76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[76ciology]

One last thing Paul Reed is not the answer as the back up center. He is not good lol.

No one in their right minds could have thought that Reed was an answer as backup center. He's a forward being forced to play out of position until (and unless) he stays in the league 5-6 more years and puts on a lot of weight/muscle and slows down. Not sure what kind of secret you think you've unlocked.

We should have just let him go to Utah and just sign Nerlens Noel. It would have freed us 7M of cap space.

[brannigan73]

Irrespective of the Sixers:

Lakers(Davis, LeBron) GM played NO role in both of those
Clippers(George, Kawhi, Harden) Gm played NO role in Kawhi and close to no role in giving up a farm for PG, Harden demanding a trade to LAC isnt on GM too
Cavs(Mitchell)
Suns(Durant, Beal) Beal lol
Nets(Durant, Kyrie, Harden) GM played no role in Durant/Kyrie, Harden demanding a trade to LAC isnt on GM
Raptors(Kawhi)
Bucks(Lillard, Holiday at the time acquired was borderline)
Heat(Butler)
Warriors(Durant)
Mavericks(Kyrie) lol
Knicks(Brunson... wasn't a true star at the time they signed him, but has become one, so if you want to exclude this, fine)

Most of those had nothing to do with GM. Morey landing Harden is pretty similar to Butler, Kyrie to Mavs and Kawhi to Raps, it just didnt work out as good as first two.
Our summer plans are exactly for situations like Mitchell or Durant to Suns, and some people act like it would be better to give that option up for Dejonte Murray

I didn't create the question or make the parameters, I was just answering a question. Regardless, I'm not even sure what the debate is here. All I said is that the hope when Morey was hired was that he could acquire a star player. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. Everyone was hoping that and everyone is still hoping for that.

And I think I can say that every fan when he was hired was hoping for more than he's done so far.

Durant to Suns also invovled quality young players along with multiple picks. We dont have any Mikel Bridges and Cam Johnsons to trade along with picks. Also, the Cavs had Markannen and Colin Sexton to add into the deal for Mitchell. I mean really. And I dont know anybody that wanted to spend all there draft capital on just Dejaunte Murray. I might have traded three firsts and expiring contracts for Murray and Atlanta Bogey though. By all means lets see what Morey does this offeseason I hope its worth the wait.

[Ben]

One last thing Paul Reed is not the answer as the back up center. He is not good lol.

No one in their right minds could have thought that Reed was an answer as backup center. He's a forward being forced to play out of position until (and unless) he stays in the league 5-6 more years and puts on a lot of weight/muscle and slows down. Not sure what kind of secret you think you've unlocked.

We should have just let him go to Utah and just sign Nerlens Noel. It would have freed us 7M of cap space.

Nah, what would we have used it for? Better to lock up Reed for the time being. The issue now is that we still haven't played him much outside the 5. He is not a center at this point in his career!-- not unless we're really playing small ball. He has the standing reach of a center but not the mass; he's not good enough offensively (yet) to make up for his defensive shortcomings against traditional centers. I believe that he's gonna get better but it won't be here if we keep on playing him out of position for what his current physical tools dictate.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

No one in their right minds could have thought that Reed was an answer as backup center. He's a forward being forced to play out of position until (and unless) he stays in the league 5-6 more years and puts on a lot of weight/muscle and slows down. Not sure what kind of secret you think you've unlocked.

We should have just let him go to Utah and just sign Nerlens Noel. It would have freed us 7M of cap space.

Nah, what would we have used it for? Better to lock up Reed for the time being. The issue now is that we still haven't played him much outside the 5. He is not a center at this point in his career!-- not unless we're really playing small ball. He has the standing reach of a center but not the mass; he's not good enough offensively (yet) to make up for his defensive shortcomings against traditional centers. I believe that he's gonna get better but it won't be here if we keep on playing him out of position for what his current physical tools dictate.

It's a big reason as to why we're getting murked on the boards every night. Reed plays out of position and doesn't have the size to hold it down. I can't blame Reed for this one. He's doing his best. He's a walking double double on most nights, his shot is improving, he's just not a full time center. If.... It's a big if, he can improve his shooting the. He can slide over and play the 4 with Embiid.

