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Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only 

Post#801 » by _txchilibowl_ » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:48 pm

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SfBull wrote:Dalen Terry is just a bust .The Bulls could have used a package with DeMar and Pat for trading.
Now we got nothing.



That's kind of my point. These are the type of players you would normally acquire with late first round picks. Which is why Caruso is so much more valuable than those kinds of draft picks.


I get keeping Caruso for the right price but then why not even trade Drummond for a couple 2nds? Or Torrey Craig for a 2nd? DeMar is good but does he fit your timeline to re-sign him? What about Vucevic?



Apparently they value trying to make the playoffs this year more than those draft picks. Considering the quality of those draft picks I would agree.
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Post#802 » by drosestruts » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:48 pm

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drosestruts wrote:I think an overlooked thing is that the perception of the Bulls online and in the media - doesn't seem to align with the perception of the Bulls amongst NBA players.

When Boylen was the coach we legit had other teams laughing at us, on camera during games.

Part of the Vuc, and especially DeRozan signings were about rehabilitating the image of the Bulls amongst NBA players. I think that has clearly been accomplished.

I don't care if Brian Windhorst thinks we're cool, or Duck (sorry to use you as an example Duck - you were the first poster that popped into mind).

I'll take Torrey Craig and Andre Drummonds seal of approval - two solid veteran NBA players that chose Chicago over multiple options - over the seal of approval from Ricky O'Donnel or some other blogger/podcaster who's finances are tied to clicks and listens (and we all know nothing sells like outrage - look at any news channel).

DeRozan sounds like a guy who wants to be here. Not a guy who's looking to run away as soon as the season is over. That's a BIG chance in the past three years.

Building up all this good will then throwing it away for a late first or some future distant seconds would have been stupid.

You want to understand AK - just look at the Nuggets.

From 2013-14 to 2017-18 they don't make the playoffs, and never win less than 30 games in a season.

2018-19: lost in the 2nd round
2019-20: lost in the conference finals
2020-21: lost in the 2nd round
2021-22: lost in the 1st round
2022-23: NBA Champions

This message board - without a doubt would be screaming for the team to blow it up after a first round exit in 2022. Posters left and right would be claiming the WCF run was a Bubble Fluke and that the team is regressing. Or that Murray and Porter are too injury proned.

This board is called RealGM - so I understand it might oversatuate in people who fancy themselves armchair General Managers. Making deals is fun - Daryl Morrey can't help himself (also never won anything). Morrey made trades for future 2nd today that directly help competing Eastern Conference teams. Those future 2nds will most likely never contribute anything of value for Morrey or the 76ers. But hey - TRADES!!

This Bulls team gets along with eachother, plays hard, and does have a number of emerging talents in Coby, Ayo, and yes even Patrick Williams (though no, I don't think he signs for $20mm in AAV)

The Bulls - after a disasterous start to the season have won 60% of their games over a 2+ month period.

Last year we won 60% of our games after the trade deadline and everyone says it doesn't count because it was in the last quarter of the season.

This year we win 60% of our games in December and January, and again nothing but excuses dismissing it.

This is a talented team. When you look at lineup data you always see that this team plays better with one of DeRozan or LaVine but not both. Well - now we get to test that our with some long-term data.

For you naysayers and malcontents - what level of success gets you to admit you were wrong and it was better to keep this team together?

A push to the 6th seed
A competitive 1st round playoff series
A first round playoff series victory
A competitive 2nd round playoff series

or does nothing the Bulls could accomplish this season make you think this is a team worth keeping together?


If the bulls don't have a top 10 star and are not competing for a championship.....it's time to blow it up....As if all the pieces alive at once and there is no building.


those are VERY high standards. It must be frustrating for you to follow any sports team outside of like being a New Zealand rugby fan or something.
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Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only 

Post#803 » by Up-And-Coming » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:49 pm

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That's kind of my point. These are the type of players you would normally acquire with late first round picks. Which is why Caruso is so much more valuable than those kinds of draft picks.


