Grade the TDL moves

[ItsDanger]

Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa (both int'l players) were chosen 28th overall. The hyperbole over the low odds for this low pick is overdone.

Spurs recently picked Keldon Johnson, Dejounte Murray and Derrick White at 29th spot.

Equating all franchises' results on draft picks is a false premise.

[BetterCallSaul]

You know what I hate about this roster/masai. He gave Derozan and Kyle way too many chances and that never worked, he lucked out and got 1 season of kawhi and we miraculously won the chip that year but he bailed which was always a risk but the amount of talent this team has lost in the last few years has been astronomical.

At one point our team was Kyle, Fred, norm , Danny green, kawhi, OG , Pascal, ibaka and Gasol.

I understand players age and stuff changes but we lost Fred for nothing, Kyle we got precious who we gave up on. Norm we swapped for Gary who ever wants gone and likely is. Pascal and OG we traded when they were half a season from free agency and got the lowest return possible. Now we are gonna pay quickley a bunch and he’s not even a top 15 pg . RJ is payed 25 mill plus and he’s not top 15 at his position plus the fact we gave up a top 10 pick likely for the right to give an average player in poeltl 20 mill. And now we’ve wasted Scottie’s 3rd year and I honestly don’t see how this roster ever competes with a Boston or any other top east teams. Pretty brutal state we’re in today. I’m glad we aren’t a team with horrible management like some franchises but our management just seems fine with mediocrity

Would you have been more happy to have Kyle on our team at 30m Fred at 42 norm at 18 and pascal and OG at 40m next year? You would be over the cap with them alone…

lol 25 mil isn’t much for Barret, considering players like brown are making double starting next year. Our pick next year is top 6 protected so we keep it if it’s 1-6.

Bostons timeline is roughly 3 years ahead of us. You dont think quickly can be better than David white in 3 years? Or RJ be close to brown? And Scottie close to tatum? This core is still too young and not near their primes.

I hate to break it to you but this is RJs 5th year in the league and he’s been playing basketball since he could walk. At this point I think he is what he is. And pretty much the same for quickley . They both went to blue blood college programs because they were elite prospects coming out, have had access to the best training programs and coaches for years. They’re not raw and ready to be coached up

RJ has been significantly better as a Raptor already though? His shot profile has changed drastically, way more shots within 3 feet with a much better success rate, basically no long mid rangers and he takes fewer threes and way more of them from the corners. There is definitely a chance he was just being squeezed out of his ideal role in New York playing next to another left handed slasher in Randle.

I find it odd when fans of the Raptors who have seen several players (notably DeMar, Kyle) reach new tiers at ages 25+ immediately scowl at any player who has been in the league until age 24. Lots of players make a leap going into their prime. Markannen is one of the best players in the league right now and for his first 5 seasons it looked like he had plateaued.

I'm still skeptical of RJ truly being this player, but he's only ever been in New York as a kid. Maybe this is exactly what he needed to reach his potential?

[ArthurVandelay]

Yes being like Utah and OKC absorb bad contract relief for picks. Bruce is the ultimate relief where new team can decline team option

I think raps have to pick up option prior to trading him.

Brown's team option date is June 29th. We can trade him before that without picking up his option.
We could also negotiate a late date if we are working on trade in the early days of free agency.

That is the old rules.

They changed in recent years so that a player can only be traded for the guaranteed amount. In this example, Brown has $0 guaranteed for next year so he has no trade value. I'm not sure if it is with team options or ETO, but theoretically they could add a guaranteed amount to the contract and then trade it for that amount. That is what was done with Chris Paul's contract last summer when it was traded with only $15m guaranteed. They then upped it twice I believe until he reached GS where they guaranteed the full 2023-2024 amount but next season is fully unguaranteed.

If Brown is getting traded, his option needs to be picked up or his contract renegotiated to include a guaranteed amount to fall in line with the CBA trade rules.

[BetterCallSaul]

Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa (both int'l players) were chosen 28th overall. The hyperbole over the low odds for this low pick is overdone.

Spurs recently picked Keldon Johnson, Dejounte Murray and Derrick White at 29th spot.

Equating all franchises' results on draft picks is a false premise.

We have the 17th and 31st pick as well though. If there's a gem to be found in the late first, we still have 1-2 cracks at it.

[Gavin_TDThree]

if we expand the TDL to include the Pascal and OG trade then I say B. The OG trade to me was an easy A, the Pascal one is a B-.

True TDL trades, I find them confusing. I like KO as much as the next person, but I don't see the point in trading for him entirely. Does he make us an instant play-in team, definitely not. Older prospect with defensive upside, I'm cool with that.

Will be as good at the 28th pick? Kessler was drafted 24th and a lot of us would have liked him on our team. Someone always slides in the draft so I'm pretty meh on moving it. Overall though I get why we did it

I'm fine with the DS trade as a pure salary dump and opening up minutes for some of the younger guys.

