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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#201 » by wilson115 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:23 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Watching Cody Williams for the first time and he has had a below average game so far. Just shows you how weak this draft is when Williams is one of the projected top picks.

Risacher has gained on Williams for me.

I'm fine with Risacher, but--without Cody--Colorado lost by 47 the last time they met Arizona. And Cody is only on his second game back after taking an elbow to the face in practice (why the mask). I still have Cody above Risacher and Ron Holland because of his ability to get his own shot and passing, think the shooting comes along like it did for guys like Anunoby who shot horribly in college.

That said, since many people call this a weak draft, maybe that gives an opening for specialists like Sheppard. Not as well-rounded but the things he absolutely is good at, he's historically good at.

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#202 » by lmcguir15 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:48 pm

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JustBuzzin wrote:If Mark needs back surgery I think Sarr should and will be the pick.

If not I still like Cody Williams.

Sarr will get bullied in the post, he need to be next to a strong centre



Also, drafting for need is usually not the best process. Just get the best prospect and figure it out later.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#203 » by JMAC3 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:15 pm

My current board right now is...
1. Holland
2. Cody Williams
3. Alex Sarr
4. Risacher
....
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big drop
5. Walter
6. Topic
7. Buzelis
8. Collier
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another drop
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#204 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:25 pm

My board is Topic #1 overall or bust.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#205 » by JMAC3 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:43 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:My board is Topic #1 overall or bust.


He hasn't played in 2024 because of knee injury, how serious is that?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#206 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:49 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:My board is Topic #1 overall or bust.


He hasn't played in 2024 because of knee injury, how serious is that?


Nick Smith Jr. crashed for similar reasons.

He's 6th in 3PT% in the NBA, 1st in his draft class.

I concede your knock on Scoot being shot selection, but that is not an issue with Topic. He's a better playmaker, smarter shotmaker, bigger body though less a freak athlete.

I want a team where our PG is so pure that LaMelo is the secondary playmaker. And if his ankles don't hold up, you have someone like Mcic or Mann as next man up instead of Theo Maledon.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#207 » by JMAC3 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:48 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:My board is Topic #1 overall or bust.


He hasn't played in 2024 because of knee injury, how serious is that?


Nick Smith Jr. crashed for similar reasons.

He's 6th in 3PT% in the NBA, 1st in his draft class.

I concede your knock on Scoot being shot selection, but that is not an issue with Topic. He's a better playmaker, smarter shotmaker, bigger body though less a freak athlete.

I want a team where our PG is so pure that LaMelo is the secondary playmaker. And if his ankles don't hold up, you have someone like Mcic or Mann as next man up instead of Theo Maledon.


My worries with Topic are outside shooting, athleticism, defense. I think he has some upside as a playmaker for sure, probably will be a good scorer as a rookie.

Ron Holland for instance is a top 5% athlete, a stud defender in terms of steals/blocks and another guy that would benefit from LaMelo playmaking. I think we need to add a defender to the starting lineup around Melo, Miller and Miles.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#208 » by amcoolio » Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:54 pm

We need a big, point of attack defender wing, and a skilled center. That's why I'd be thrilled with Williams, Sarr or Risacher. I don't know much about Holland
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#209 » by red_power » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:12 pm

KingCat wrote:I really need someone to talk me out of Holland. I see all the red flags. I see ignite is a crapshow, but I just can't look away from the potential of this kid.

My brain says get a smart guy who can shoot (Reed, Risacher) but heart can't look past Holland.

When official measurement come out and it turns out he is actually 6'8, I may lose it.

I don't know what's the fuss about Holland.

- Inefficient scorer (and yes, he's playing for Ignite!)
- Weak 3 point shot
- Bad AST/TO ratio
- Average rebounder
- Average size

IMO he looks like a middle ground between JJJ and Jabari Walker. Solid pro if he has good durability but not much more.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#210 » by JMAC3 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:14 pm

Holland averaging 3.2 steals + blocks per game. 6-8 freak athlete. He might be a bit raw shooting wise to start his career, but I think if we drafted and brought him up as a defender first then he would be awesome on the wing.

