Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

[BadMofoPimp]

What's so funny is that people say the reason jett can't get minutes is defense.... But at the same time you got Ingles/Anthony/moe who can't guard anybody.... Even worse recently now they can't score, what's going on?

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Obviously, he must be doing something wrong or so badly that he cannot contribute to a playoff bound team. I trust Mosely on this one. If he would hurt the team now, then let him at least get minutes in the G-League and develop. How hard is that to believe?

Howard is making $5,026,824 this year. If he could offer more than Schofield or Queen, he would be in Orlando. This is about Howard learning how to play NBA basketball, because right now, he cannot.

The only thing Howard can do now is hit the long ball. But that is an NBA skill that can be built around. To beat this story over again, look at Redick. He did not make any meaningful contribution to this team until year 4.

And this is exactly the reason Black will pile up DNPCDs with a healthy Fultz and Anthony.

Reddick only played 8mpg in his 2nd season. People need to be patient.

[BadMofoPimp]

Obviously, he must be doing something wrong or so badly that he cannot contribute to a playoff bound team. I trust Mosely on this one. If he would hurt the team now, then let him at least get minutes in the G-League and develop. How hard is that to believe?

Howard is making $5,026,824 this year. If he could offer more than Schofield or Queen, he would be in Orlando. This is about Howard learning how to play NBA basketball, because right now, he cannot.

The only thing Howard can do now is hit the long ball. But that is an NBA skill that can be built around. To beat this story over again, look at Redick. He did not make any meaningful contribution to this team until year 4.

And this is exactly the reason Black will pile up DNPCDs with a healthy Fultz and Anthony.

But they didn't park Reddick in a glorified AAU Camp

Then, there is more wrong with Jett than we have been allowed to know. Coaches know a helluva lot more about these players than arm chair GM's. Have you even watched him practice against other Magicians when he was in Orlando?

[JBSouthpaw]

Obviously, he must be doing something wrong or so badly that he cannot contribute to a playoff bound team. I trust Mosely on this one. If he would hurt the team now, then let him at least get minutes in the G-League and develop. How hard is that to believe?

Howard is making $5,026,824 this year. If he could offer more than Schofield or Queen, he would be in Orlando. This is about Howard learning how to play NBA basketball, because right now, he cannot.

The only thing Howard can do now is hit the long ball. But that is an NBA skill that can be built around. To beat this story over again, look at Redick. He did not make any meaningful contribution to this team until year 4.

And this is exactly the reason Black will pile up DNPCDs with a healthy Fultz and Anthony.

But they didn't park Reddick in a glorified AAU Camp

Did we have a G-league team in Lakeland when JJ was here? The rosters were smaller too? No 2-way contracts and 1 less?
It's been almost 20 years since JJ was drafted, bunch has changed.

[BadMofoPimp]

Personally, I think Reddick had to outwork players to get to where he ended up. When I went into the locker room back then Stan had a chart where Reddick was pound for pound, the strongest on the team in his 4th season. That means he worked hard to get to play by his 3rd and 4th season. We will have to wait and see if Jett can do the same or just end up being a 10mpg shooter.

[JoshuaPotter]

Howard is making $5,026,824 this year. If he could offer more than Schofield or Queen, he would be in Orlando. This is about Howard learning how to play NBA basketball, because right now, he cannot.

The only thing Howard can do now is hit the long ball. But that is an NBA skill that can be built around. To beat this story over again, look at Redick. He did not make any meaningful contribution to this team until year 4.

And this is exactly the reason Black will pile up DNPCDs with a healthy Fultz and Anthony.

But they didn't park Reddick in a glorified AAU Camp

Did we have a G-league team in Lakeland when JJ was here? The rosters were smaller too? No 2-way contracts and 1 less?
It's been almost 20 years since JJ was drafted, bunch has changed.

No g-league and also Reddick had a significant back injury that required surgery.

People really have a short term memory. There was a lot of extenuating circumstances regarding Redick. J. Howard IMHO was a draft and stash. When I look at the GM words on draft night and interpret it with what has happened with him it makes sense. He isn't coming out of the G-League team for a reason.

I totally do not like that that was the plan when there was players I liked over Mr Howard. So I sit here, and hope that J. Howard evolves into some kinda gold like his pops Juwan.

[eyriq]

I don't think it's likely we shop the buyout market. We don't have a roster spot available and I doubt we cut anyone.

