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[Dominator83]

Everybody's view of the big picture is different. AKME made like 5 trades in the first year, completely rebuilding the team. Most of the current Bulls have been here 3 years or less. Trading away anybody other than Zach or Coby means he's trading a player THEY picked, and after just a few years. We just had a rebuild that was looking good till it fell of the cliff with the Lonzo injury. I think we were at the ceiling of a team without a top 10 player or two. The guys we're mostly talking about trading now, Caruso and Drummond, he JUST added them, and cheaply too. Not to say he won't do it for a great offer, but he SHOULD demand a great offer for those guys, they're great players in their way. But with a completely rebuilt team, doesn't it make sense he hasn't done trades the last couple years, especially with Lonzo's playing status continually in the air?

Drummond should be moved if Philly is willing to part with even a late 1st. I like Drummond but most nights he's lucky to see 15 minutes

Why? Philly is in free fall mode without Embiid. Heck, we actually have a chance to leapfrog them in the standings. Might as well keep him and see if the twin towers does something. And if not, you have a great backup 5.

Leapfrog them where? To the play-in game?

[_txchilibowl_]

Exactly. We don't know what's out there, so it's illogical to ask "What trades would you have made?" How should I know?

Just as it's illogical to say " We should be making TRADES! ALL THE TRADES!".

Except nobody said that.

Essentially you are. You complain about the lack of trades with no regard or understanding of what was available.

That is illogical.

[Andi Obst]

Buyout market season - we have been at 14 players all year. Though not clear at all if any worthwhile forwards will get waived. If he became available I'd give Yuta Wantanabe a look. Unexciting I know - but knockdown shooter with size.

There are like 2 good buyout players every season. This is not a plan, especially when your team doesn't have a chance to win it all.

[Stratmaster]

Multiple 1sts for a role player, though an elite role player, is tremendous value.

Meh... all firsts aren't created equal. Two late first rounders mean you likely got an end of the rotation player for him.

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But that's a lot better than losing him for nothing, which is the likely alternative.

A lot can happen between now and then. May very well be able to re-sign him...or sign and trade etc.

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[_txchilibowl_]

Meh... all firsts aren't created equal. Two late first rounders mean you likely got an end of the rotation player for him.

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But that's a lot better than losing him for nothing, which is the likely alternative.

A lot can happen between now and then. May very well be able to re-sign him...or sign and trade etc.

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Exactly right. But we should all get really mad as if we know what'll happen.

[MikeDC]

It's an absurd argument to make. Caruso is about as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be. To argue otherwise is just ridiculous.

It's not even an argument. It's just word salad. What does it actually mean to say a guy is "as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be".

Well, it means the guy is a non-star.

That's the bottom line.

And teams are dying to give at least two first round picks (which implies someone will give more) for a non-star.

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

Sure. Why not. But he isn't the most easily replaceable player. Ayo and Craig you say? ROFL

Well, he literally is. We have other guys that can (and do) capably fill the role he fills.
We don't have guys that can capably fill other roles.

This is mostly about you being bad at talent evaluation.

A few months ago, you specifically would have said (and I'm pretty sure you did say) the Bulls would have fallen off a cliff if Zach LaVine disappeared and you had to replace his production with Coby.

Well, LaVine effectively disappeared and we replaced his production with Coby stepping up. I would still say that LaVine is (if healthy) a better player, but the actual on-court impact in terms of wins is pretty negligible. We were a mediocre team with Zach, and we're a similarly mediocre team with Coby.

This is just the common sense understanding of what replaceable means. If we replace A with B, what happens? If the answer is nothing much, then A is replaceable with B.

If we were to trade Caruso, the resulting change would be basically similar to when we "replaced" Zach with Coby. Maybe worse, but much less worse than you would have predicted.

Because Ayo and Pat have the capacity to step up and fill that role. Just like Coby did.

[Guru]

But that's a lot better than losing him for nothing, which is the likely alternative.

A lot can happen between now and then. May very well be able to re-sign him...or sign and trade etc.

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Exactly right. But we should all get really mad as if we know what'll happen.

If they liked him enough not to trade him for 2 firsts why wouldn't they re-sign him?

[_txchilibowl_]

A lot can happen between now and then. May very well be able to re-sign him...or sign and trade etc.

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Exactly right. But we should all get really mad as if we know what'll happen.

If they liked him enough not to trade him for 2 firsts why wouldn't they re-sign him?

