Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[MartinsIzAfraud]

The Magic are very likely gonna win something like 45 games this year. They might finish above the play in.

Does anyone *actually* think Weltman is going to run the risk of the team taking a step backwards record wise next year by letting his starting point guard walk away for nothing in free agency and just handing the reigns over to a 20-year-old with less than 1000 minutes under his belt?

C'mon now.

BINGOOOOO idk how many more times you, me & MagicMatic can say the same thing. He's going to get a 1+1 deal for like 20-25M and we're going to basically run it all back with probably 1 more minor FA signing ala Ingles.

Unless his TOS situation drastically improves in the next two months and he starts shooting at least as well as he did last season there is no way in hell he is getting such a contract or anything close to it. He has made a total of 3 shots outside of 16 feet all season and is currently averaging 8.8/3.7/3.2 on horrible scoring efficiency (51 TS%). He is also hasn't gotten to the line at all in two thirds of his games this season despite almost all of his shot attempts being in the paint.

The aging dad bod of Joe Ingles got 1+1 22M.. Fultz will get something like that from our archaic FO.

[djguevara114]

Family, loving each other, doesn’t mean you’re gonna be better than the talent you have… Or fit you have…

Looking back at the deals that went down, I’m beyond frustrated…

The move should have been to trade Cole, Chuma, and Houstan to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie…

You do right by Cole by giving him opportunity to start and sending him to his hometown NY…

You give Chuma opportunity to earn a contract from a team next year that we obviously aren’t going to offer him…

You move out replicated talent/player in Houstan to make way for Jett…

You bring in a 6’5” expiring PG that can shoot, be a playmaker, and defend—find out if it’s a long-term fit or open up cap-space…

You then open up the teams flexibility in buyout market, which we can’t do now without releasing someone for nothing…

WCJ / Mo / Goga
Bachero / Issac / Marcus Morris?
Franz / Ingles / Jett
Suggs / Harris / Fournier or Oladipo (Nostalgia/Loyalty move?)
Fultz / Dinwiddie / Black

I try and give this FO credit, but this trade deadline miffs me… We have real opportunity to be a fourth seed…

[tiderulz]

So several teams think ATL trades Trae in the off season.

Maybe we get in on that?

living in Atlanta, i dont see that happening. i still see them move Murray before Trae

[tiderulz]

The Magic are very likely gonna win something like 45 games this year. They might finish above the play in.

Does anyone *actually* think Weltman is going to run the risk of the team taking a step backwards record wise next year by letting his starting point guard walk away for nothing in free agency and just handing the reigns over to a 20-year-old with less than 1000 minutes under his belt?

C'mon now.

BINGOOOOO idk how many more times you, me & MagicMatic can say the same thing. He's going to get a 1+1 deal for like 20-25M and we're going to basically run it all back with probably 1 more minor FA signing ala Ingles.

Unless his TOS situation drastically improves in the next two months and he starts shooting at least as well as he did last season there is no way in hell he is getting such a contract or anything close to it. He has made a total of 3 shots outside of 16 feet all season and is currently averaging 8.8/3.7/3.2 on horrible scoring efficiency (51 TS%). He is also hasn't gotten to the line at all in two thirds of his games this season despite almost all of his shot attempts being in the paint.

i wouldnt put anything past this front office. they will likely point at the "team success" with Fultz on it to justify it.

[tiderulz]

You bring in a 6’5” expiring PG that can shoot, be a playmaker, and defend—find out if it’s a long-term fit or open up cap-space…

well, Dinwiddie can playmake. but his defense has fallen off and he cant shoot. would still be the best PG on the roster.

[AaronB]

I am happy with how the trade deadline went.

I would have rather the Magic traded for a better PG.

I most of all preferred the Magic not overpay for a PG.

Look at the deals that did not go down.

Blazers held on to Simons and Brogdon. They could have easily gotten 2nds for Brogdon and a 1st for Simons. They wanted an overpay just like they got an overpay for Dame.

Atlanta had plenty of fair offers on the table for Murray. They wanted an overpay. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes it happens. 76ers got a huge overpay for Simmons.

[Skybox]

I am happy with how the trade deadline went.

I would have rather the Magic traded for a better PG.

I most of all preferred the Magic not overpay for a PG.

Look at the deals that did not go down.

Blazers held on to Simons and Brogdon. They could have easily gotten 2nds for Brogdon and a 1st for Simons. They wanted an overpay just like they got an overpay for Dame.

