Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Potentially, but doesn’t make sense to do so by waiving Okeke for nothing, but also highly doubt Dinwiddie will choose Orlando…

exactly, Dinwiddie is from LA he's going to end up with Lebron.

[Magicman125]

dinwiddie playing poorly this year, his shooting has been awful. No interest. Weltman did nothing, so just accept play-in or 6th seed as our fate and a likely first round exit. It'll still be a good step trajectory wise for our team and the young guys to play some meaningful games in the spring. But please make a move in the offseason either in FA or the trade market. We need a PG that can shoot and more shooting for our bench.

[KillMonger]

What's so funny is that people say the reason jett can't get minutes is defense.... But at the same time you got Ingles/Anthony/moe who can't guard anybody.... Even worse recently now they can't score, what's going on?

Sent from the phone in my hands

Obviously, he must be doing something wrong or so badly that he cannot contribute to a playoff bound team. I trust Mosely on this one. If he would hurt the team now, then let him at least get minutes in the G-League and develop. How hard is that to believe?

i doubt he'll hurt the team more than the guys i mentioned are already but that's just my opinion....i'm just tired of some posters saying "just be patient" but at the same time then they'll say " we should've drafted this guy or that guy" i thought you just said be patient?

[djguevara114]

dinwiddie playing poorly this year, his shooting has been awful. No interest. Weltman did nothing, so just accept play-in or 6th seed as our fate and a likely first round exit. It'll still be a good step trajectory wise for our team and the young guys to play some meaningful games in the spring. But please make a move in the offseason either in FA or the trade market. We need a PG that can shoot and more shooting for our bench.

I think part of his struggle was Vaughan… Awful head coach… Coach Mo, while his ability to scheme aggravates me, is blessed to get the best from his players…

[Skybox]

Howard is making $5,026,824 this year. If he could offer more than Schofield or Queen, he would be in Orlando. This is about Howard learning how to play NBA basketball, because right now, he cannot.

The only thing Howard can do now is hit the long ball. But that is an NBA skill that can be built around. To beat this story over again, look at Redick. He did not make any meaningful contribution to this team until year 4.

And this is exactly the reason Black will pile up DNPCDs with a healthy Fultz and Anthony.

But they didn't park Reddick in a glorified AAU Camp

Then, there is more wrong with Jett than we have been allowed to know. Coaches know a helluva lot more about these players than arm chair GM's. Have you even watched him practice against other Magicians when he was in Orlando?

Well. You got me there...I'm not actually a member of the coaching staff or even a Scout. We're kind of moving the goalposts here...I am all for stashing and developing Howard & Black at the correct pace - what is frustrating and inexcusable is riding out the season with expensive, expirings starting on a team that could be really good with some relatively minor tweaks. If we had added a Brogdon or even Tyus Jones to contribute TODAY...there would still be a clear path for Black and Jett to have their day on the same timeline.

Sure...we can do it this summer or next year or the year after. But why delay progress. Don't tell me that Paolo & Franz arent ready and wouldn't benefit in THEIR OWN development (which is a far higher priority than any other projects we have).

[Skybox]

Potentially, but doesn’t make sense to do so by waiving Okeke for nothing, but also highly doubt Dinwiddie will choose Orlando…

I'm not real worried about losing Okeke for nothing...worst scenario, Queen or Jett or Kevon is waiting for his spot.

[Skybox]

Howard is making $5,026,824 this year. If he could offer more than Schofield or Queen, he would be in Orlando. This is about Howard learning how to play NBA basketball, because right now, he cannot.

The only thing Howard can do now is hit the long ball. But that is an NBA skill that can be built around. To beat this story over again, look at Redick. He did not make any meaningful contribution to this team until year 4.

And this is exactly the reason Black will pile up DNPCDs with a healthy Fultz and Anthony.

But they didn't park Reddick in a glorified AAU Camp

Did we have a G-league team in Lakeland when JJ was here? The rosters were smaller too? No 2-way contracts and 1 less?
It's been almost 20 years since JJ was drafted, bunch has changed.

Another thing that has changed is the absolutely critical value of high volume 3pt shooting.

