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I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#321 » by GreekAlex » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:54 pm

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GreekAlex wrote:Hopefully he “restores” the team better than he “restored” his collection of lottery busts. :lol:


nope, he hasn't learned a thing:

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Say Marvin Bagley without saying Marvin Bagley :lol:

All kidding aside, when we found Chauncey, he was a high pick that hadn’t worked out with his previous teams and was 4 seasons in the league.

We signed him for his age 26 season and the rest is history.

I think the moral of the story is find talent that didn’t work out for other reasons than lack of fundamentals and BBIQ.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#322 » by 7r5ur » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:09 pm

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GreekAlex wrote:Hopefully he “restores” the team better than he “restored” his collection of lottery busts. :lol:


nope, he hasn't learned a thing:

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I don't really have a problem with what he said or the practice of taking cheap swings on talented players in iffy situations but I do wish there was some caveat of also having them be a good fit. If we didn't have Duren on the roster or money tied to Bagley, you could see the rationale of bringing in Wiseman to swing for the fences. But you've got your starting center, and you've got money sunk into Bagley, so what's the point of wasting an asset on another athletic center that can't shoot?
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#323 » by Kilo » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:20 pm

His last two years of fa/off season trades should have had him fired this year when this team failed historically. The fact he was allowed to make trades and will be around to ruin another off season is asinine. Only this time he could lock in the ruin for 4 years with two desperation max signings.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#324 » by Snakebites » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:30 pm

Kilo wrote:His last two years of fa/off season trades should have had him fired this year when this team failed historically. The fact he was allowed to make trades and will be around to ruin another off season is asinine. Only this time he could lock in the ruin for 4 years with two desperation max signings.

Yeah. He gets flack for his deadline moves but he’s been terrible in the offseason.

He was real scared he’d lose out on Joe Harris…
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Post#325 » by Drwho17 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:59 pm

Well, I think with the leaks we are seeing coming out lately, Weaver is trying to cover himself. Monty wanted Hayes, Someone else wanted Grant moved in FO, Bojan being moved last year was vetoed., etc. Are they pointing to Tellum? We already know he's done favors for his former clients and sons clients.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#326 » by Snakebites » Fri Feb 9, 2024 6:26 pm

Drwho17 wrote:Well, I think with the leaks we are seeing coming out lately, Weaver is trying to cover himself. Monty wanted Hayes, Someone else wanted Grant moved in FO, Bojan being moved last year was vetoed., etc. Are they pointing to Tellum? We already know he's done favors for his former clients and sons clients.

We haven’t gotten explicit confirmation but you do definteky get the sense there’s friction between the power players in the front office.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#327 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Feb 9, 2024 6:31 pm

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Post#328 » by Billl » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:08 pm

I think it's been pretty clear that there has been a power struggle in leadership. Weaver didn't want monte, but got overruled by gores. Wonder what other demands Gores has been making? Maybe that's why weaver doesn't appear to be on the hotseat. He's definitely salty about something though.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#329 » by Snakebites » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:14 pm

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No Troy, last year we looked at that team and said “season’s over, get value for guys who don’t factor into the future”. We were awful towards the end of last year and shut Bogey down. Meaning the value we lost by NOT dealing him last year was lost for nothing. It was also baffling they weren’t moved in the offseason.

I think we did fine this deadline with the situation we had. But we never should have been in this spot to begin with.

Such a discouraging thing to read. He’s learned nothing.

You do get the sense there’s too many cooks in the kitchen here.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#330 » by joedumars1 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:18 pm

To many cooks in kitchen, **** gores. Just do your blow and let others do the bastkrtball
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#331 » by ComboGuardCity » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:30 pm

Damn saying you had better options last year is crazy to me.

That means he’s either very sure of his job or he’s already gone. Either way you didn’t sell high so you failed.
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Post#332 » by 7r5ur » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:35 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Damn saying you had better options last year is crazy to me.

That means he’s either very sure of his job or he’s already gone. Either way you didn’t sell high so you failed.

Or he wanted to sell last year and someone else in the FO blocked it as some rumors have suggested.

Also there is a point where “selling high” with every vet just does not work. You need vets to win, and vets tend to lose value as time goes on, naturally. Either with their contract getting shorter or abilities declining. It’s easy to say go back in time and trade them since we’ve been terrible, but at some point you need to keep vets even if their value is going to naturally dip.

So if the idea was trade Grant after a few months having signed him or flipped Bojan as soon as you traded for him, having not allowed any vets to play on this team more than a few months to maximize trade value, there would be critics for that too.

It’s also a little strange that Bojan’s value dropped all that much. His numbers are pretty comparable to last year. He still plays the same amount of defense (none). He still has the extra year next year. I guess we just got unlucky with the state of the market? No desperate teams? The risk of bringing him back seemed to be that his game would fall of at this age but it really hasn’t.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#333 » by Piston Pete » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:37 pm

Weaver just doesn’t get it.

