Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[winforlose]

You absolutely made me laugh out loud with this comment. W4L has been wanting us to get a true PG and we got one of the best out there in Morris. We do that, but he gets very upset over us not doing the rest of his plan.

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

You could be right. I don't know. However, we got the #2 guy on your list and you were freaking over the top with fury,rage,venom over them not doing the second part of your plan. Take the win. The Wolves are not obligated to do everything you think they should.

I would gladly take the win if the team can stop throwing away games and take some wins.

They aren’t obligated to do everything I think they should, but when those things are common sense and easy to pull off, maybe they should do it anyway.

[winforlose]

I think one of the important factors that keeps Kyle here is his ability to get in the middle and attack zone defenses. Regardless of what he does or does not provide in the regular season, the postseason is about what you can do to counter the opponents game plan. Kyle is important enough for that alone.

He is a -7 points when he plays. In other words we are 7 points worse per 100 possessions because he is on the floor. 7 points is a huge margin in our recent losses.

[winforlose]

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

Maybe Connely actually likes Moore. The buyout market is pretty horrible anyway. The odds of 2 buyout guys making a difference for us is pretty low.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631111/

If he is a sub 40% shooter in the G and a -9.7 in +/- for Iowa, how do you think that translates to the NBA?

[NebWolvesFan]

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

Maybe Connely actually likes Moore. The buyout market is pretty horrible anyway. The odds of 2 buyout guys making a difference for us is pretty low.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631111/

If he is a sub 40% shooter in the G and a -9.7 in +/- for Iowa, how do you think that translates to the NBA?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Minnesota trades down on draft night in an effort to move off of Moore. Replacing him with a 2024 second round pick would save the Timberwolves 3.5 million dollars of contract money and who knows how much in taxes. For instances the Kings' earliest pick right now is 49. Maybe they fall in love with a player at 37 and are willing to trade 49 for 37 and Moore's expiring.

[shrink]

I think one of the important factors that keeps Kyle here is his ability to get in the middle and attack zone defenses. Regardless of what he does or does not provide in the regular season, the postseason is about what you can do to counter the opponents game plan. Kyle is important enough for that alone.

I agree, plus in the playoffs you need all the players you can get that can guard big wings.

I understand that he’s been shooting very badly for most of the season, and that fans who loved him last year hate him now, but he’s still the same guy who was great last year. I don’t see a new physical or emotional issue that is causing the downswing. Personally, I’m not surprised that Connelly held onto him, hoping he can improve in the second half and playoffs. To me, the chance that he improves is more worthwhile than adding some very low ceiling player that is unlikely to get minutes in a playoff rotation.

[Klomp]

I understand that he’s been shooting very badly for most of the season, and that fans who loved him last year hate him now, but he’s still the same guy who was great last year. I don’t see a new physical or emotional issue that is causing the downswing. Personally, I’m not surprised that Connelly held onto him, hoping he can improve in the second half and playoffs. To me, the chance that he improves is more worthwhile than adding some very low ceiling player that is unlikely to get minutes in a playoff rotation.

The only possibility is the eye.

[winforlose]

I think one of the important factors that keeps Kyle here is his ability to get in the middle and attack zone defenses. Regardless of what he does or does not provide in the regular season, the postseason is about what you can do to counter the opponents game plan. Kyle is important enough for that alone.

I agree, plus in the playoffs you need all the players you can get that can guard big wings.

I understand that he’s been shooting very badly for most of the season, and that fans who loved him last year hate him now, but he’s still the same guy who was great last year. I don’t see a new physical or emotional issue that is causing the downswing. Personally, I’m not surprised that Connelly held onto him, hoping he can improve in the second half and playoffs. To me, the chance that he improves is more worthwhile than adding some very low ceiling player that is unlikely to get minutes in a playoff rotation.

You guys are quick to forget that he got Rudy suspended by provoking a fight with him at the end of last season. He could be heard taunting Finch saying that the Wolves have some decisions to make next year. He further suggested he would not resign here. I get that there is water under the bridge at this point. But when you add it to the defensive lapses, the spacing woes, the turnovers, the blocking of Miller, the unwillingness to shoot, ect… Kyle has played himself out of the rotation and really off the team, but the FO won’t move on.

[moss_is_1]

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

Maybe Connely actually likes Moore. The buyout market is pretty horrible anyway. The odds of 2 buyout guys making a difference for us is pretty low.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631111/

If he is a sub 40% shooter in the G and a -9.7 in +/- for Iowa, how do you think that translates to the NBA?

I don't think he's good, but a 6 game sample isn't enough to draw any sort of conclusion.

[winforlose]

Maybe Connely actually likes Moore. The buyout market is pretty horrible anyway. The odds of 2 buyout guys making a difference for us is pretty low.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631111/

If he is a sub 40% shooter in the G and a -9.7 in +/- for Iowa, how do you think that translates to the NBA?

I don't think he's good, but a 6 game sample isn't enough to draw any sort of conclusion.

It is his only body of work to review. He doesn’t have any meaningful stats in the NBA. That also tells you something, as there were plenty of chances for him to play himself into a rotation missing JMAC, Ant, and Jaden, and yet Finch still kept him end of bench.

[Klomp]

I think the second unit will function a lot differently. I don't think Kyle will have the ball in his hands quite as often with the Morris addition. That's key, because he currently has a career-worst turnover percentage, which is also worst on the team. Bringing in Morris and putting the ball in his hands should improve the second unit, even with Anderson staying in the rotation.

[winforlose]

I think the second unit will function a lot differently. I don't think Kyle will have the ball in his hands quite as often with the Morris addition. That's key, because he currently has a career-worst turnover percentage, which is also worst on the team. Bringing in Morris and putting the ball in his hands should improve the second unit, even with Anderson staying in the rotation.