[Skybox]

What's weird to me is that even if they want to see how far this roster can go, I think it's obvious to everyone that this roster will top out somewhere below a championship, barring a miracle in player development. We can watch the growth of the team -- maybe a play-in win this year, maybe even a playoff series next year. Eventually that arc will peak. So if it's a given that the roster will top out, why wait until that's been demonstrated on the court? You're simply delaying the inevitable another couple years. Worst case you wait even longer and force ownership to fire you. Even if you think our management is lazy, you'd think they'd have some sort of self-preservation instinct.

Stop thinking short term and think long term. There will be players added, just not fast enough for NBA2kers.

It's not that black & white...you're sounding like a partisan bumper sticker.

You can make obvious incremental improvements in fit without blowing up your roster or "giving up" on young guys.

We "NBA2Kers" are not talking about dumping Black and Jett and a handful of frps for Chris Paul. I just want the FO to do their jobs and support the growth of the foundational guys with better fitting support. Everything outside of Paolo & Franz is interchangeable if we're being realistic....clinging to guys outside of the Top 5 or 6 players on a fringe playoff team is a symptom of a fanbase that has been beaten into an inferiority complex.

[BadMofoPimp]

What's so funny is that people say the reason jett can't get minutes is defense.... But at the same time you got Ingles/Anthony/moe who can't guard anybody.... Even worse recently now they can't score, what's going on?

Sent from the phone in my hands

Obviously, he must be doing something wrong or so badly that he cannot contribute to a playoff bound team. I trust Mosely on this one. If he would hurt the team now, then let him at least get minutes in the G-League and develop. How hard is that to believe?

i doubt he'll hurt the team more than the guys i mentioned are already but that's just my opinion....i'm just tired of some posters saying "just be patient" but at the same time then they'll say " we should've drafted this guy or that guy" i thought you just said be patient?

Obviously, he must be so bad that he is in the G-League this season.

[Skybox]

Potentially, but doesn’t make sense to do so by waiving Okeke for nothing, but also highly doubt Dinwiddie will choose Orlando…

I would absolutely ask for a meeting and pitch the long-term opportunity if the fit ends up working. Money wont matter to a buyout...opportunity does: whether it's competing for a ring as a sub or leading a young playoff team with a bright future...he has options.

I'm not super excited about Dinwoodie...but we bailed on the TD, so now it's scraps with potential

[Skybox]

Potentially, but doesn’t make sense to do so by waiving Okeke for nothing, but also highly doubt Dinwiddie will choose Orlando…

I would absolutely ask for a meeting and pitch the long-term opportunity if the fit ends up working. Money wont matter to a buyout...opportunity does: whether it's competing for a ring as a sub or leading a young playoff team with a bright future...he has options.

I'm not super excited about Dinwoodie...but we bailed on the TD, so now it's scraps with potential

And, if Dinwoodie agreed, I'd buyout Fultz and let him explore better options. He could help a good team. Hopefully, we wouldnt sign Dinwoodie and bury AB deeper below Fultz...that would kind of defeat the purpose.

[JBSouthpaw]

Potentially, but doesn’t make sense to do so by waiving Okeke for nothing, but also highly doubt Dinwiddie will choose Orlando…

I would absolutely ask for a meeting and pitch the long-term opportunity if the fit ends up working. Money wont matter to a buyout...opportunity does: whether it's competing for a ring as a sub or leading a young playoff team with a bright future...he has options.

I'm not super excited about Dinwoodie...but we bailed on the TD, so now it's scraps with potential

And, if Dinwoodie agreed, I'd buyout Fultz and let him explore better options. He could help a good team. Hopefully, we wouldnt sign Dinwoodie and bury AB deeper below Fultz...that would kind of defeat the purpose.

Not sure where this love is for SD, he has been pretty awful this year. He wouldn’t be the player to upset chemistry over.

[Skybox]

I would absolutely ask for a meeting and pitch the long-term opportunity if the fit ends up working. Money wont matter to a buyout...opportunity does: whether it's competing for a ring as a sub or leading a young playoff team with a bright future...he has options.

I'm not super excited about Dinwoodie...but we bailed on the TD, so now it's scraps with potential

And, if Dinwoodie agreed, I'd buyout Fultz and let him explore better options. He could help a good team. Hopefully, we wouldnt sign Dinwoodie and bury AB deeper below Fultz...that would kind of defeat the purpose.

