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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1561 » by Archx » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:40 pm

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Archx wrote:Mavs got two 2nd's that will be used for Gafford apparently.


They have got FRP from Thunder. :o I'm very afraid now.


Not sure, some confusing reports. Apparently they got 2nds back in PJ trade. So basically Grant, Seth, 1st protected for Pj and two 2nd's.

But like i said, i could be wrong on this one. Still, they somehow got them.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1562 » by daoneandonly » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:48 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:Man i was set to go on a ski trip with my friends from church tomorrow, this has ruined my weekend plans. So frustrated right now. Giving up a barely protected first for PJ instead of trading Green.

Just admit he was a terrible draft pick already


How would trading Green for PJ improve Mavs playoff options? My friend, you have to think the other way around, Mavs don't care about anything else but to compete. They're not stacking up trade/draft capital, instead they're looking to keep players that worked out and get rid of everything else.

They basically traded dead weight and got back two potential starters and with this, bench also got stronger. If it works out Nico will look like genius, if not, Luka walks :D


That if not is pretty scary Arch my friend, especially without the picks now. I still believe Green is addition by subtraction. The guy just makes too many stupid decisions. The only justifiable reason to keep him is if Luka and Kyrie went to the FO after hearing the rumors and asked that he stay with the team.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1563 » by ejs78 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:50 pm

This will go over like a lead balloon Im sure.

The Pistons released Hayes who the Mavs had interest in this summer in a Timmy/Bogi deal. His defense is there and can handle the ball. No clue when or how much Exum can play and we know he'll get more open looks.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1564 » by tribulations » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:52 pm

Guess I'm the only one who liked the moves? Obviously better to not give up FRPs but certainly prefer the trades to standing pat, wasting another season, and pinning hopes on draft/free agency
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1565 » by Archx » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:53 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:Man i was set to go on a ski trip with my friends from church tomorrow, this has ruined my weekend plans. So frustrated right now. Giving up a barely protected first for PJ instead of trading Green.

Just admit he was a terrible draft pick already


How would trading Green for PJ improve Mavs playoff options? My friend, you have to think the other way around, Mavs don't care about anything else but to compete. They're not stacking up trade/draft capital, instead they're looking to keep players that worked out and get rid of everything else.

They basically traded dead weight and got back two potential starters and with this, bench also got stronger. If it works out Nico will look like genius, if not, Luka walks :D


That if not is pretty scary Arch my friend, especially without the picks now. I still believe Green is addition by subtraction. The guy just makes too many stupid decisions. The only justifiable reason to keep him is if Luka and Kyrie went to the FO after hearing the rumors and asked that he stay with the team.


They'll probably look at it in the off season and explore what they can do with Hardy and Green. Also, who would you rather see guarding opposing better players and do the dirty work. THJ or Green? If you get rid of Green and you don't get a small athletic wing back in return, you're basically stuck with Hardy/THJ and you just screw yourself. Exum could potentially be THAT guy but i'm not sure if his knees won't give up at some point again.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1566 » by AJace » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:54 pm

Very happy with the moves. Gafford and PJ were two guys I wanted Dallas to add during the offseason. Added a lot of size and our bigs rotation is looking really solid now. Don't care about the picks. Boston hasn't had a 1st round pick for like 4 years now. It's all about going all in now. As somebody said, we can get a gazillion picks if all these blow up and Luka and Kyrie ask to be moved.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1567 » by daoneandonly » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:55 pm

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How would trading Green for PJ improve Mavs playoff options? My friend, you have to think the other way around, Mavs don't care about anything else but to compete. They're not stacking up trade/draft capital, instead they're looking to keep players that worked out and get rid of everything else.

They basically traded dead weight and got back two potential starters and with this, bench also got stronger. If it works out Nico will look like genius, if not, Luka walks :D


That if not is pretty scary Arch my friend, especially without the picks now. I still believe Green is addition by subtraction. The guy just makes too many stupid decisions. The only justifiable reason to keep him is if Luka and Kyrie went to the FO after hearing the rumors and asked that he stay with the team.


They'll probably look at it in the off season and explore what they can do with Hardy and Green. Also, who would you rather see guarding opposing better players and do the dirty work. THJ or Green? If you get rid of Green and you don't get a small athletic wing back in return, you're basically stuck with Hardy/THJ and you just screw yourself. Exum could potentially be THAT guy but i'm not sure if his knees won't give up at some point again.


Well I'd actually see WIlliams guard them than Green, especially if Green didnt require a first as well.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1568 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:55 pm

Mavs optimistic they'll get the pick to get the Gafford trade done... it's taking too Long,my optimism is starting to fade....this trade needs to be confirmed as soon as possible
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1569 » by Teffer10 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:55 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:I'm not too upset with the draft picks.
They can probably get one or two back in a Gafford offseason trade if they want.
This was a PO strategic move for this season.

Gaff is too good to be a long-term backup so I see them moving him in off season along with Hardaway for an upgrade.
A more suitable backup center should be easy to aquire in the off season.