All he knows how to do is clear cap space
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#334 » by GreekAlex » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:44 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Weaver just doesn’t get it.

All he knows how to do is clear cap space


That’s simply not true!

He’s well versed in eating bad contracts for pennies on the dollar :lol:
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#335 » by Piston Pete » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:54 pm

GreekAlex wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:Weaver just doesn’t get it.

All he knows how to do is clear cap space


That’s simply not true!

He’s well versed in eating bad contracts for pennies on the dollar :lol:


Want to clear $19 mil off your cap?

Call Weaver and offer him a 2nd rounder
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#336 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Feb 9, 2024 8:00 pm

And, Pistons let this guy go. All they had to do is let him take his chits.

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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#337 » by Mr. Krabs » Fri Feb 9, 2024 8:09 pm

give credit to weaver for admitting he could've traded Bogey for actual assets last year, instead of quantum grimps
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#338 » by bstein14 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 8:58 pm

Props to Weaver for admitting his mistake on overpaying Bagley, and correcting that mistake. I wish we would have cut ties with Hayes earlier (as in not even picking up his fourth year option) but props to Weaver for cutting him loose now. Also its not super easy to trade away your two best vets when you are horrible this year with the worst record in the league and fans have begun calling for your firing.... because moving on from those two was also the correct move for us in trying to build up our young guys with as much opportunity as possible post all-star break this year.

The draft (trading of pick) and FA (or trades using our cap space) really are make or break for Weaver though.

May 12th = NBA Draft Lottery
May 13th - 17th = NBA Draft Combine
June 26th = NBA Draft First Round
June 27th = NBA Draft Second Round
Friday June 30th @ 6PM = NBA Free Agency Begins (can negociate)
July 5th - July 14th = NBA Summer League

That's the two month stretch that will make or break Weaver remaining GM long term. If he makes the right moves over those two months the team will make the progress needed for Gores to be happy with where we are ate... if he makes the wrong moves and we're still a bottom 3 team at the end of the 2024 we'll be getting a new GM (Tellum I'm sure) moving forward.
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Post#339 » by edmunder_prc » Fri Feb 9, 2024 9:04 pm

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No Troy, last year we looked at that team and said “season’s over, get value for guys who don’t factor into the future”. We were awful towards the end of last year and shut Bogey down. Meaning the value we lost by NOT dealing him last year was lost for nothing. It was also baffling they weren’t moved in the offseason.

I think we did fine this deadline with the situation we had. But we never should have been in this spot to begin with.

Such a discouraging thing to read. He’s learned nothing.

You do get the sense there’s too many cooks in the kitchen here.


Weaver was on the hot seat I imagine and was desperate to keep anyone that could play.

Crazy thing, the team actually got worse with Cade back. Weaver just can't identify talent - zero ability. Not players, not coaches. Guy is a complete moron. I was hoping at first he was an idiot savant, listening to him speak I cant believe anyone thought - this is the guy I need to put all my trust in. Turns out he is just a standard moron.

Then, twilight zone level twist, he somehow gets to KEEP his job, to make even more mistakes.

Tom Gores playing 8D chess seeing how bad a franchise can suck.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#340 » by ComboGuardCity » Fri Feb 9, 2024 10:51 pm

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ComboGuardCity wrote:Damn saying you had better options last year is crazy to me.

That means he’s either very sure of his job or he’s already gone. Either way you didn’t sell high so you failed.

Or he wanted to sell last year and someone else in the FO blocked it as some rumors have suggested.

Also there is a point where “selling high” with every vet just does not work. You need vets to win, and vets tend to lose value as time goes on, naturally. Either with their contract getting shorter or abilities declining. It’s easy to say go back in time and trade them since we’ve been terrible, but at some point you need to keep vets even if their value is going to naturally dip.

So if the idea was trade Grant after a few months having signed him or flipped Bojan as soon as you traded for him, having not allowed any vets to play on this team more than a few months to maximize trade value, there would be critics for that too.

It’s also a little strange that Bojan’s value dropped all that much. His numbers are pretty comparable to last year. He still plays the same amount of defense (none). He still has the extra year next year. I guess we just got unlucky with the state of the market? No desperate teams? The risk of bringing him back seemed to be that his game would fall of at this age but it really hasn’t.

The problem I have with his answer is Bojan only played like 5 games after the deadline last year. Hindsight is 20/20 but it really felt like as shut down our vets at the slightest injury last year. I don’t buy it was about the product on the floor because it was dreadful towards the end of the last year. And if it was about culture, I’d rather it be guys on vet mins like Macgruder being that voice, not guys we can get value for.

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