I get keeping Caruso for the right price but then why not even trade Drummond for a couple 2nds? Or Torrey Craig for a 2nd? DeMar is good but does he fit your timeline to re-sign him? What about Vucevic?


Because 2nds are worthless.

You don't trade a player you have for the hope that you get lucky and that draft pick becomes the player you traded.


I disagree on 2nds being worthless. I'm sure all the teams will gladly take your 2nds if they could. I guess it looks like the hope and goal is to re-sign Drummond and DeRozan and run it back for the most part
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Post#804 » by LateNight » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:50 pm

One day we’ll have a fun team again
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Post#805 » by _txchilibowl_ » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:50 pm

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Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.



You could have just replied to me. I'm a big boy. I can handle it.

We just see basketball differently my friend. I am far from a championship or bust kind of guy. And I definitely don't think that being bad is the only way to get good. I'm team continuity. I want to establish a winning identity. I want people to say Bulls Culture the way they say Heat Culture. You, and apparently many others, would rather just take their chances with the lottery.

I'd like to make the playoffs this year. What a terrible take.


For the last 26 years, we've basically been more like Atlanta Hawks Culture or maybe Utah jazz culture. Mired in endless mediocrity.



Which is why I'm so interested in them trying to change that narrative. We go right back to Atlanta Hawks Culture the second we start trading our vets for middleing draft picks. Just my opinion...
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Post#806 » by Dengness9 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:52 pm

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My wife and I had an argument. Avoid interacting with her at all costs.

My kid got a C+ in math. Congratulate him for being competitive and in the thick of it.



Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.



You could have just replied to me. I'm a big boy. I can handle it.

We just see basketball differently my friend. I am far from a championship or bust kind of guy. And I definitely don't think that being bad is the only way to get good. I'm team continuity. I want to establish a winning identity. I want people to say Bulls Culture the way they say Heat Culture. You, and apparently many others, would rather just take their chances with the lottery.

I'd like to make the playoffs this year. What a terrible take.



To be clear, I wasn’t trying to not reply to you. Both posts were included for a reason. I know I sound like a jerk. I’m just fed up with Chicago fans accepting mediocrity or worse.

Team continuity? Bro, this continuity is resulting in nothingness. The culture isn’t being developed, and a lot of the guys you want to build this culture and continuity won’t be here long enough to see that through.

You want to see the Bulls make the playoffs…we all do! But that isn’t what is happening at all is it? We are hoping to make the play in currently…AGAIN. I can agree with Zach out of the way, the team can finish the year playing hard and competing…it’s just painfully obvious that this team has a seriously limited ceiling.

It doesn’t have to be about “taking chances” with the lottery. Eventually you have to wave the white flag. You have to take a direction one way or another. They just stand pat and say the same ****. The team hasn’t succeeded in growing young players nearly well enough. The only reason we’ve seen Coby emerge is bc the 250 million dollar man they signed is hurt and out of the way!

Watch Demar and Dre walk for NOTHING in off season after Bulls are once again unceremoniously bounced from playin or first round.

Eventually you’ll see what this bull continuity will further result in as if we haven’t had enough proof yet.

For the record, I hope I’m dead wrong but I don’t expect to be.

Honestly funny to bring up Bulls working towards a culture that the Heat have. Look at their culture….MAKING MOVES LEFT AND RIGHT EVERY YEAR!!!! Cmon man.
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Post#807 » by Guru » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:53 pm

LateNight wrote:One day we’ll have a fun team again


This team is ridiculously fun. I get the arguments that they have a ceiling...but there is no argument that they are not fun.
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Post#808 » by yifsuibfe1 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:53 pm

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Post#809 » by LateNight » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:54 pm

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LateNight wrote:One day we’ll have a fun team again


This team is ridiculously fun. I get the arguments that they have a ceiling...but there is no argument that they are not fun.


I like a lot of the people on this team. I have fun watching some of the games.