[76ciology]

No one in their right minds could have thought that Reed was an answer as backup center. He's a forward being forced to play out of position until (and unless) he stays in the league 5-6 more years and puts on a lot of weight/muscle and slows down. Not sure what kind of secret you think you've unlocked.

We should have just let him go to Utah and just sign Nerlens Noel. It would have freed us 7M of cap space.

Nah, what would we have used it for? Better to lock up Reed for the time being. The issue now is that we still haven't played him much outside the 5. He is not a center at this point in his career!-- not unless we're really playing small ball. He has the standing reach of a center but not the mass; he's not good enough offensively (yet) to make up for his defensive shortcomings against traditional centers. I believe that he's gonna get better but it won't be here if we keep on playing him out of position for what his current physical tools dictate.

He won't be a center, even if he gains strength; he's still too short for that position. Once he gains mass, his quickness will likely decline, providing us with better alternative options. His best chance is to develop his shooting and offensive skillset to play as a power forward, which he's been trying to do.

Even Nurse, if he's not lying, says that he reminds him of Siakam. For now, we need a different type of player as a backup center. Once Siakam develops his power forward skills and plays some backup center, that's when I think he'd be a great fit. However, if you look at the draft or trade market, you can easily find a better fit than Reed.

So, it might be a “damned if you do and damned if you don't” type of decision. Given our situation where we couldn't take our chances with the draft/trade market, we have to play it safe and have Reed while hoping that he eventually develops into a poor man’s Pascal Siakam.

[Ben]

We should have just let him go to Utah and just sign Nerlens Noel. It would have freed us 7M of cap space.

Nah, what would we have used it for? Better to lock up Reed for the time being. The issue now is that we still haven't played him much outside the 5. He is not a center at this point in his career!-- not unless we're really playing small ball. He has the standing reach of a center but not the mass; he's not good enough offensively (yet) to make up for his defensive shortcomings against traditional centers. I believe that he's gonna get better but it won't be here if we keep on playing him out of position for what his current physical tools dictate.

It's a big reason as to why we're getting murked on the boards every night. Reed plays out of position and doesn't have the size to hold it down. I can't blame Reed for this one. He's doing his best. He's a walking double double on most nights, his shot is improving, he's just not a full time center. If.... It's a big if, he can improve his shooting the. He can slide over and play the 4 with Embiid.

I feel seen.

[Foshan]

I think the hope was to play Reed more at the PF… Bambi being virtually unplayable has kinda killed that… that said they have tried it very rarely in games, I wish they would have tried it more early… maybe it just looked real bad in practice.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^I don't think it would be wise to trade or give up on Paul Reed. He was a project when we drafted him, it's going to take time. I agree that he needs to work on being more of a power forward. In order to do so his handles and shooting need to improve. That's definitely doable for him. I still consider him a "younger" player and God knows we need as many productive ones as we can get. Can we find a better backup center? Yeah, but that's not because Reed sucks, it's because Reed is not a center. He's a power forward forced to play center. But he's stuck at that position until he further develops his game.

[Ben]

We should have just let him go to Utah and just sign Nerlens Noel. It would have freed us 7M of cap space.

Nah, what would we have used it for? Better to lock up Reed for the time being. The issue now is that we still haven't played him much outside the 5. He is not a center at this point in his career!-- not unless we're really playing small ball. He has the standing reach of a center but not the mass; he's not good enough offensively (yet) to make up for his defensive shortcomings against traditional centers. I believe that he's gonna get better but it won't be here if we keep on playing him out of position for what his current physical tools dictate.

He won't be a center, even if he gains strength; he's still too short for that position. Once he gains mass, his quickness will likely decline, providing us with better alternative options. His best chance is to develop his shooting and offensive skillset to play as a power forward, which he's been trying to do.

Even Nurse, if he's not lying, says that he reminds him of Siakam. For now, we need a different type of player as a backup center. Once Siakam develops his power forward skills and plays some backup center, that's when I think he'd be a great fit. However, if you look at the draft or trade market, you can easily find a better fit than Reed.

So, it might be a “damned if you do and damned if you don't” type of decision. Given our situation where we couldn't take our chances with the draft/trade market, we have to play it safe and have Reed while hoping that he eventually develops into a poor man’s Pascal Siakam.