How does that work. Where on the floor is Kyle effective from without the ball?

[BlacJacMac]

We could have had both if motherf****** TC had moved that waste of pick/space Moore to anyone else. Is anyone more comfortable with Moore on the bench than just about anyone who got waived?

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

I don’t just want change on the margins, I want Kyle out of the rotation, off the team, and preferably hurting someone else’s spacing. Kyle is a disaster for us. Moore is a zero, but his money and roster space could have brought in a rotation worthy 3. Then you use the 2 for 1 to bring in a rotation worthy 4. Now you have our starting 5 plus Monte, NAW, BOG (Buy out Guy,) BOG, and Naz. The two BOGs save wear and tear and help us win. There is plenty of talent out there, and all of it more useful than Moore or Kyle.

And who are the BOGs that are going to be able to defend Kawhi, Zion or Luka in the Playoffs if McDaniels is struggling?

[Klomp]

I think the second unit will function a lot differently. I don't think Kyle will have the ball in his hands quite as often with the Morris addition. That's key, because he currently has a career-worst turnover percentage, which is also worst on the team. Bringing in Morris and putting the ball in his hands should improve the second unit, even with Anderson staying in the rotation.

How does that work. Where on the floor is Kyle effective from without the ball?

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[winforlose]

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

I don’t just want change on the margins, I want Kyle out of the rotation, off the team, and preferably hurting someone else’s spacing. Kyle is a disaster for us. Moore is a zero, but his money and roster space could have brought in a rotation worthy 3. Then you use the 2 for 1 to bring in a rotation worthy 4. Now you have our starting 5 plus Monte, NAW, BOG (Buy out Guy,) BOG, and Naz. The two BOGs save wear and tear and help us win. There is plenty of talent out there, and all of it more useful than Moore or Kyle.

And who are the BOGs that are going to be able to defend Kawhi, Zion or Luka in the Playoffs if McDaniels is struggling?

Marcus Morris possibly. Depends on who else is out there. Honestly NAW is gonna have that spot if Jaden is struggling. I wonder if Leonard Miller might be playoff ready if we gave him real minutes over the next two months.

Side request for anyone good with advanced stats. Can someone take a look at Kyle and report back to the board about his impact?

[BlacJacMac]

I don’t just want change on the margins, I want Kyle out of the rotation, off the team, and preferably hurting someone else’s spacing. Kyle is a disaster for us. Moore is a zero, but his money and roster space could have brought in a rotation worthy 3. Then you use the 2 for 1 to bring in a rotation worthy 4. Now you have our starting 5 plus Monte, NAW, BOG (Buy out Guy,) BOG, and Naz. The two BOGs save wear and tear and help us win. There is plenty of talent out there, and all of it more useful than Moore or Kyle.

And who are the BOGs that are going to be able to defend Kawhi, Zion or Luka in the Playoffs if McDaniels is struggling?

Marcus Morris possibly. Depends on who else is out there. Honestly NAW is gonna have that spot if Jaden is struggling. I wonder if Leonard Miller might be playoff ready if we gave him real minutes over the next two months.

Side request for anyone good with advanced stats. Can someone take a look at Kyle and report back to the board about his impact?

So....No one...

[winforlose]

And who are the BOGs that are going to be able to defend Kawhi, Zion or Luka in the Playoffs if McDaniels is struggling?

Marcus Morris possibly. Depends on who else is out there. Honestly NAW is gonna have that spot if Jaden is struggling. I wonder if Leonard Miller might be playoff ready if we gave him real minutes over the next two months.

Side request for anyone good with advanced stats. Can someone take a look at Kyle and report back to the board about his impact?

So....No one...

If we traded Kyle the answer was Royce O’Neale. Marcus Morris is my choice for a buyout PF, but if we only get one we will probably seek out a shooter (another move I disagree with.) That leaves NAW or Miller off the existing roster if Kyle is benched. Why is that hard to understand?

[shrink]

Marcus Morris possibly. Depends on who else is out there. Honestly NAW is gonna have that spot if Jaden is struggling. I wonder if Leonard Miller might be playoff ready if we gave him real minutes over the next two months.

Side request for anyone good with advanced stats. Can someone take a look at Kyle and report back to the board about his impact?

So....No one...

If we traded Kyle the answer was Royce O’Neale.

Well the Suns gave up three second rounders for Royce, (and a pick swap for Roddy). Where would we get the assets to outbid that?

[KGdaBom]

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

You could be right. I don't know. However, we got the #2 guy on your list and you were freaking over the top with fury,rage,venom over them not doing the second part of your plan. Take the win. The Wolves are not obligated to do everything you think they should.

I would gladly take the win if the team can stop throwing away games and take some wins.

They aren’t obligated to do everything I think they should, but when those things are common sense and easy to pull off, maybe they should do it anyway.

A win is a win is a win is a win is a win.

[winforlose]

So....No one...

If we traded Kyle the answer was Royce O’Neale.

Well the Suns gave up three second rounders for Royce, (and a pick swap for Roddy). Where would we get the assets to outbid that?

I haven’t seen the pick swap. Is it a first? Three seconds and minimum players, we match with Kyle for 2 2nds to whatever team wants him and one of our 2nds. Moore can be included if anyone is willing to take him.

[KGdaBom]

If we traded Kyle the answer was Royce O’Neale.

Well the Suns gave up three second rounders for Royce, (and a pick swap for Roddy). Where would we get the assets to outbid that?

I haven’t seen the pick swap. Is it a first? Three seconds and minimum players, we match with Kyle for 2 2nds to whatever team wants him and one of our 2nds. Moore can be included if anyone is willing to take him.

You think Kyle is the suck of all suck. If you are correct nobody was going to give us anything for him.