The off-season will be super interesting, though.

Starting PG vacancy
Rotation SG vacancy
JI decision
11 players signed + pick, so 12 players
3 open roster spots

$81M in cap holds.

$25.5M for Fultz
$19.5M for Harris
$15.8M for Okeke
$2.1M for Goga

Personally, I'll be rooting for Fultz, Harris, and Okeke to get renounced, Black to win the starting PG role, Jett to win the rotation SG role, and for us to use the $30M in cap space on Claxton. Fill it out with some two-way studs.

[JoshuaPotter]

I don't think it's likely we shop the buyout market. We don't have a roster spot available and I doubt we cut anyone.

The off-season will be super interesting, though.

Starting PG vacancy
Rotation SG vacancy
JI decision
11 players signed + pick, so 12 players
3 open roster spots

$81M in cap holds.

$25.5M for Fultz
$19.5M for Harris
$15.8M for Okeke
$2.1M for Goga

Personally, I'll be rooting for Fultz, Harris, and Okeke to get renounced, Black to win the starting PG role, Jett to win the rotation SG role, and for us to use the $30M in cap space on Claxton. Fill it out with some two-way studs.

I see us resigning Goga and extending Isaac potentially with a front loaded contract.

I imagine I am not popular, but I think Isaac is too tantalizing in his role for our management. If he just needs to avoid back to back games and stays healthy otherwise I imagine management is more then happy to give him another front loaded contract to balance the budget and have his defensive presence from the bench.

I am not saying I like this. I am merely looking at past indicating likeliness of determining future results.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I don't think it's likely we shop the buyout market. We don't have a roster spot available and I doubt we cut anyone.

The off-season will be super interesting, though.

Starting PG vacancy
Rotation SG vacancy
JI decision
11 players signed + pick, so 12 players
3 open roster spots

$81M in cap holds.

$25.5M for Fultz
$19.5M for Harris
$15.8M for Okeke
$2.1M for Goga

Personally, I'll be rooting for Fultz, Harris, and Okeke to get renounced, Black to win the starting PG role, Jett to win the rotation SG role, and for us to use the $30M in cap space on Claxton. Fill it out with some two-way studs.

I see us resigning Goga and extending Isaac potentially with a front loaded contract.

I imagine I am not popular, but I think Isaac is too tantalizing in his role for our management. If he just needs to avoid back to back games and stays healthy otherwise I imagine management is more then happy to give him another front loaded contract to balance the budget and have his defensive presence from the bench.

I am not saying I like this. I am merely looking at past indicating likeliness of determining future results.

0 chance Goga comes back to get DNP's when teams like Memphis need a backup C. I fully expect to see Goga get 3/20M type deal and we'd be moronic to match that. I also think this FO renegotiates Isaac's deal and spreads the money out over a 3 year deal.

[eyriq]

I don't think it's likely we shop the buyout market. We don't have a roster spot available and I doubt we cut anyone.

The off-season will be super interesting, though.

Starting PG vacancy
Rotation SG vacancy
JI decision
11 players signed + pick, so 12 players
3 open roster spots

$81M in cap holds.

$25.5M for Fultz
$19.5M for Harris
$15.8M for Okeke
$2.1M for Goga

Personally, I'll be rooting for Fultz, Harris, and Okeke to get renounced, Black to win the starting PG role, Jett to win the rotation SG role, and for us to use the $30M in cap space on Claxton. Fill it out with some two-way studs.

I see us resigning Goga and extending Isaac potentially with a front loaded contract.

I imagine I am not popular, but I think Isaac is too tantalizing in his role for our management. If he just needs to avoid back to back games and stays healthy otherwise I imagine management is more then happy to give him another front loaded contract to balance the budget and have his defensive presence from the bench.

I am not saying I like this. I am merely looking at past indicating likeliness of determining future results.

That's a viable path. JI for sure is probably too enticing to bail on.

[tooler]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

[drsd]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

There is a 0% chance the Magic retain all their expiring players. There will be 2-5 new Magicians next year. It is cast in stone already.

[eyriq]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

We have a lot of growth potential with 5 lotto talents on their rookie contracts for several more years. Players improve through their second contracts. Internal growth is almost guaranteed over the next 5 years. That is the engine that will determine our ceiling.

[BadMofoPimp]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

Stop thinking short term and think long term. There will be players added, just not fast enough for NBA2kers.