It will get better when 60m of cap isn’t tied up in players we can’t play
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Post#810 » by DropStep » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:54 pm

Dan Z wrote:The Bulls did nothing at the deadline (no surprise). Does anyone think they'll pick up a waved player? I have my doubt, but even if they do someone like Kyle Lowry won't change this team too much.


Maybe that Lonzo disabled player exception could actually be useful. I'm trying to figure out how the perpetually-disrespected Spencer Dinwiddie would look here. If AKME are trying to win, and they are, he's somebody that might help, and he's only 6'-5", which is under AK's maximum size requirement. If we're going youth movement, he takes away minutes from Coby and Ayo, but that doesn't seem to be a concern for them.
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Post#811 » by Guru » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:57 pm

If the bulls couldn't find a suitor for DDR, it makes more sense based on the cap to pay him and then maybe trade him later then to let him walk. We don't get that cap space if he leaves.....I think anyway.
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Post#812 » by Muzbar » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:57 pm

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You see no value and having respected veterans mentor a young player? If you turn the team into a loser, guess what, you develop losers.

Did I say that? You know respected vets come in all different shapes and sizes? Many players give Derrick Rose credit for his mentorship and he has barely played in recent years.

I didn't say trade ALL the veterans, you're being overly dramatic.

The team isn't exactly what I'd call a winning team right now.



Your side stepping my point. If you trade the vets with value (DDR, Vuc, AC) this team goes in the tank. It's human nature to give up on a team when your team gives up on you. Maybe the young guys could rise above that but I don't want to take that chance.

Again, I never said to trade all the vets of value, you could have traded atleast one whilst still getting a vet back and some future assets.

How exactly is a team giving up on a player by trading a vet that isn't them and then handing them the keys and tell them to lead the way, that feels like the complete opposite to me.

So you're saying if someone gives up on you then what's the point in carrying on because your value in yourself is tied to what others believe, despite how much work you've put in?
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Post#813 » by Dominator83 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 10:57 pm

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You could have just replied to me. I'm a big boy. I can handle it.

We just see basketball differently my friend. I am far from a championship or bust kind of guy. And I definitely don't think that being bad is the only way to get good. I'm team continuity. I want to establish a winning identity. I want people to say Bulls Culture the way they say Heat Culture. You, and apparently many others, would rather just take their chances with the lottery.

I'd like to make the playoffs this year. What a terrible take.


For the last 26 years, we've basically been more like Atlanta Hawks Culture or maybe Utah jazz culture. Mired in endless mediocrity.



Which is why I'm so interested in them trying to change that narrative. We go right back to Atlanta Hawks Culture the second we start trading our vets for middleing draft picks. Just my opinion...

As it stands, at best were not even the Trae Young Hawks, we're the Joe Johnson Hawks.
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Post#814 » by Guru » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:00 pm

What trade did other people make, other than 2nd rounders, that you would make?
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Post#815 » by 2weekswithpay » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:00 pm

drosestruts wrote:I think an overlooked thing is that the perception of the Bulls online and in the media - doesn't seem to align with the perception of the Bulls amongst NBA players.

When Boylen was the coach we legit had other teams laughing at us, on camera during games.

Part of the Vuc, and especially DeRozan signings were about rehabilitating the image of the Bulls amongst NBA players. I think that has clearly been accomplished.

I don't care if Brian Windhorst thinks we're cool, or Duck (sorry to use you as an example Duck - you were the first poster that popped into mind).

I'll take Torrey Craig and Andre Drummonds seal of approval - two solid veteran NBA players that chose Chicago over multiple options - over the seal of approval from Ricky O'Donnel or some other blogger/podcaster who's finances are tied to clicks and listens (and we all know nothing sells like outrage - look at any news channel).

DeRozan sounds like a guy who wants to be here. Not a guy who's looking to run away as soon as the season is over. That's a BIG chance in the past three years.

Building up all this good will then throwing it away for a late first or some future distant seconds would have been stupid.