Atlanta had plenty of fair offers on the table for Murray. They wanted an overpay. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes it happens. 76ers got a huge overpay for Simmons.

You may be right...I guess without knowing the ACTUAL offers and counters, we'll never know...but how much of an "overpay" is it to advance to the second round of the playoffs vs getting swept? I'd throw in the DEN pick (on top of our presumed offer) for that with the understanding that we can advance even further in the future with a good offseason. I don't see the great value in bargain-hunting in professional sports. Cole's deal was a bargain but Trevellin Queen could be slightly less impactful and a better defender. Spend the money and get better players, imo.

[JoshuaPotter]

BINGOOOOO idk how many more times you, me & MagicMatic can say the same thing. He's going to get a 1+1 deal for like 20-25M and we're going to basically run it all back with probably 1 more minor FA signing ala Ingles.

Unless his TOS situation drastically improves in the next two months and he starts shooting at least as well as he did last season there is no way in hell he is getting such a contract or anything close to it. He has made a total of 3 shots outside of 16 feet all season and is currently averaging 8.8/3.7/3.2 on horrible scoring efficiency (51 TS%). He is also hasn't gotten to the line at all in two thirds of his games this season despite almost all of his shot attempts being in the paint.

The aging dad bod of Joe Ingles got 1+1 22M.. Fultz will get something like that from our archaic FO.

It's so obvious that the front office telegraphed this plan draft night, and possibly earlier then that when we think about. I ain't saying I am a fan. I took the data Black gave me and instantly thought Black was ready to develop into the starting PG.

Then I took Fultz injury issues and expiring as a chance to get what little value we could.

Something "could" still be done. I doubt it. We are #family. The story was written through summer camp and nothing was going to change the OG plan.

We are either letting Fultz walk or getting an interim starting PG as Black develops. Looking at our record though, I see us retaining Fultz now. Can't break up the band now.

Black will get his chance the moment he plays with a bit more confidence. Just like last year watching Suggs I think we all felt like he was ready to take the leap, an offseason later he is doing great as a starting SG and still has a chance to develop. The issue with PG is that this could be a 4 year mentorship. Sickening.

[basketballRob]

I'm really happy with ABs playing time and production so far, even if he was done for the season. He's right at where players like Cole, Suggs, and AG were in their rookie seasons, and we still have around 30 games left. I can almost guarantee one of our guards will miss more time, and AB will get more time. Usually, guards improve from the beginning of their rookie season at the end of the season. I think Suggs and AB will be the starters next season.

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[JoshuaPotter]

I'm really happy with ABs playing time and production so far, even if he was done for the season. He's right at where players like Cole, Suggs, and AG were in their rookie seasons, and we still have around 30 games left. I can almost guarantee one of our guards will miss more time, and AB will get more time. Usually, guards improve from the beginning of their rookie season at the end of the season. I think Suggs and AB will be the starters next season.

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I agree. It all comes down to his development. I would be "OK" with Black playing the rest of the year. Others wouldn't be. At this rate, eventually someone will go down and Black can pick up the pieces of the player that goes down. At least theoretically.

[yoyojw17]

ask me they should be getting integrated right now....the players in front of them isn't really showing a great reason as to why the rooks shouldn't be getting minutes

The rooks aren't getting minute THIS year.... because the development of Paolo and Franz takes all priority. You can't throw in a couple of young guys and hope that their development does not interfere with the current focus. Next season.... those two guys might be both all-star potential.... Paolo already reaching it this year... and after a summer with set goals.... I would not be surprised if we are integrating them both.

How would giving some rotational minutes to a guy drafted to be a shooter on a team which badly lacks shooting hinder Paolo and Franz's development? And we already play a vet PG who completely refuses to shoot which makes Paolo and Franz's life unnecessarily difficult. If the development of Paolo and Franz took all priority we would have gotten them a PG who can actually shoot or run a pick and roll at an NBA level long ago.

We all know shooting will help. everyone knows this... but everything is not just shooting. There is a level of consistency that comes with players like fultz and wendell... that are more established. look at detroit... all young talents... looking mediocre because it's like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. will they all wright their ships i think so...but the inconsistencies across the starting lineup doesn't help. there's a lot of moving parts... different timelines... things being balanced. Needless to say... there is a rhyme and reason to it. talent level... whatever.... to their development paths. But if people want to just chalk it up to "incompetence" or "negligence" .... lol.... that's up to you.

[meatwad4343]

If the rumors are true and Atlanta looks to trade trae young in the off season are you interested and what would you give up?