I don't think that height is the operative factor. He has a standing reach of 9' 1.5". That, plus mass, are the main factors for being able to defend centers (if one includes the basic smarts sufficient required to learn the position). You don't defend with the top of your head but with your legs, chest, and the top of your reach. I find it ironic that we have some posters who lauded the Celtics for allegedly finding their backup center of the future in Xavier Tillman Jr, who has a 3.5" shorter standing reach than Reed (and is 2 inches shorter without shoes) but who weighs more and can use his bulk. Tillman can indeed play center and so can Reed... if/when he puts on bulk. But not now. We need patience with him, but with Embiid's closing window we might not be able to exercise it.

EDIT: Taj Gibson has similar measurements, just a tiny bit shorter standing reach. Taj put on weight over his career and routinely plays center now, but wasn't slotted into that spot until many years into his pro career.

[76ciology]

Nah, what would we have used it for? Better to lock up Reed for the time being. The issue now is that we still haven't played him much outside the 5. He is not a center at this point in his career!-- not unless we're really playing small ball. He has the standing reach of a center but not the mass; he's not good enough offensively (yet) to make up for his defensive shortcomings against traditional centers. I believe that he's gonna get better but it won't be here if we keep on playing him out of position for what his current physical tools dictate.

He won't be a center, even if he gains strength; he's still too short for that position. Once he gains mass, his quickness will likely decline, providing us with better alternative options. His best chance is to develop his shooting and offensive skillset to play as a power forward, which he's been trying to do.

Even Nurse, if he's not lying, says that he reminds him of Siakam. For now, we need a different type of player as a backup center. Once Siakam develops his power forward skills and plays some backup center, that's when I think he'd be a great fit. However, if you look at the draft or trade market, you can easily find a better fit than Reed.

So, it might be a “damned if you do and damned if you don't” type of decision. Given our situation where we couldn't take our chances with the draft/trade market, we have to play it safe and have Reed while hoping that he eventually develops into a poor man’s Pascal Siakam.

I don't think that height is the operative factor. He has a standing reach of 9' 1.5". That, plus mass, are the main factors for being able to defend centers (if one includes the basic smarts sufficient required to learn the position). You don't defend with the top of your head but with your legs, chest, and the top of your reach. I find it ironic that we have some posters who lauded the Celtics for allegedly finding their backup center of the future in Xavier Tillman Jr, who has a 3.5" shorter standing reach than Reed (and is 2 inches shorter without shoes) but who weighs more and can use his bulk. Tillman can indeed play center and so can Reed... if/when he puts on bulk. But not now. We need patience with him, but with Embiid's closing window we might not be able to exercise it.

EDIT: Taj Gibson has similar measurements, just a tiny bit shorter standing reach. Taj put on weight over his career and routinely plays center now, but wasn't slotted into that spot until many years into his pro career.

I understand and agree with a lot of what you said. I just don't see him attaining the physique of Tillman. His build is more comparable to those rail-thin players, where his height should resemble more of Jarett Allen or Nic Claxton.

Considering Reed’s height, his physique should align more with Tillman or Draymond? And even those two plays with another big most time. There's no rule for this, and it's just my preference.

[Ben]

He won't be a center, even if he gains strength; he's still too short for that position. Once he gains mass, his quickness will likely decline, providing us with better alternative options. His best chance is to develop his shooting and offensive skillset to play as a power forward, which he's been trying to do.

Even Nurse, if he's not lying, says that he reminds him of Siakam. For now, we need a different type of player as a backup center. Once Siakam develops his power forward skills and plays some backup center, that's when I think he'd be a great fit. However, if you look at the draft or trade market, you can easily find a better fit than Reed.

So, it might be a “damned if you do and damned if you don't” type of decision. Given our situation where we couldn't take our chances with the draft/trade market, we have to play it safe and have Reed while hoping that he eventually develops into a poor man’s Pascal Siakam.

I don't think that height is the operative factor. He has a standing reach of 9' 1.5". That, plus mass, are the main factors for being able to defend centers (if one includes the basic smarts sufficient required to learn the position). You don't defend with the top of your head but with your legs, chest, and the top of your reach. I find it ironic that we have some posters who lauded the Celtics for allegedly finding their backup center of the future in Xavier Tillman Jr, who has a 3.5" shorter standing reach than Reed (and is 2 inches shorter without shoes) but who weighs more and can use his bulk. Tillman can indeed play center and so can Reed... if/when he puts on bulk. But not now. We need patience with him, but with Embiid's closing window we might not be able to exercise it.