If things don't work out they can trade Luka eventually and get all first back. :D

That is obviously their thinking in making these moves.
They're throwing everything at winning now in hopes of keeping Luka.
That strategy started when they traded for Kyrie and now they are married to it.

Wouldn't be surprised if the whole team gets completely blown up this off season because it is a scary thought on how much this whole thing is riding on Kyrie.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1570 » by ejs78 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:56 pm

tribulations wrote:Guess I'm the only one who liked the moves? Obviously better to not give up FRPs but certainly prefer the trades to standing pat, wasting another season, and pinning hopes on draft/free agency


The moves were fine and not everyone is going to be happy.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1571 » by dirkules_41 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:57 pm

tribulations wrote:Guess I'm the only one who liked the moves? Obviously better to not give up FRPs but certainly prefer the trades to standing pat, wasting another season, and pinning hopes on draft/free agency

Love them, exactly what this team needed. Bargain bin isn't open anymore these days and the value is solid. They both address some of our major issues and losing Williams and Seth is not very impactful.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1572 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:59 pm

ejs78 wrote:
tribulations wrote:Guess I'm the only one who liked the moves? Obviously better to not give up FRPs but certainly prefer the trades to standing pat, wasting another season, and pinning hopes on draft/free agency


The moves were fine and not everyone is going to be happy.


Is Gafford confirmed? Getting both might make sense but getting only PJ wouldn't.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1573 » by Mavrelous » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:00 pm

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tribulations wrote:Guess I'm the only one who liked the moves? Obviously better to not give up FRPs but certainly prefer the trades to standing pat, wasting another season, and pinning hopes on draft/free agency

Love them, exactly what this team needed. Bargain bin isn't open anymore these days and the value is solid. They both address some of our major issues and losing Williams and Seth is not very impactful.

The moves are good, both needs filled, but the sour taste is that if it wasn't for the this offseason mistakes, it would've been much cheaper.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1574 » by Forbes » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:02 pm

I’m cool with Gafford and PJ, don’t mind losing the pick. We got 3 years l to gain another pick in that draft specifically.

We now have another player that can score a little on their own. Atleast ways more than Grant whose offense was straight trash and defense heavily overrated.

Gafford a good pick up, still young, mobile, rebounds, and blocks shots. Coming to a team that isn’t as much of a mess like his previous. Almost like having 48 minutes of Lively potentially.

The key to me was just actually becoming more talented. We straight lacked talent. Still have THJ, Green, Hardy who are all tradeable pieces in the offseason. The second half of the season should be better than the first.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1575 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:02 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
tribulations wrote:Guess I'm the only one who liked the moves? Obviously better to not give up FRPs but certainly prefer the trades to standing pat, wasting another season, and pinning hopes on draft/free agency


The moves were fine and not everyone is going to be happy.


Is Gafford confirmed? Getting both might make sense but getting only PJ wouldn't.


Yeah, that's what concerns me...so far I've read that the Mavs are optimistic the trade will go thru
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1576 » by Teffer10 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:04 pm

AJace wrote:Very happy with the moves. Gafford and PJ were two guys I wanted Dallas to add during the offseason. Added a lot of size and our bigs rotation is looking really solid now. Don't care about the picks. Boston hasn't had a 1st round pick for like 4 years now. It's all about going all in now. As somebody said, we can get a gazillion picks if all these blow up and Luka and Kyrie ask to be moved.

Agree with everything but the last part.
If this thing blows up in our face, we'll need picks just to get rid of Kyrie.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1577 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:06 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
AJace wrote:Very happy with the moves. Gafford and PJ were two guys I wanted Dallas to add during the offseason. Added a lot of size and our bigs rotation is looking really solid now. Don't care about the picks. Boston hasn't had a 1st round pick for like 4 years now. It's all about going all in now. As somebody said, we can get a gazillion picks if all these blow up and Luka and Kyrie ask to be moved.

Agree with everything but the last part.
If this thing blows up in our face, we'll need picks just to get rid of Kyrie.


The Lakers will be eager to offer two first for him in the summer,if he stays on the same good behavior
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1578 » by tleikheen » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:07 pm

One thing can be said , the guys who take Luka for granted ,he'll be ok to not make the playoffs this year for " a big trade this summer" LOSE OUT! Mavs send a big message to Luka they want to win this year !!!
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1579 » by Archx » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:07 pm

Forbes wrote:The key to me was just actually becoming more talented. We straight lacked talent. Still have THJ, Green, Hardy who are all tradeable pieces in the offseason. The second half of the season should be better than the first.



Mavs have 6 players 25yo or younger with Luka.

Lively, Green, Hardy, Omax, PJ Washington, Gafford, Luka.... They got younger and more talented.

But like i said, they can still do moves in the off season and upgrade more.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#1580 » by Forbes » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:11 pm

tleikheen wrote:One thing can be said , the guys who take Luka for granted ,he'll be ok to not make the playoffs this year for " a big trade this summer" LOSE OUT! Mavs send a big message to Luka they want to win this year !!!



This is the Key, we literally need to make sure we are acquiring talent. Draft picks are cool but truly not hard to get if you keep acquiring talent that other teams may want if it doesn’t work out.

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