[Fortune Teller]

If we re-sign a broken PG who refuses to take a shot outside the paint — and also can’t draw fouls — then we are a joke. There is no justification for settling for that.

[zaymon]

If we re-sign a broken PG who refuses to take a shot outside the paint — and also can’t draw fouls — then we are a joke. There is no justification for settling for that.

I wont believe we will resign Fultz until he is resigned. Jones is expiring and we were interested in him at the deadline.

[CarraT]

If the rumors are true and Atlanta looks to trade trae young in the off season are you interested and what would you give up?

A lot. Anything besides Franz/Paolo/Suggs, plus 3 1st round picks (Denver plus two of ours)

[RookieStar]

So several teams think ATL trades Trae in the off season.

Maybe we get in on that?

Spurs would have to be the front runner

Nope... somehow someway its gonna be the lakers..

[RookieStar]

If the rumors are true and Atlanta looks to trade trae young in the off season are you interested and what would you give up?

A lot. Anything besides Franz/Paolo/Suggs, plus 3 1st round picks (Denver plus two of ours)

You know they are still kicking themselves over that Luka-Trae swap. You can bet they expect a godfather offer.

A starting offer would probably be a Black , 3 firsts , 1 swap plus an expiring for Trae plus a bloated contract.

[RookieStar]

IF they couldn't stomach going all-in for a big hit, I really can't see how they couldn't sacrifice DEN pick (or even just srps) and Fultz or Harris (expiring) for vet shooter-even just as an experiment.

I love TOR's deal for Agbaji and Olynyk, even though many are questioning the direction. Olynyk is a pending UFA, but he is like a big Ingles...good guy, Canadian, great shooter, great passer. Now they have him in-house and, if it goes well, he's likely to stay on a team-friendly deal. Agbaji, so overlooked, is a bigger, younger Gary Harris...that's, at worst, a rotation guy who actually plays D and could become even more.

I'm kind of okay with not having the balls to fix the SL, but there's really no excuse to not improve the end of the rotation with srps and guys who shouldn't have a future with the team. AB has more ceiling than Fultz but, for now at least, they're both impotent offensively...for AB to get basically a DNP in a blow-out is ridiculous. We didn't make a move to compete and we're not making an effort to develop our in-house guys like AB and Jett

I'm not saying tank and develop ( I would have gone the other direction and drive for Top 4 for the next 5 years) but choose a f**king course.

Yeah...no. KO is what? 32-33 yrs old? He isnt gonna give a hometwon discount considering it could be THE LAST big contract he can get.

If some team offers say 2yrs 15m for him, he is already packing his bags.

[Skybox]

If we re-sign a broken PG who refuses to take a shot outside the paint — and also can’t draw fouls — then we are a joke. There is no justification for settling for that.

I wont believe we will resign Fultz until he is resigned. Jones is expiring and we were interested in him at the deadline.

We couldn't have been VERY interested...he's still there. It's not like we got outbid....

WAS traded away their starting Center for a late pick...a young guy on a good deal, who wasn't even really on the block like Tyus clearly was. Obviously, anyone on the roster, in the locker room, training room, cafeteria, etc was available. Weltman just didn't want him enough to make WAS not choose to keep him until the end of the tank season when he will walk for nothing. That shouldn't have been too hard a scenario to beat.

[SOUL]

The issue is, and has always been, the front office not choosing a singular path and optimizing towards that path.

Do they want to win? Ok great! Then use some assets at your disposal to better players in here than Fultz and Harris and Ingles.

Do they want to develop? Ok great! Then play younger guys over Fultz, Harris and Ingles and live with the consequences.

The Magic don't have a good enough team to win a playoff series, yet they're also going to head into this offseason with a bunch of money coming off the books, while still not knowing if Black and Jett are capable of replacing free agents to be Fultz and Harris in the rotation next year.

That's ultimately the problem. They wanted to try and be competitive without actually *trying* to go for it.

Doesn't this seem too binary though?

Can't this be applied to a lot of teams that drafted a young guy? Jarace in Indiana? Hawkins in NO? What are their plans for them?

I think we have a lot of data on Black. They watch these guys every day. He's started a lot of games. He can certainly do a lot defensively while his offense comes along. Jett still isn't trusted yet because of his defense, but it looks like he can be a microwave scorer. Those aren't exactly roles that will put too much pressure on them.

And our team has beat the best teams in the league, 2-0 against the defending Champs, etc.

I think it would've been really nice to get better around the edges, but I disagree with the premise that "Our players' feelings will be hurt if we make the playoffs because we will lose "