Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[VFX]

lol if we are casually beating a 1-2-3 seed because we got tyus jones or a decent shooter, they would've gone all in for much more.. very much easier said than done though. more than likely franz isn't as effective (doesn't play that well against the more physical teams yet), paolo's indecisiveness as an inside player gets exposed and youth is still an issue, and we still have a bunch of up and down shooters in the playoffs.

i wanted moves made, but i think people are also overstating what bringing in tyus + another shooter actually does for this team (i'm talking short-term, this season.. we absolutely need shooting and better PG long term) .. it would legit take a murray sort of move or even better to be a surprise playoff team that wins the first round.

How would you know until you actually saw it on the floor?

This organization hasn’t had a real point guard in more than a decade.

[thelead]

For the record, I’m not saying Murray is better than Trae. I would just prefer a player like Murray over Trae. Personalities and extras aside. A lot of it is just physical attributes and athleticism. Which is why I mentioned Mitchell being a better target than Trae.

[CocoaFan]

Keep in mind, most of those players actually won't hit FA.
I just want to illustrate how dry FA is, and in this FA you will be tasked to spend money worth near max.

Claxton and Malik Monk. Get er gone. If you do a comparison of Malik Monk and Anfernee Simons per 36 minutes their numbers are very close with Monk being a little better shooter. He's also much more of a dog and leader in the clubhouse.

[Skybox]

Keep in mind, most of those players actually won't hit FA.
I just want to illustrate how dry FA is, and in this FA you will be tasked to spend money worth near max.

Claxton and Malik Monk. Get er gone. If you do a comparison of Malik Monk and Anfernee Simons per 36 minutes their numbers are very close with Monk being a little better shooter. He's also much more of a dog and leader in the clubhouse.

that would be a nice summer...would have some follow-up chips to play with too (WCJ or Goga SnT, Jett coming on, Cole, picks...). I wonder what Monk could do with the ball really in his hands, for the first time in his career? He'll never have that in SAC, could be a very attractive opportunity in ORL for him...and he could be just at the right point in his career to make the most of it. He's buddies with Fox, but that only goes so far - these guys all have incredible self-belief and ambition.

Claxton, WCJ, M. Wagner
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, Ingles, Houstan
Suggs, Cole, Kevon or Queen
Monk, Black, Dunn?

[fendilim]

For the record, I’m not saying Murray is better than Trae. I would just prefer a player like Murray over Trae. Personalities and extras aside. A lot of it is just physical attributes and athleticism. Which is why I mentioned Mitchell being a better target than Trae.

Would definitely prefer murray too.

I think he fits better with paolo and franz than trae.

Trae is so polarizing as a player.

Murray also fits the archetype that weltman is looking into. Tall and lengthy decision maker. Trae isnt.

[RichCollab]

I give the FO an A. They have stuck to a plan and have been rewarded with the development of our young core.

[RichCollab]

I don’t get the obsession with Claxton. Give me a center who can guard the 3pt line any day over a player who is a shot blocker.

Denver had a shot blocker? Claxton doesn’t have a high BBIQ and gets in foul trouble in key moments.

I’m pro keeping the bigs we have now the next two years as we sure up our guard rotation.

[89Magicfan]

Know it’s not a trade but what about taking a flyer on Bouknight?

[Knightro]

Know it’s not a trade but what about taking a flyer on Bouknight?

We already have three guys younger than him buried on the bench.

[thelead]

Know it’s not a trade but what about taking a flyer on Bouknight?

We already have three guys younger than him buried on the bench.

and Bouknight is.... not a bright guy to put it nicely

[eyriq]

I don’t get the obsession with Claxton. Give me a center who can guard the 3pt line any day over a player who is a shot blocker.

Denver had a shot blocker? Claxton doesn’t have a high BBIQ and gets in foul trouble in key moments.

I’m pro keeping the bigs we have now the next two years as we sure up our guard rotation.

He's a legit defensive anchor.

[CocoaFan]

I think we need a 3-and-D guard. We can't get a poor defending guard with no rim protection in our starting lineup. That's why AB might be a better starter for the team than Fultz. Fultz plays a good free safety type defense, but he isn't good at keeping players in front of him, and he definitely isn't hitting 3s.

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who do you think should be the target in the offseason? me personally i looked over the names becoming free agents and i'm not really seeing anyone super exciting...what are your thoughts?

Claxton and Malik Monk

[eyriq]

We've got three lottery picks invested in this backcourt. If we make any major investments in the backcourt via trade or free agency I'll be surprised.

[Magic#1]

We've got three lottery picks invested in this backcourt. If we make any major investments in the backcourt via trade or free agency I'll be surprised.

You could also argue that some of those picks are our best trade assets. If a big star becomes available in the next year or two, we have pieces to make a competitive offer.

[yoyojw17]

Keep in mind, most of those players actually won't hit FA.
I just want to illustrate how dry FA is, and in this FA you will be tasked to spend money worth near max.