You want to understand AK - just look at the Nuggets.

From 2013-14 to 2017-18 they don't make the playoffs, and never win less than 30 games in a season.

2018-19: lost in the 2nd round
2019-20: lost in the conference finals
2020-21: lost in the 2nd round
2021-22: lost in the 1st round
2022-23: NBA Champions

This message board - without a doubt would be screaming for the team to blow it up after a first round exit in 2022. Posters left and right would be claiming the WCF run was a Bubble Fluke and that the team is regressing. Or that Murray and Porter are too injury proned.

This board is called RealGM - so I understand it might oversatuate in people who fancy themselves armchair General Managers. Making deals is fun - Daryl Morrey can't help himself (also never won anything). Morrey made trades for future 2nd today that directly help competing Eastern Conference teams. Those future 2nds will most likely never contribute anything of value for Morrey or the 76ers. But hey - TRADES!!

This Bulls team gets along with eachother, plays hard, and does have a number of emerging talents in Coby, Ayo, and yes even Patrick Williams (though no, I don't think he signs for $20mm in AAV)

The Bulls - after a disasterous start to the season have won 60% of their games over a 2+ month period.

Last year we won 60% of our games after the trade deadline and everyone says it doesn't count because it was in the last quarter of the season.

This year we win 60% of our games in December and January, and again nothing but excuses dismissing it.

This is a talented team. When you look at lineup data you always see that this team plays better with one of DeRozan or LaVine but not both. Well - now we get to test that our with some long-term data.

For you naysayers and malcontents - what level of success gets you to admit you were wrong and it was better to keep this team together?

A push to the 6th seed
A competitive 1st round playoff series
A first round playoff series victory
A competitive 2nd round playoff series

or does nothing the Bulls could accomplish this season make you think this is a team worth keeping together?


The Nuggets were missing 2 starters when they lost in the first round. Nobody would be trying to blow the team up if we had an MVP-caliber player like Jokic. I don't see the point in comparing the Bulls to the Nuggets. The Nuggets didn't make the plays for 5 seasons but in 2016-17 they won 40 games with a young Jokic and in 2017-18 they missed the playoffs despite winning 46 games.
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Post#816 » by Dan Z » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:02 pm

drosestruts wrote:
Guru wrote:
drosestruts wrote:I think an overlooked thing is that the perception of the Bulls online and in the media - doesn't seem to align with the perception of the Bulls amongst NBA players.

When Boylen was the coach we legit had other teams laughing at us, on camera during games.

Part of the Vuc, and especially DeRozan signings were about rehabilitating the image of the Bulls amongst NBA players. I think that has clearly been accomplished.

I don't care if Brian Windhorst thinks we're cool, or Duck (sorry to use you as an example Duck - you were the first poster that popped into mind).

I'll take Torrey Craig and Andre Drummonds seal of approval - two solid veteran NBA players that chose Chicago over multiple options - over the seal of approval from Ricky O'Donnel or some other blogger/podcaster who's finances are tied to clicks and listens (and we all know nothing sells like outrage - look at any news channel).

DeRozan sounds like a guy who wants to be here. Not a guy who's looking to run away as soon as the season is over. That's a BIG chance in the past three years.

Building up all this good will then throwing it away for a late first or some future distant seconds would have been stupid.

You want to understand AK - just look at the Nuggets.

From 2013-14 to 2017-18 they don't make the playoffs, and never win less than 30 games in a season.

2018-19: lost in the 2nd round
2019-20: lost in the conference finals
2020-21: lost in the 2nd round
2021-22: lost in the 1st round
2022-23: NBA Champions

This message board - without a doubt would be screaming for the team to blow it up after a first round exit in 2022. Posters left and right would be claiming the WCF run was a Bubble Fluke and that the team is regressing. Or that Murray and Porter are too injury proned.

