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[ImSlower]

It would have been a lot better if the refs received FanDuels or BetMGM patches.

[GoBlue72391]

Of the top 10 teams in the East, here are their records over the past 10 games:

Bucks (#3) 5-5
76ers (#5) 3-7
Pacers (#6) 5-5
Heat (#7) 4-6
Magic (8) 5-5
Bulls (9) 5-5
Hawks (10). 4-6

So you're saying the Bulls don't have the chance to move up in this crowd? Really?

They clearly can move up in the standings, but what is the end result? Getting knocked out by Milwaukee in Round 1?

The end result is significant playoff experience for the young guys on the team. Maybe even winning a series.

We don't have any notable young players besides Coby, so the "Our young guys need playoff experience" argument doesn't carry any weight.

[cubd8]

Question for those more educated on the Bulls cap position/off-season.

If they let DeMar walk, maybe trade Drummond, etc.

Are the Bulls in position to make any meaningful free agent splashes? Do they have a 1st round pick?

[MikeDC]

Yep. Caruso doesn't impact games at a high-enough level that he's going to change our fortunes much. Will we be a little worse in the short-run? Yeah. But not a lot.

Why? We're a lot better placed to lose Caruso than pretty much anyone else. If he's gone, what happens? We have more Ayo, more Pat, and more Craig. All solid options.

The return we get from trading Caruso is the highest of anyone we could likely trade. And the downside, in terms of actual impact on the court, is actually pretty low, because we've got more credible options to soak up those minutes.

• Lose Caruso, and we can fill in with Ayo, Pat, Craig, etc. Not as good, but still good enough to win games.
• Lose Drummond, and we fill in with ??? Nobody else on the team can do that. Maybe we can go out and get a guy for cheapish though.
• Lose DeRozan, and and we fill in with ??? Again... we have nobody else who actually does what he does at anything close to the same level. Guys like that aren't available. Doesn't mean we shouldn't consider trading him (we should) but the point I'm making is that Caruso is much more expendable.

In his first two seasons with the Bulls Caruso's on/off differential put him in the 90th and 94th percentile. What do you mean he doesn't impact games enough?

How much more impact could someone want?

It's an absurd argument to make. Caruso is about as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous.

It's not even an argument. It's just word salad. What does it actually mean to say a guy is "as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be".

Well, it means the guy is a non-star.

That's the bottom line.

And teams are dying to give at least two first round picks (which implies someone will give more) for a non-star.

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

[FriedRise]

Drummond news!

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[ChiefILL53]

Drummond news!

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what was the gesture? A middle finger?

[GoBlue72391]

LOL. I watch all the games. And it's evident that Caruso is the most replaceable guy we can trade. Ayo, Pat, and Craig can all play more and approximate his production.

Ayo and Pat? Replace Caruso. Stop it.

Stop pretending to respond without seriously engaging the discussion. There's no point to your guys' dissembling responses.

No, I have (and everyone else, I think) would acknowledge that Caruso is better. But Ayo and Pat are good defenders and young developing players.

Getting better doesn't happen through risk-free magical thinking. The only way for the Bulls to improve is to get younger and get more assets. Buy low and sell high. The presence of these younger guys makes it relatively possible to sell high on Caruso. That's the kind of move the Bulls need to make.

The emotional thought process that you guys take leads to the opposite. Instead of selling high, you wait too long and hold on to these guys too long, and then you end up selling low and continuing the long descent through mediocrity that the Bulls are on.

You guys pretend to not be cool with that, but you're too scared to do anything about it. Good way to understand AKME.

Most people are more than fine with selling high on Caruso for multiple 1st rounders, while at the same time acknowledging that he's an extremely impactful role player

I think Caruso is as good as a non-star player can get and I love watching him and would hate to see him go, yet I would drive him to the airport if trading him meant multiple 1sts in return. That's a no-brainer trade for a non-contending team like us.

Quit acting like people defending Caruso against your disrespect of him are universally opposed to trading him.

[Wingy]

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

Put this on repeat.

Today is the day I take a good long hiatus from the Bulls. Saying ‘permanent’ is too dramatic, but man I can’t spend anymore energy or time with this crap.

Plenty of other entertainment options, and stuff to do in life.

[BigUps]

2.5 hours left to completely solidify ourselves in NBA medicority. How exciting!