Claxton and Malik Monk. Get er gone. If you do a comparison of Malik Monk and Anfernee Simons per 36 minutes their numbers are very close with Monk being a little better shooter. He's also much more of a dog and leader in the clubhouse.

I can get along with that off-season. But a person I would target before monk would still be a trade of salary cap + pick/goga+pick/ something for Caruso. I just like the guy. He's a no nonsense type player... that brings that dog to the game.... knows his role on the court. He's an efficient shooter around the entire court and currently still a better defender than suggs.

Just imagine a team of Caruso, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Claxton... I believe in Suggs, Franz, Paolo making continuous strides forward offensively. But the defense could be on a totally different level. From a financial standpoint... that would also leave us with decent flexibility. Plus... black comes into his own.... he can take the wheel as well afterwards.

[fendilim]

Keep in mind, most of those players actually won't hit FA.
I just want to illustrate how dry FA is, and in this FA you will be tasked to spend money worth near max.

Claxton and Malik Monk. Get er gone. If you do a comparison of Malik Monk and Anfernee Simons per 36 minutes their numbers are very close with Monk being a little better shooter. He's also much more of a dog and leader in the clubhouse.

I can get along with that off-season. But a person I would target before monk would still be a trade of salary cap + pick/goga+pick/ something for Caruso. I just like the guy. He's a no nonsense type player... that brings that dog to the game.... knows his role on the court. He's an efficient shooter around the entire court and currently still a better defender than suggs.

Just imagine a team of Caruso, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Claxton... I believe in Suggs, Franz, Paolo making continuous strides forward offensively. But the defense could be on a totally different level. From a financial standpoint... that would also leave us with decent flexibility. Plus... black comes into his own.... he can take the wheel as well afterwards.

I like caruso but the price they are looking for in exchange is reportedly quite high, given his age.

[Skybox]

Claxton and Malik Monk. Get er gone. If you do a comparison of Malik Monk and Anfernee Simons per 36 minutes their numbers are very close with Monk being a little better shooter. He's also much more of a dog and leader in the clubhouse.

I can get along with that off-season. But a person I would target before monk would still be a trade of salary cap + pick/goga+pick/ something for Caruso. I just like the guy. He's a no nonsense type player... that brings that dog to the game.... knows his role on the court. He's an efficient shooter around the entire court and currently still a better defender than suggs.

Just imagine a team of Caruso, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Claxton... I believe in Suggs, Franz, Paolo making continuous strides forward offensively. But the defense could be on a totally different level. From a financial standpoint... that would also leave us with decent flexibility. Plus... black comes into his own.... he can take the wheel as well afterwards.

I like caruso but the price they are looking for in exchange is reportedly quite high, given his age.

That team would struggle to score 80 points. Caruso is the most overhyped role player in the league. He's good but Suggs is already better than him on both ends. Just not what we need.

Don't look for a 40% 3pt shooter without examining volume and overall scoring. We need an impactful offensive guard, not another defensive-minded veteran role player hitting a career high of 10ppg. That lineup doesn't have anyone close to a PG...I WISH Suggs was, but he isn't. He'd be playing PG NOW if he was...look at our roster.

[Skybox]

this is the one that irks me most...
Mavs get:
Daniel Gafford

Wizards get:
Richaun Holmes
2024 first-round pick (from Mavs via Thunder)

Could've been ORL 24 (which is better) and Goga...we'd have cost certainty, much improved defense and we'd be evaluating fit between Isaac, WCJ, Gafford, M. Wagner - in combination with our core guys, so that we could make really informed decisions this summer about who's odd man out or who fits best in what combination. Then we could address our guard situation - which is the primary area that limits ORL. DAL, with very limited assets and cap space, casually reached out and plucked two very good players in Gafford and PJ Washington for very little. Claxton is super high profile, but Gafford isn't really that far off...and his cost is much lower. Gafford also doesn't have the abysmal FT% that can take Centers out of the end of games.

Sidenote: DAL is f**ked if it doesn't work out as they have absolutely mortgaged themselves for the next decade - but they are in it to win it with the necessity of keeping their generational star engaged. But the Gafford deal stands alone as a "should have" for me.

Imagine if we'd done this AND sent ORL 26 frp, ORL 29frp and DEN 25 frp with Fultz & Harris for Dejounte?

Fighting for 4th seed with a young, demonically defensive team with offensive upside up and down the roster.

[pepe1991]

Soul stop giving me +1 i'm starting to question my own opinions

[eyriq]

The big question I have for this off-season is if we add a significant contract before the window closes due to Suggs/Franz extensions?

If we do, I hope they target the center position. This won't take the ball out of Franz's and Paolo's hands, and it won't block AB, Suggs, or Jett.

If we don't it will present a super interesting counterfactual talking point for seasons to come. It's pretty close to a "use it or lose it" asset that is extremely valuable.