Can probably play 2-4 right now in an NBA game.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#211 » by JMAC3 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:16 pm

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KingCat wrote:I really need someone to talk me out of Holland. I see all the red flags. I see ignite is a crapshow, but I just can't look away from the potential of this kid.

My brain says get a smart guy who can shoot (Reed, Risacher) but heart can't look past Holland.

When official measurement come out and it turns out he is actually 6'8, I may lose it.

I don't know what's the fuss about Holland.

- Inefficient scorer (and yes, he's playing on Ignite!)
- Weak 3 point shot
- Bad AST/TO ratio
- Average rebounder
- Average size

IMO he looks like a middle ground between JJJ and Jabari Walker. Solid pro if he has good durability but not much more.


He is 6-8 and can play 2-4, not sure how that is average size. Will be 18 on draft night and just had a game with 26/11/6. Had an a 8 assist game a few weeks ago.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#212 » by red_power » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:21 pm

You should never forget that another freak wingman athlete who doesn't play really great basketball might end up being another MKG at the NBA level
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#213 » by JMAC3 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:31 pm



Here is a good video that shows the good and the bad of Holland.
- He is spastic, doesn't seem like he has caught up to his body yet.
- Handle is a bit loose.
- Shot is still work in progress.
- Pretty good passing vision for a guy his age, position, size
- Aggressive going to basket.
- Some defense ability and is all over the place.

I doubt he wins ROY because he is raw still, but when compared to the other prospects in this class I think his ceiling is the highest.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#214 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:24 pm

Let's put it this way.

I want the smartest basketball player on the basketball court in the draft, not the most gifted on either end or both ends.

Unearth the gem and the rest will take care of itself. The smartest player is going to elevate the talent of every Hornet, so collectively the draft generates a greater share of NBA wins.

I don't want to limit the pick by fixating on individual talents matched with team needs.

We see the benefits already of an overhaul of IQ.

Keep it going. Double down.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#215 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:39 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Let's put it this way.

I want the smartest basketball player on the basketball court in the draft, not the most gifted on either end or both ends.

Unearth the gem and the rest will take care of itself. The smartest player is going to elevate the talent of every Hornet, so collectively the draft generates a greater share of NBA wins.

I don't want to limit the pick by fixating on individual talents matched with team needs.

We see the benefits already of an overhaul of IQ.

Keep it going. Double down.

To me that is Risacher or Williams.

Risacher just seems like the most mature ready now player in the draft. He's playing against grown men and holding his own. He can be a terrific system player who just makes the right play. We already have our stars in Melo/Miller. Now it's a about adding winning high IQ players around them.

I would be happy if we end up with Risacher or Williams.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#216 » by SWedd523 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:44 pm

red_power wrote:You should never forget that another freak wingman athlete who doesn't play really great basketball might end up being another MKG at the NBA level
(sorry if that offends you)

*Puts on Devil's Advocate Hat*

Or that another freak wingman athlete who doesn't play really great basketball might end up being another Giannis at the NBA level (sorry if that offends you)

I personally don't have the gift of foresight, nor do I have any idea about really any of these draftees.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#217 » by amcoolio » Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pm

Risacher is going to be the #1 pick at this rate though
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#218 » by Goodecharlotte » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:14 am

We'll probably get the 1st pick anyway because it's the weakest draft for years
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#219 » by JustBuzzin » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:54 am

amcoolio wrote:Risacher is going to be the #1 pick at this rate though

He's the current favorite to go #1.

He looks legit though. Obviously not a superstar, but I can see him as a Manu kind of player. His ball handling can improve but he has the shot. There is room for growth. Just like Miller.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#220 » by SWedd523 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:17 am

I see this Reed Sheppard kid has fantastic stats

but I don't like his face
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