I would have liked to see BB and CB moved.

TDL = B? B- maybe?

[artsncrafts]

Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa (both int'l players) were chosen 28th overall. The hyperbole over the low odds for this low pick is overdone.

Spurs recently picked Keldon Johnson, Dejounte Murray and Derrick White at 29th spot.

Equating all franchises' results on draft picks is a false premise.

Its all random, you can make good picks late and you can make bad picks early.

If we choose a bust at 18 and a bust at 31 but Utah chooses a good player at 28, this has nothing to do with the trade being bad, this has to do with poor drafting. Its not like "if we had x pick Masai would have picked the superstar!" Because clearly he wouldnt have or he would have drafted them at his pick, or traded up, or traded for a pick. Late 1st and 2nds are usually very cheap on draft night so if Masai really thinks a player will be great, he can easily trade for a pick and draft them (he never does).

[dacrusha]

Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa (both int'l players) were chosen 28th overall. The hyperbole over the low odds for this low pick is overdone.

Spurs recently picked Keldon Johnson, Dejounte Murray and Derrick White at 29th spot.

Equating all franchises' results on draft picks is a false premise.

So then the Siakam trade must be an A+++ in your eyes.

[C Court]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

[DreamTeam09]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

Look where guys like Malachi Flynn & precious were selected. Getting someone who was a former lottery pick less than 24months ago is not throwing away draft picks or late first

[C Court]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

Look where guys like Malachi Flynn & precious were selected. Getting someone who was a former lottery pick less than 24months ago is not throwing away draft picks or late first

Kira Lewis Jr was a recent lottery pick. So what?

You can’t ignore the first round picks for Thad and Poeltl and pretend they were a good use of assets.

[Parataxis]

Trade deadline (so I'm not considering Siakam or OG... if you wanted those considered you shouldn't have named your thread about the Trade deadline) is a solid B.

Unspectacular, but functional. Cleared out some salary, picked up a prospect, moved on.

[2019nbachamps]

Overall I’d grade it a B. OG trade was good, Siakam trade was underwhelming, trades yesterday were neutral. Would’ve been an A if we got a better return for Pascal or traded Brown for a valuable asset. However, still too early to get a full picture. We’ll have a better sense after the draft and free agency. We’re going to be very active the next 6 months.

[DreamTeam09]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

Look where guys like Malachi Flynn & precious were selected. Getting someone who was a former lottery pick less than 24months ago is not throwing away draft picks or late first

Kira Lewis Jr was a recent lottery pick. So what?

You can’t ignore the first round picks for Thad and Poeltl and pretend they were a good use of assets.

Saying what you said without the full factual context tho makes the entire statement disingenuous is my point tho

[TheDunc]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

One of the late firsts picks value is that it can acquire a player and in this case it acquired a player thats still young but maybe more ready to contribute. If you think thats not the case then just say you dont like the player we got and state your reasons why. That would be more interesting to hear then you complaining about Masai again and again....

I like ochai ajabji's upisde as a future solid roleplayer, 3 and d type plus hes athletic and smart. I also like the addition of Kelly who probably should of been on this team years ago. Thats just a sold addition for the scraps we gave them for a late 1st pick while we still have 2 other picks to take a chance on getting a sleeper.

[C Court]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

That would be more interesting to hear than you complaining about Masai again and again.....

What are you talking about? I rarely post anymore and I generally support Masai. So how can I be complaining about Masai again and again? You’re just making stuff up.

[Pointgod]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

Look where guys like Malachi Flynn & precious were selected. Getting someone who was a former lottery pick less than 24months ago is not throwing away draft picks or late first

By this logic we should have traded a first for Johnny Davis

[pingpongrac]

C because I'm tired of Masai throwing away first round picks.

Even late firsts have value. Look at where we picked Pascal and OG.

Look where guys like Malachi Flynn & precious were selected. Getting someone who was a former lottery pick less than 24months ago is not throwing away draft picks or late first

By this logic we should have traded a first for Johnny Davis

The guy with a career 44 TS% that doesn't play a lick of defence which has resulted in no minutes on one of the worst teams in the league? Yeah, that's the same as Agbaji and his 55 TS% while being a good defender which has resulted in him playing a consistent ~20 MPG for the .500-ish Jazz.

[Dalek]

B+

Seeing how happy Kelly is to be here to be playing at home. And Ochai is in a family where Masai and Darko have his back. And the unhappy-with-his-bench-role, Dennis, is gone along with the useless guys, I give a positive grade. It is a TDL more based on feels than logic, but this is entertainment and everyone is likeable. I will be able to get through the remaining 25 games.

[mademan]

Kelly's a fine bench big and if he stays in the summer for cheap, thats a win. Not a big fan of Ochai, but he's had his moments and i wont miss the 28th pick.

TDL was fine. I'd call it a B with potential to be better if Ochai shows more here