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[BeatDaCavs420]

I already know how this ends...Nobody wants these guys for what Ak is asking for.

[boozapalooza]

The Bulls are 24-27. They have not won 60% of their games. We don't just get to pretend the beginning of the season didn't occur. Even with the recent improved play, the Bulls are basically bum-slaying. They have a good record against bad teams and a bad record against good teams. There is zero reason to believe this team, as currently constructed, is going anywhere in the playoffs. I'm enjoying the Coby White experience as much as anyone else, but pretending this team is actually good is pretty silly.

But you get to pretend the last 32 games (a majority of the season) didn't happen?

I'm not saying it should change your mind. But if you are debating it, you should probably explain why the last 32 games means less than the first 19 games.

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What? He didn't pretend the last 32 didn't happen, or that they mean less. YOU guys are pretending the games before that didn't matter.

They're 24-27. They all count exactly the same.

Yeah, and add in 40-42 last year. The team hadnt changed much. Nowhere near 60%.

The Bulls arent trying to remain competitive, theyre trying to remain average. The tickets will still sell.

[jnrjr79]

60% seems pretty competitive.

The Bulls are 24-27. They have not won 60% of their games. We don't just get to pretend the beginning of the season didn't occur. Even with the recent improved play, the Bulls are basically bum-slaying. They have a good record against bad teams and a bad record against good teams. There is zero reason to believe this team, as currently constructed, is going anywhere in the playoffs. I'm enjoying the Coby White experience as much as anyone else, but pretending this team is actually good is pretty silly.

But you get to pretend the last 32 games (a majority of the season) didn't happen?

I'm not saying it should change your mind. But if you are debating it, you should probably explain why the last 32 games means less than the first 19 games.

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No, I'm literally doing the exact opposite of that. I'm considering the recent stretch of play and the beginning of the season, because that's the actual reality of this season, not some cherry-picked subset of it.

Let's use this analogy. I go to Vegas for a week. Over the first two days, I lose $10,000. Over the rest of the trip, I win $9,000. When I get home, do I get to tell my wife that she should be happy because, despite the fact I lost a thousand bucks, I played really well during the final five days of my trip?

[MikeDC]

There’s absolutely evidence. Of course ownership is driving the strategy and overall goals. That is literally what ownership does. This particular ownership has a long history of establishing the direction and strategy of the team.

Agree that it doesn’t absolve anyone of anything, but c’mon.

It’s just weird. They could have kept a husk team of old Noah and old Rose as happy mascots to fill the stands, but they cut ties. The mid three is barely more viable than that but we are staunchly dedicated to them.

The Bulls have been trying to trade Zach for a year. What is weird as how committed they are to the big two. The two old guys one of whom is about to be a free agent

The main thing I'm arguing against is absolute thinking. The decision is made because of BLACK and in no part because of WHITE.

Usually, people make decisions because of multiple, overlapping reasons that all have influence.

With Rose and Noah there were some similarities but:
1. They were both huge injury risks. Maybe the similarity there is with Zach. They've been more open to trading Zach because he's a bigger injury risk.
2. Different management. Rose and Noah seemed to, in various ways, be Thibs guys. Gar, Pax, and Reinsdorf scapegoated Thibs and Gar especially really tied himself to Hoiberg.

If you want to look at this from an "institutional" perspective, what seems to get managers fired/removed by Reinsdorf is when they say they want to rebuild and then fail at it.

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[*]Krause argues for a rebuild. It fails, then he basically argues for rebuilding ad infinitum. Reinsdorf replaces him with Paxson.
[*]Paxson successfully rebuilds, but the team stalls out because Reinsdorf won't pay the LT. Paxson basically quits and Forman takes over.
[*]Forman successfully rebuilds, but then argues for another rebuild. It fails and he gets replaced with AK.
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If you are AK, what lesson do you take from this history? What I see is that Reinsdorf could likely be convinced to rebuild if you really argue for it and present him with a confident vision of what it's going to look like. But by making that argument, you are going to put yourself on the hook if things go sideways. You are taking a big risk.

On the other hand, if you don't speak up, and you just kind of keep shuffling, and don't get any grand ideas in your head of drafting a team full of 18 year old kids (Krause) or paying the luxury tax (Paxson) or hiring your college buddy and taking credit for everything (Forman), then you aren't risking yourself much.

[burlydee]

Over the past month of bulls games I haven't seen a player on another team that could score as smoothly as DDR other than Durant in that final 2 quarters of that game. That's meaningful.

Watch more basketball.

The league is terrible. Too much scoring and iso ball. Too many games. It's a terrible product with a juvenile immature fan base.

Lol. What?

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[burlydee]

I already know how this ends...Nobody wants these guys for what Ak is asking for.

Bc his asks are ridiculous. He doesn't have any vision. The assumption is guys like thos gets jobs because they are very smart about team building. With AK, that is clearly not the case.

[burlydee]

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Embarrassing for the Bulls. Complete mismanagement.

[yifsuibfe1]

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I am seriously ready to punch a wall right now. What is wrong with this organization?

[MissileMike]

If (and that is an if) you can get two FRP for Caruso, you have to do it. I love AC just like everyone else. But come on.

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[Hangtime84]

I already know how this ends...Nobody wants these guys for what Ak is asking for.

Bc his asks are ridiculous. He doesn't have any vision. The assumption is guys like thos gets jobs because they are very smart about team building. With AK, that is clearly not the case.

He got ***** on past major trades trying to do some ***** himself. He have learned from Danny always do the *****

[Guru]

Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.

[burlydee]

Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.

Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.

[Stratmaster]

I seriously can't believe we're debating on keeping this things together over a mild hot streak

Who said anything about keeping things as is?

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[Stratmaster]

What? He didn't pretend the last 32 didn't happen, or that they mean less. YOU guys are pretending the games before that didn't matter.

They're 24-27. They all count exactly the same.

Do they? Would you rather have a team that gets in the playoffs who started the season 10-20 but ended it 22-8? Or the other way around?

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It makes no difference. And it's moot anyways, because you're delusional if you think this team is doing anything whatsoever in the playoffs.

Seriously, I can't believe we're still debating about this team that has been broken for multiple seasons now.

What do you think you are debating?

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[TheSuzerain]

They really aren't though.

Really unbalanced selections too as the fit is awful.

BPA is never a bad strategy, especially picking that high. Those are all good picks in isolation. Those are all good young promising players, poor fit or not. Any one of them would be our most promising young player besides Coby.

Agreed. They would have been crazy to give up any of Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Duren for Lavine. We wouldve been ecstatic. Cade is a better asset than anyone on our team. Once they bring in a vet leader they should be decent down the road. Their roster has have a higher ceiling than ours.

Cade is a terrible asset.

Doomed to get vastly overpaid.

[WestsideResider]

Waiting for the yearly “Bulls are expected to stand pat”tweet a half hour before the deadline

[Guru]

Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.

Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.

He is the perfect compliment to White, he forces everyone on the team to play hard, he is one of the best defenders in the league.

What would you consider an overpay and why would the Bulls have to do that?

[BeatDaCavs420]

I already know how this ends...Nobody wants these guys for what Ak is asking for.

Bc his asks are ridiculous. He doesn't have any vision. The assumption is guys like thos gets jobs because they are very smart about team building. With AK, that is clearly not the case.

Because his vision is still stuck on that run this team had when Ball was healthy..He can't shake it lol