[Black and Blue]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

There is a 0% chance the Magic retain all their expiring players. There will be 2-5 new Magicians next year. It is cast in stone already.

I wouldn't say zero, as I think some of them are fallback plans and there is such history with their development, but I agree it's not the first course of action (heaven help us if it is).

People keep mentioning Claxton, but I do think the Nets ultimately keep him as they are high on him. This team also is pretty wedded to Carter at this point and Mo they want to keep to entice Franz to stay long term. Goga would be dependent on Carter finding a new home as he has likely played his way out of the 3rd string role.

The money has to be spent somewhere and there will be a hole at PG that is going to have to be filled. Tyus fits perfectly as a spot starter, potential future backup once AB is ready and I could see the Magic overpaying for him on a front loaded deal (since they'll have money to spend).

It stinks but this front office seems dead set against splash moves.

[tooler]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

Stop thinking short term and think long term. There will be players added, just not fast enough for NBA2kers.

That's exactly it though. I am thinking long-term. I'm looking at the long-term trajectory of this roster and I can see that it will top out without changes. Why not start making them now?

[BadMofoPimp]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

Stop thinking short term and think long term. There will be players added, just not fast enough for NBA2kers.

That's exactly it though. I am thinking long-term. I'm looking at the long-term trajectory of this roster and I can see that it will top out without changes. Why not start making them now?

Players can still be added or traded, just not fast enough for short term NBA2ker mindsets.

[eyriq]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

Stop thinking short term and think long term. There will be players added, just not fast enough for NBA2kers.

That's exactly it though. I am thinking long-term. I'm looking at the long-term trajectory of this roster and I can see that it will top out without changes. Why not start making them now?

If I look at long-term trends, let's say 3 years, the rotation is trending towards a starting lineup of AB|Suggs|Franz|Paolo|WCJ with Cole and Jett providing a punch off the bench. There's a ton of flexibility to round that out.

Which roster staples are you swapping out?

[djguevara114]

Family, loving each other, doesn’t mean you’re gonna be better than the talent you have… Or fit you have…

Looking back at the deals that went down, I’m beyond frustrated…

The move should have been to trade Cole, Chuma, and Houstan to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie…

You do right by Cole by giving him opportunity to start and sending him to his hometown NY…

You give Chuma opportunity to earn a contract from a team next year that we obviously aren’t going to offer him…

You move out replicated talent/player in Houstan to make way for Jett…

You bring in a 6’5” expiring PG that can shoot, be a playmaker, and defend—find out if it’s a long-term fit or open up cap-space…

You then open up the teams flexibility in buyout market, which we can’t do now without releasing someone for nothing…

WCJ / Mo / Goga
Bachero / Issac / Marcus Morris?
Franz / Ingles / Jett
Suggs / Harris / Fournier or Oladipo (Nostalgia/Loyalty move?)
Fultz / Dinwiddie / Black

I try and give this FO credit, but this trade deadline miffs me… We have real opportunity to be a fourth seed—they a sacrificing current opportunity for future hope…

[BadMofoPimp]

Family, loving each other, doesn’t mean you’re gonna be better than the talent you have… Or fit you have…

Looking back at the deals that went down, I’m beyond frustrated…

The move should have been to trade Cole, Chuma, and Houstan to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie…

You do right by Cole by giving him opportunity to start and sending him to his hometown NY…

You give Chuma opportunity to earn a contract from a team next year that we obviously aren’t going to offer him…

You move out replicated talent/player in Houstan to make way for Jett…

You bring in a 6’5” expiring PG that can shoot, be a playmaker, and defend—find out if it’s a long-term fit or open up cap-space…

You then open up the teams flexibility in buyout market, which we can’t do now without releasing someone for nothing…

WCJ / Mo / Goga
Bachero / Issac / Marcus Morris?
Franz / Ingles / Jett
Suggs / Harris / Fournier or Oladipo (Nostalgia/Loyalty move?)
Fultz / Dinwiddie / Black

I try and give this FO credit, but this trade deadline miffs me… We have real opportunity to be a fourth seed—they a sacrificing current opportunity for future hope…

Dinwoodie still can be obtained.

[djguevara114]

Potentially, but doesn’t make sense to do so by waiving Okeke for nothing, but also highly doubt Dinwiddie will choose Orlando…