Not sure where this love is for SD, he has been pretty awful this year. He wouldn’t be the player to upset chemistry over.

My math, sadly after yesterday, after yesterday's tap out...is pretty simple. Fultz is dead man walking. AB is not ready to start on a non-tanking team. Is Dinwiddie better and, potentially, a lot better than either? Easy Yes.

Chemistry is overrated compared to talent and basketball fit. Chemistry matters but this "family" crap shouldn't extend to NBA players who can't lift their arms to take a shot...sorry. unfortunate but real. This is an old take but never more true.

[eyriq]

I've made my peace with Fultz for the rest of the season

[Residual-Heat]

Fultz will prove you all wrong next game. He's gonna go crazy and score 11 points!

[JoshuaPotter]

Stop thinking short term and think long term. There will be players added, just not fast enough for NBA2kers.

That's exactly it though. I am thinking long-term. I'm looking at the long-term trajectory of this roster and I can see that it will top out without changes. Why not start making them now?

If I look at long-term trends, let's say 3 years, the rotation is trending towards a starting lineup of AB|Suggs|Franz|Paolo|WCJ with Cole and Jett providing a punch off the bench. There's a ton of flexibility to round that out.

Which roster staples are you swapping out?

I see us definitely retaining Mo Wag + Isaac. There is too much of a #family in this organization. It's like that was the goal, creating a family and not a championship.

Like it or not though, I think WCJ is the potential odd man out unless his defense improves significantly. Goga really showed us what peak defense could be with that roster you mentioned.

The more I think about it, with our likely incoming salary cap hades, we are likely going to keep our 1st round picks for the near future as draft and stash projects. I am not sure how that works with J Howard. I am hoping that he "magically" develops as a secret weapon 3rd option.

Oh man, there I go again mentioning our lack of a real 3rd option.

[BadMofoPimp]

But they didn't park Reddick in a glorified AAU Camp

Then, there is more wrong with Jett than we have been allowed to know. Coaches know a helluva lot more about these players than arm chair GM's. Have you even watched him practice against other Magicians when he was in Orlando?

Well. You got me there...I'm not actually a member of the coaching staff or even a Scout. We're kind of moving the goalposts here...I am all for stashing and developing Howard & Black at the correct pace - what is frustrating and inexcusable is riding out the season with expensive, expirings starting on a team that could be really good with some relatively minor tweaks. If we had added a Brogdon or even Tyus Jones to contribute TODAY...there would still be a clear path for Black and Jett to have their day on the same timeline.

Sure...we can do it this summer or next year or the year after. But why delay progress. Don't tell me that Paolo & Franz arent ready and wouldn't benefit in THEIR OWN development (which is a far higher priority than any other projects we have).

I just don't think management plays NBA2k like arm-chair GM's.

Players don't magically develop if they cannot prove themselves as competent in practice which is why Vets play over youngsters. They have to earn their place on the team. If they cannot do it in practice, then I don't want to watch them in games.

[KillMonger]

Obviously, he must be doing something wrong or so badly that he cannot contribute to a playoff bound team. I trust Mosely on this one. If he would hurt the team now, then let him at least get minutes in the G-League and develop. How hard is that to believe?

i doubt he'll hurt the team more than the guys i mentioned are already but that's just my opinion....i'm just tired of some posters saying "just be patient" but at the same time then they'll say " we should've drafted this guy or that guy" i thought you just said be patient?

Obviously, he must be so bad that he is in the G-League this season.

maybe, but hey i guess we'll never know

[JoshuaPotter]

I've made my peace with Fultz for the rest of the season

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[BadMofoPimp]

i doubt he'll hurt the team more than the guys i mentioned are already but that's just my opinion....i'm just tired of some posters saying "just be patient" but at the same time then they'll say " we should've drafted this guy or that guy" i thought you just said be patient?

Obviously, he must be so bad that he is in the G-League this season.

maybe, but hey i guess we'll never know

We get this every single year some draft pick doesn't get the playing time some fans think they deserve. If they haven't earned their playing time on a playoff bound team, then they shouldn't be played. It truly is that simple.