[Dominator83]

Dallas getting Gafford for cheap because the Bulls wanted too much for Drummond. Never change AK

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

Put this on repeat.

Today is the day I take a good long hiatus from the Bulls. Saying ‘permanent’ is too dramatic, but man I can’t spend anymore energy or time with this crap.

Plenty of other entertainment options, and stuff to do in life.

You’ll have plenty of company I bet.

[GoBlue72391]

In his first two seasons with the Bulls Caruso's on/off differential put him in the 90th and 94th percentile. What do you mean he doesn't impact games enough?

How much more impact could someone want?

It's an absurd argument to make. Caruso is about as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous.

It's not even an argument. It's just word salad. What does it actually mean to say a guy is "as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be".

Well, it means the guy is a non-star.

That's the bottom line.

And teams are dying to give at least two first round picks (which implies someone will give more) for a non-star.

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

You're a clown for assuming that because I'm defending Caruso against "He's the most easily replaceable trade asset on the team" means I'm opposed to trading him.

Newsflash: I would take multiple 1sts for him in a heartbeat.

[Stratmaster]

In terms of their fate in the playoffs, what do you think the best case, realistic outcome is for the Bulls this year?

Best case? Win a playoff series. Prediction? Lose a playoff series. Worst case? Lose in the play in.

But it doesn't matter. The trades available are either good and help the team, or they aren't.

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It matters greatly. If you think making the second round is the ceiling (which seems implausible - I can't see them beating anyone they'd be playing in the first round, but whatever), then you have to pick a lane here because DeRozan is expiring and Zach wants out. There are multiple reports today that the Bulls are rebuffing offers for DeRozan. Why? What is the plan with him moving forward? If the Bulls really think they can compete now, they need to be trying to improve the roster. If they conclude (rightly, IMO), that this team is on a treadmill and there's not an immediate path to substantial improvement, then they need to get some assets for these guys that won't be here long-term.

The worst thing the Bulls can do is just ride out the string, let DeRozan walk (or sign him to an unwise extension), let Drummond hit free agency, etc. That's the guaranteed path to mediocrity without assets allowing them to reload for the next generation of the team.

I've been literally begging for them to trade DDR for over a year.

But what offers have you seen reported that the Bulls have refused?

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[prolific passer]

2.5 hours left to completely solidify ourselves in NBA medicority. How exciting!

Continuity!!!!!

[2weekswithpay]

Question for those more educated on the Bulls cap position/off-season.

If they let DeMar walk, maybe trade Drummond, etc.

Are the Bulls in position to make any meaningful free agent splashes? Do they have a 1st round pick?

They do have a pick this summer. The team isn't in position to make any meaningful signings this summer though. Extend Pat, get a new backup and probably another wing.

[GoBlue72391]

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

Put this on repeat.

Today is the day I take a good long hiatus from the Bulls. Saying ‘permanent’ is too dramatic, but man I can’t spend anymore energy or time with this crap.

Plenty of other entertainment options, and stuff to do in life.

He's arguing against himself. Only a handful of people wouldn't trade Caruso for multiple 1st-round picks (and AKME is likely among that handful).

[Dominator83]

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

Put this on repeat.

Today is the day I take a good long hiatus from the Bulls. Saying ‘permanent’ is too dramatic, but man I can’t spend anymore energy or time with this crap.

Plenty of other entertainment options, and stuff to do in life.

He's arguing against himself. Only a handful of people wouldn't trade Caruso for multiple 1st-round picks.

Only 2 people. AK and ME

[FriedRise]

Drummond news!

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what was the gesture? A middle finger?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WgxuCHo5XYA

[madvillian]

Are AKME just lazy?

[MikeDC]

My "disrespect" of him? C'mon my man. You don't even actually disagree with the point I'm making. I respect him plenty and you are not giving my responses a sensible reading if you think otherwise.

I just don't think we need to spend a lot of time waxing poetic. If he's an "extremely impactful role player" is not "disrespectful" then "he's a role player" isn't either.

On the other hand, calling the guy "extremely impactful" and leaving out the "role player" part... well, that's not very respectful to the guys who really are stars. If that's what "respect" means, then you're "disrespectful" of whatever star you might think of is a great star to equate him with a role player like Caruso.

Like tic-tac-toe and Global Thermonuclear War, the only way to win is not to play.