EDIT: Taj Gibson has similar measurements, just a tiny bit shorter standing reach. Taj put on weight over his career and routinely plays center now, but wasn't slotted into that spot until many years into his pro career.

I understand and agree with a lot of what you said. I just don't see him attaining the physique of Tillman. His build is more comparable to those rail-thin players, where his height should resemble more of Jarett Allen or Nic Claxton.

Considering Reed’s height, his physique should align more with Tillman or Draymond? And even those two plays with another big most time. There's no rule for this, and it's just my preference.

I feel you, and we agree in not seeing him a center any time very soon, regardless. IMO if he stays in the league for 5 years he'll play center, but that's not really our concern right now. It's where he can contribute in the near future, and we agree that that's not gonna be at center unless it's in and against a small ball lineup. Right now he's a forward and he should be put in a position to develop as one.

[76ciology]

Kelly Oubre has been shooting just 32% from 3 this season. But he shoots 38.8% from corner 3. He’s also shooting a lot better from upper right side of the arc.

[M2J]

He won't be a center, even if he gains strength; he's still too short for that position. Once he gains mass, his quickness will likely decline, providing us with better alternative options. His best chance is to develop his shooting and offensive skillset to play as a power forward, which he's been trying to do.

Even Nurse, if he's not lying, says that he reminds him of Siakam. For now, we need a different type of player as a backup center. Once Siakam develops his power forward skills and plays some backup center, that's when I think he'd be a great fit. However, if you look at the draft or trade market, you can easily find a better fit than Reed.

So, it might be a “damned if you do and damned if you don't” type of decision. Given our situation where we couldn't take our chances with the draft/trade market, we have to play it safe and have Reed while hoping that he eventually develops into a poor man’s Pascal Siakam.

I don't think that height is the operative factor. He has a standing reach of 9' 1.5". That, plus mass, are the main factors for being able to defend centers (if one includes the basic smarts sufficient required to learn the position). You don't defend with the top of your head but with your legs, chest, and the top of your reach. I find it ironic that we have some posters who lauded the Celtics for allegedly finding their backup center of the future in Xavier Tillman Jr, who has a 3.5" shorter standing reach than Reed (and is 2 inches shorter without shoes) but who weighs more and can use his bulk. Tillman can indeed play center and so can Reed... if/when he puts on bulk. But not now. We need patience with him, but with Embiid's closing window we might not be able to exercise it.

EDIT: Taj Gibson has similar measurements, just a tiny bit shorter standing reach. Taj put on weight over his career and routinely plays center now, but wasn't slotted into that spot until many years into his pro career.

I understand and agree with a lot of what you said. I just don't see him attaining the physique of Tillman. His build is more comparable to those rail-thin players, where his height should resemble more of Jarett Allen or Nic Claxton.

Considering Reed’s height, his physique should align more with Tillman or Draymond? And even those two plays with another big most time. There's no rule for this, and it's just my preference.

I was villanized for realizing Reed sucked as a center long ago. It's not even about how he defends bigger centers, he's not the brightest small ball defender on switches, and can't protect the rim most importantly. He's actually soft much of the time.

I think he'd be better as a 4, but his skills state he can only be on the court setting screens on the other side of the floor from Joel or in the dunker spot. Yet again defensively, I wouldn't love him defending most wings. Only benefit is he would fill the role of secondary rim protector, which could allow Joel to be more aggressive.

But overall he's not an ideal backup center, because he typically can only play good defense when his teammates are playing pretty well in front of him, but many of his teammates are backups for a reason.

[Foshan]

when can waived guys be added?

[Jhawk03]

when can waived guys be added?

After the Lakers pick up Dinwiddie

[the_process]

So for a possible Jo return... They are home April 2nd against OKC, but then immediately go on a 3 game road trip. I think they would wait until after the road trip. Maybe Jo is working out during the road trip trying to get back in shape. They close with three home games: 9th DET, 12th ORL, 14th BKN.

Looking at the schedule, it's hard to imagine they don't fall to tenth. That means they will play at Chicago in the 9-10 game, and then if they win that it will be at Orlando in the 8th seed game. Win that and Boston 1st round.

