Does management not see we should be doing everything possible to keep 2024 pick?

[Prestige]

They’re 3-12 in the last 15. They’ve been a train wreck and these new players won’t change anything. How much worse do you want them to be? I’m pretty sure the front office, heck even the fans don’t want to see a Pistons style 28 game losing streak. That’s probably what it would take to surpass these other teams. And for what? It’s unlikely even the best player in this draft ends up as good as Barnes.

[bballsparkin]

Conveying the pick this year is what this team should do and it is what they plan on doing.

Unless we win into the top 4, then it's.......

[TorontoBarneys]

Next year teams are going to be tanking same as this year. Keeping both picks was never a realistic scenario (without lottery luck)

One thing I'd like to mention is that if the pick conveys to the spurs and they get 2 top lottery talents, and one offseason and a season of play behind Wemby, I think the Spurs eventually end up too good to be a tanking team in '25 and that gives us another slot to go up in the tank standings.

Could see what Detroit does, as well. Memphis of course should be much better with Ja returning fully.

[ItsDanger]

The short answer is no. Lack of proactive management on full display. Going to be a tough hill to climb doing it like they are.

[Tacoma]

They are likely worse after today.

They have no traditional pg on the roster.

Schroder was playing selfish bball taking shots away from BBQ. If losing FVV was addition by subtraction, then so is losing Schroder. We don't need a traditional PG and one can argue Schroder wasn't playing that role anyway. IQ has started over Schroder since he got here has averaged more assists per game than Schroder. Scottie will be our Point Forward and primary ball handler.

Overall, if you can make sense out of today's trades, it is that Masai has put BBQ in a better position to succeed. We also have a backup Center now. By these reasons, I don't agree with your claim that we are worse after today.

[mademan]

Memphis moving to a heavy tank means we're gonna be minus odds to keep our pick. Why fight with Memphis, which would take a heavy tank that would, without question, bleed into next year for a chance to keep our pick in a bad draft. Lets just go for the play in, give up the pick and use FA to rebuild the team

[bballsparkin]

Next year teams are going to be tanking same as this year. Keeping both picks was never a realistic scenario (without lottery luck)

One thing I'd like to mention is that if the pick conveys to the spurs and they get 2 top lottery talents, and one offseason and a season of play behind Wemby, I think the Spurs eventually end up too good to be a tanking team in '25 and that gives us another slot to go up in the tank standings.

Could see what Detroit does, as well. Memphis of course should be much better with Ja returning fully.

Now that's a positive way of looking at it. lol

[Badonkadonk]

Terrible thread. Even if the Raps end up 6th worst, they have better than 50% odds of sliding down to 7th. And that's "best case" in a bad draft year.

The pick needs to convey this year.

[ontnut]

Dammit, management!!! SEE MORE! SEE!!! OPEN EYES!



Am I doing it right?

[TheRealDeal]

Portland can’t even beat the Pistons at home. So much would have to go our way to keep the pick

[beanbag]

The same people wanting these players traded are now criticizing the picks those players were traded for. If the players weren't traded, they'd be ripping the front office for not trading them. If they traded them for current NBA players that contributed to the team being not bad enough immediately, they would rip the front office for not tanking properly. If the Raptors finish 5th or 6th and the lottery balls don't go their way, the front office will be ripped for that. If they keep the pick this year and lose it next year, they'll be criticized for tanking in the wrong year. If they keep the picks and don't pick the consensus picks of the "brain trust" they'll be ripped on draft day and all summer. If those players then turn out good they'll claim they were right all along. If the player(s) turns 23 and isn't/aren't prime Michael Jordan.....you better believe that's a paddlin.

[SpezNc]

For a front office that use to draft well (Siakam, O.G, Barnes, Poeltl, FVV as a FA etc. ) they don’t seems to value picks that much

[aminiaturebuddha]

They are likely worse after today.

They have no traditional pg on the roster.

Schroder was playing selfish bball taking shots away from BBQ. If losing FVV was addition by subtraction, then so is losing Schroder. We don't need a traditional PG and one can argue Schroder wasn't playing that role anyway. IQ has started over Schroder since he got here has averaged more assists per game than Schroder. Scottie will be our Point Forward and primary ball handler.

Overall, if you can make sense out of today's trades, it is that Masai has put BBQ in a better position to succeed. We also have a backup Center now. By these reasons, I don't agree with your claim that we are worse after today.

But...it wasn't. Surely that should be obvious by now. For all his faults, FVV still contributed to winning basketball.

Long term, sure, this may have put us in a better position to develop the young core and succeed. But people in this thread seem to be concerned that these moves are going to turn the Raps into some sort of juggernaut over the last 30 games of the season and dramatically affect lottery chances. That just seems hyperbolic.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Basically this comes down to the thing that can't be controlled - lottery luck. If the Raps happen to get the right lottery balls and move into the top 4, great - I'm sure there'll be a decent rotation player available in there. If not, it's also good to get out of the obligation and remove any future restrictions for deals to try to get players to make the team better.

Basically, there's no point in worrying much about it because 1) the most important result can't be controlled, and 2) neither outcome is likely to dramatically change the future outlook of the team when the pick needs to be conveyed at some point anyway.