This board is called RealGM - so I understand it might oversatuate in people who fancy themselves armchair General Managers. Making deals is fun - Daryl Morrey can't help himself (also never won anything). Morrey made trades for future 2nd today that directly help competing Eastern Conference teams. Those future 2nds will most likely never contribute anything of value for Morrey or the 76ers. But hey - TRADES!!

This Bulls team gets along with eachother, plays hard, and does have a number of emerging talents in Coby, Ayo, and yes even Patrick Williams (though no, I don't think he signs for $20mm in AAV)

The Bulls - after a disasterous start to the season have won 60% of their games over a 2+ month period.

Last year we won 60% of our games after the trade deadline and everyone says it doesn't count because it was in the last quarter of the season.

This year we win 60% of our games in December and January, and again nothing but excuses dismissing it.

This is a talented team. When you look at lineup data you always see that this team plays better with one of DeRozan or LaVine but not both. Well - now we get to test that our with some long-term data.

For you naysayers and malcontents - what level of success gets you to admit you were wrong and it was better to keep this team together?

A push to the 6th seed
A competitive 1st round playoff series
A first round playoff series victory
A competitive 2nd round playoff series

or does nothing the Bulls could accomplish this season make you think this is a team worth keeping together?


If the bulls don't have a top 10 star and are not competing for a championship.....it's time to blow it up....As if all the pieces alive at once and there is no building.


those are VERY high standards. It must be frustrating for you to follow any sports team outside of like being a New Zealand rugby fan or something.


When you use the Nuggest as an example it's important to point out that they have Jokic, who is an all-time great. They spent time figuring out how to build around him.

Does every team need an all-time great before they can build a competitive team? No, but the Bulls are currently in 9th place and finished in 10th last year. How far do you see them going this year?

Someone else pointed out that the teams needs to go 22-9 over the last 30 games to match the record of the 2021-22 team (which finished in 6th place).

In his press conference AK was asked about the team being competitive and pointed out that any team (Charlotte was used as an example) can site winning streaks (or moments of good play) in any season. AK uses that as an excuse every year.
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Post#817 » by Dan Z » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:05 pm

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Dan Z wrote:The Bulls did nothing at the deadline (no surprise). Does anyone think they'll pick up a waved player? I have my doubt, but even if they do someone like Kyle Lowry won't change this team too much.


Maybe that Lonzo disabled player exception could actually be useful. I'm trying to figure out how the perpetually-disrespected Spencer Dinwiddie would look here. If AKME are trying to win, and they are, he's somebody that might help, and he's only 6'-5", which is under AK's maximum size requirement. If we're going youth movement, he takes away minutes from Coby and Ayo, but that doesn't seem to be a concern for them.


Like I said in another post, initial reports are that the Lakers, Sixers and other teams (not the Bulls) are interested in Dinwiddie. I doubt the Bulls go after him.

But I agree...if the Bulls are looking to win he'd be a good addition (even though he's had a down season). Although the team could use a big.

As for Lonzo I think he's still looking to come back, which means they won't be able to use that exception. Maybe things change next season?
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Post#818 » by NecessaryEvil » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:10 pm

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Post#819 » by DropStep » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:11 pm

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Dan Z wrote:The Bulls did nothing at the deadline (no surprise). Does anyone think they'll pick up a waved player? I have my doubt, but even if they do someone like Kyle Lowry won't change this team too much.


Maybe that Lonzo disabled player exception could actually be useful. I'm trying to figure out how the perpetually-disrespected Spencer Dinwiddie would look here. If AKME are trying to win, and they are, he's somebody that might help, and he's only 6'-5", which is under AK's maximum size requirement. If we're going youth movement, he takes away minutes from Coby and Ayo, but that doesn't seem to be a concern for them.


Like I said in another post, initial reports are that the Lakers, Sixers and other teams (not the Bulls) are interested in Dinwiddie. I doubt the Bulls go after him.

But I agree...if the Bulls are looking to win he'd be a good addition (even though he's had a down season). Although the team could use a big.

As for Lonzo I think he's still looking to come back, which means they won't be able to use that exception. Maybe things change next season?