So that would be 10 games at the most and another ass kicking from Boston. No thank you. Jo should not come back this year.

Morey is busy anyway, he needs to get a head start on the summer. So stop leaking to the media and get much better at tampering.

[youngcrev]

So for a possible Jo return... They are home April 2nd against OKC, but then immediately go on a 3 game road trip. I think they would wait until after the road trip. Maybe Jo is working out during the road trip trying to get back in shape. They close with three home games: 9th DET, 12th ORL, 14th BKN.

Looking at the schedule, it's hard to imagine they don't fall to tenth. That means they will play at Chicago in the 9-10 game, and then if they win that it will be at Orlando in the 8th seed game. Win that and Boston 1st round.

So that would be 10 games at the most and another ass kicking from Boston. No thank you. Jo should not come back this year.

Morey is busy anyway, he needs to get a head start on the summer. So stop leaking to the media and get much better at tampering.

It's hard to imagine? They've got a 7.5 game lead on the Hawks with 31 to go. You can't imagine a world where the 23-29 Hawks can't figure out a way to surpass them in the standings?

As bad as the Sixers look right now, they'll get guys back and be able to win some games.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

So for a possible Jo return... They are home April 2nd against OKC, but then immediately go on a 3 game road trip. I think they would wait until after the road trip. Maybe Jo is working out during the road trip trying to get back in shape. They close with three home games: 9th DET, 12th ORL, 14th BKN.

Looking at the schedule, it's hard to imagine they don't fall to tenth. That means they will play at Chicago in the 9-10 game, and then if they win that it will be at Orlando in the 8th seed game. Win that and Boston 1st round.

So that would be 10 games at the most and another ass kicking from Boston. No thank you. Jo should not come back this year.

Morey is busy anyway, he needs to get a head start on the summer. So stop leaking to the media and get much better at tampering.

It's hard to imagine? They've got a 7.5 game lead on the Hawks with 31 to go. You can't imagine a world where the 23-29 Hawks can't figure out a way to surpass them in the standings?

As bad as the Sixers look right now, they'll get guys back and be able to win some games.

IDK man, in two weeks we pretty much went from 29-13 to 30-21. We're in trouble right now, and even minus Jo alone, we've struggled to win games. I have us going 6-25 the rest of the way. The schedule is brutal to finish this season. That puts us at 36-46 to close out the year. I know that's a negative outlook on things, but that's how I see it going down.

[Bum Adebayo]

Kelly Oubre has been shooting just 32% from 3 this season. But he shoots 38.8% from corner 3. He’s also shooting a lot better from upper right side of the arc.

A bit of a meaningless stat without context, he has been drawing the attention of defenses and has been forced to take worse shots, also he is just having a bad shooting streak, it will improve in the next games.

[zaz102]

Can we agree now that we basically punted on the season? No magical buy outs are coming to allow us to stay in the top 6. Morey wants to add a third star in the offseason and Embiid isnt healthy so he decided to put this year out of its misery. I know Maxey didn't play tonight but we couldnt get one win against Brooklyn, Golden State, and Atlanta at home. We have quite a few games left against Boston, Milwaukee, Cleveland and New York. If I had to set the over and under on this team right now for wins assuming Embiid is back in the last two tweeks of March somewhere it would be 41 wins and I would be betting under. But hey we have a magical off-season to look forward to! Just thinkin' about tommorrow clears away the cobwebs and the sorrow till theres none! One last thing Paul Reed is not the answer as the back up center. He is not good lol.

I mostly agree. They obviously didn't use their most prized assets from the Harden trade to improve nor did they trade expirings for overpaid, longer signed, better players. They certainly aren't maximizing their chances this season.

However, not sure if I can say they punted as they were one of the top teams before Embiid got hurt and injuries/illnesses plagued the team. In addition, they did marginally improve at the deadline. I feel they are basically feeling that Embiid is a wildcard that will always gives them a chance to compete albeit at low odds.

Even though I disagree with you with what moves they should've made at the deadline, I definitely feel the frustration. No doubt this has been a frustrating season after the Harden debacle, and then the team looking so good at the beginning of the season, and then the Embiid injury and nose dive in the standings. Add that with absolutely no certainty of a star player being available. Not fun...