Or maybe he'd actually like to stay....the Bulls are building a player positive culture. Continuity for the win (for real).

[Guru]

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It’s impossible to play this game without knowing what’s actually available, but the Bulls are headed for the third straight trade deadline without a trade. Think about that for a sec. For three straight years, our front office has concluded that no one on the trade market is good enough for a player on our roster.

Adding Thompson and Beverly off the buyout market isn’t good enough.

Are other teams not trading at the trading deadline?

This is beyond disingenuous.

Has every team traded the last 3 years?

[Indomitable]

I miss John Paxson.

Well Paxson didn't make any deadline moves either. At least not to make us better.

What I can say is he is willing to move a player when he isnt going to resign him for the money he wants. I would say he would have 100% traded Zach before his max contract though.

That’s my point, and Paxson himself had major flaws as a GM, but AK is just on a different level.

He got his new job, did some work the first year or so, and since then he has basically been doing jack all, getting paid to basically sit back and watch this team whither away into no man’s land.

We have no assets

[TheSuzerain]

It's not even an argument. It's just word salad. What does it actually mean to say a guy is "as impactful and important as a non-star player can possibly be".

Well, it means the guy is a non-star.

That's the bottom line.

And teams are dying to give at least two first round picks (which implies someone will give more) for a non-star.

This isn't rocket science guys. If someone offers two 1sts (or more!) for a guy who you accept isn't a star on your dead-end team, you **** do it!

Sure. Why not. But he isn't the most easily replaceable player. Ayo and Craig you say? ROFL

Well, he literally is. We have other guys that can (and do) capably fill the role he fills.
We don't have guys that can capably fill other roles.

This is mostly about you being bad at talent evaluation.

A few months ago, you specifically would have said (and I'm pretty sure you did say) the Bulls would have fallen off a cliff if Zach LaVine disappeared and you had to replace his production with Coby.

Well, LaVine effectively disappeared and we replaced his production with Coby stepping up. I would still say that LaVine is (if healthy) a better player, but the actual on-court impact in terms of wins is pretty negligible. We were a mediocre team with Zach, and we're a similarly mediocre team with Coby.

This is just the common sense understanding of what replaceable means. If we replace A with B, what happens? If the answer is nothing much, then A is replaceable with B.

If we were to trade Caruso, the resulting change would be basically similar to when we "replaced" Zach with Coby. Maybe worse, but much less worse than you would have predicted.

Because Ayo and Pat have the capacity to step up and fill that role. Just like Coby did.

Caruso is not easily replaceable at all imo.

We should still potentially trade him because of his age and we're just not going to contend while he's under contract here.

But the list of NBA players where you'd say "I want them on the floor with 5 minutes left in a Game 7" is extremely short, and he's on it. Not really convinced we have a single other player on that list tbh.

[GoBlue72391]

Just as it's illogical to say " We should be making TRADES! ALL THE TRADES!".

Except nobody said that.

Essentially you are. You complain about the lack of trades with no regard or understanding of what was available.

That is illogical.

There haven't even been any rumors that we're making calls to upgrade the roster.

[GoBlue72391]

A lot can happen between now and then. May very well be able to re-sign him...or sign and trade etc.

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Exactly right. But we should all get really mad as if we know what'll happen.

If they liked him enough not to trade him for 2 firsts why wouldn't they re-sign him?

Because they won't go into the luxury tax.

[burlydee]

Are the Bulls going to make the 2nd round of the playoffs?

[_txchilibowl_]

Are the Bulls going to make the 2nd round of the playoffs?

2024 NBA Champions

[Guru]

Except nobody said that.

Essentially you are. You complain about the lack of trades with no regard or understanding of what was available.

That is illogical.

There haven't even been any rumors that we're making calls to upgrade the roster.

We were talking to the sixers about Drummond and had other irons in the fire.

[HoopsterJones]

Are the Bulls going to make the 2nd round of the playoffs?

2nd round of the playin maybe.

[2weekswithpay]

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The Bulls most certainly could've gotten some good 2nds for Derozan.

[Guru]

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The Bulls most certainly could've gotten some good 2nds for Derozan.

Yes

[League Circles]

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The Bulls most certainly could've gotten some good 2nds for Derozan.

Good thing we won't do anything that silly. Extremely high chance they wouldn't be worth anything, especially because they probably wouldn't get a chance to play.

Just say no to meh draft picks!