I think they already have the exception for this season, with the ability to sign a FA to a one year deal.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38008118/chicago-bulls-granted-102m-disabled-player-exception-guard-lonzo-ball-sources-say
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Post#820 » by _txchilibowl_ » Thu Feb 8, 2024 11:13 pm

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Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.



You could have just replied to me. I'm a big boy. I can handle it.

We just see basketball differently my friend. I am far from a championship or bust kind of guy. And I definitely don't think that being bad is the only way to get good. I'm team continuity. I want to establish a winning identity. I want people to say Bulls Culture the way they say Heat Culture. You, and apparently many others, would rather just take their chances with the lottery.

I'd like to make the playoffs this year. What a terrible take.



To be clear, I wasn’t trying to not reply to you. Both posts were included for a reason. I know I sound like a jerk. I’m just fed up with Chicago fans accepting mediocrity or worse.

Team continuity? Bro, this continuity is resulting in nothingness. The culture isn’t being developed, and a lot of the guys you want to build this culture and continuity won’t be here long enough to see that through.

You want to see the Bulls make the playoffs…we all do! But that isn’t what is happening at all is it? We are hoping to make the play in currently…AGAIN. I can agree with Zach out of the way, the team can finish the year playing hard and competing…it’s just painfully obvious that this team has a seriously limited ceiling.

It doesn’t have to be about “taking chances” with the lottery. Eventually you have to wave the white flag. You have to take a direction one way or another. They just stand pat and say the same ****. The team hasn’t succeeded in growing young players nearly well enough. The only reason we’ve seen Coby emerge is bc the 250 million dollar man they signed is hurt and out of the way!

Watch Demar and Dre walk for NOTHING in off season after Bulls are once again unceremoniously bounced from playin or first round.

Eventually you’ll see what this bull continuity will further result in as if we haven’t had enough proof yet.

For the record, I hope I’m dead wrong but I don’t expect to be.

Honestly funny to bring up Bulls working towards a culture that the Heat have. Look at their culture….MAKING MOVES LEFT AND RIGHT EVERY YEAR!!!! Cmon man.



I'll try to address your points one at a time...

- I'm not accepting mediocrity. What I'm doing is not accepting being truly bad. I think that's an important distinction. Of course I would like the team to be better but there is no path this season that leads in that direction. If the team flames out again this year you address it in the offseason.

- The continuity and culture I'm talking about NEEDS to extend beyond the players that are currently here. That's the entire point. It needs to be the identity of the franchise. By most accounts, these players like playing here. They like playing with each other. As Steatmaster said, that's a major change from where we were in the last few years of GarPax. I am under no delusions that this roster can win a championship. My hope is that this roster can change the reputation of the franchise. A few years ago we were perennial losers, now we're a mediocre team that tries to fight every night. That's positive change.

- if the Bulls continue to play like they have they will make the playoffs. It's been pointed out a few times how well they've played over the last month or two. Top 10 record in the NBA.

- Of course this team has a limited ceiling. I don't see anyone disputing that. But I would like to see them hit that ceiling. I'd like for Coby and PWill to get that playoff experience, brief as it might be. I'd like them to go into the offseason motivated and hungry, not defeated by a management team that pulled the rug out from them.

- I don't think you need to wave the white flag yet. To what benefit? There apparently weren't any deals that were going to push this team in a positive direction this season or in the future. Why not try to win a little bit? The mediocre assets we passed up on will either be available later or they won't. No big deal. That's what makes them mediocre.

- I'm not worried about DDR or Drummond walking. And if they do it will be of their own volition and not because the franchise gave up on trying to win. That's important to me. Hopefully it will be important to other players who might want to play here down the line. That's the experiment I'd like to see through.

- "Heat Culture" isn't defined by a level of activity. It's defined by a constant pursuit of winning and playing hard. The trades they make only accentuate the philosophy that has already been instilled. That's the very same philosophy I want the Chicago Bulls to have.

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