Cavs Off-season Plan?

[SNPA]

What is it?

Looks like they are about to be very expensive. Mobley will need his money soon. Does something have to give? If so…who is going to be on the move? And what would the Cavs want?

[ThatBoyNick]

Seems crazy to sell from a serious contender, LeVert and Strus should be the guys outgoing, replace them with vet mins. If they had to, Garland seems like the weakest link.

[jbk1234]

Obviously, the Cavs will have to see how the playoffs go and whether Mitchell extends, but they have another year of Mobley on a rookie contract and LeVert will be expiring next season so money isn't any type of immediate concern. Having two players on rookie max deals gives you a lot more leeway than having 70-80% of your cap tied up on two older vets. Gilbert isn't afraid of the tax. The core won't be broken up solely due to financial reasons.

[toooskies]

Have a parade?

Pursue LeBron?

Use their draft pick, their 2031 pick, and salaries for ???

Bring Okoro back or duck the tax?

Hard to say.

[SNPA]

Obviously, the Cavs will have to see how the playoffs go and whether Mitchell extends, but they have another year of Mobley on a rookie contract and LeVert will be expiring next season so money isn't any type of immediate concern. Having two players on rookie max deals gives you a lot more leeway than having 70-80% of your cap tied up on two older vets. Gilbert isn't afraid of the tax. The core won't be broken up solely due to financial reasons.

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

[tidho]

Being extremely expensive isn't necessarily an issue for CLE. Next year they go over the line, but are probably ok with that happening.

Only TT and Damien Jones are free agents. They let them leave. Okoro is a RFA, they match him.

Then they make the evaluation on Mitchell. If he won't extend and/or has another dud playoffs (even with substantial improvement around him) then they likely look to move him for a different high end, but better fitting, player.

[jbk1234]

Obviously, the Cavs will have to see how the playoffs go and whether Mitchell extends, but they have another year of Mobley on a rookie contract and LeVert will be expiring next season so money isn't any type of immediate concern. Having two players on rookie max deals gives you a lot more leeway than having 70-80% of your cap tied up on two older vets. Gilbert isn't afraid of the tax. The core won't be broken up solely due to financial reasons.

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

[SNPA]

Obviously, the Cavs will have to see how the playoffs go and whether Mitchell extends, but they have another year of Mobley on a rookie contract and LeVert will be expiring next season so money isn't any type of immediate concern. Having two players on rookie max deals gives you a lot more leeway than having 70-80% of your cap tied up on two older vets. Gilbert isn't afraid of the tax. The core won't be broken up solely due to financial reasons.

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

They are absolutely rolling, no doubt. But there are structural issues long term. I’m just curious if there is a prevailing theory on how they adjust moving forward. Winning a title with two small guards taking up half the cap is not precedented.

Garland would at first look seem to be the odd man out but look around the league and see how big his market is. Kings went through this a couple seasons ago with Fox, the market is narrow and that hurts leverage and thus return value.

Whats Okoro go for this summer? Where’s that put them when Mobley is due?

[toooskies]

Obviously, the Cavs will have to see how the playoffs go and whether Mitchell extends, but they have another year of Mobley on a rookie contract and LeVert will be expiring next season so money isn't any type of immediate concern. Having two players on rookie max deals gives you a lot more leeway than having 70-80% of your cap tied up on two older vets. Gilbert isn't afraid of the tax. The core won't be broken up solely due to financial reasons.

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

They continue to employ the guys on the roster, with the likely exception of LeVert when his deal is up.

Garland is on a 25% max, Mitchell can't make over 30%, Mobley may not get a max (or only get a 25% max) and Allen is well below a max. They have more room than, say the Clippers if their guys are on 35% maxes.

They count on Craig Porter Jr, Emoni Bates, Isaiah Mobley, Luke Travers, Pete Nance, and other recent 2nds/UDFAs to pan out into two or three rotation guys on cheap salary.

[Ell Curry]

I think because it makes sense for Mitchell to not sign an extension (he can get more money for more years by waiting and he already has got like 180M guaranteed in his career so he has security) the Cavs will have to deal him. They just can't risk losing him for nothing and have no picks to add wings to a Garland-Mobley-Allen core.

So my guess is he does get moved this summer, even if it's just for Reaves, Hachimura/Russell and 3 Lakers firsts or a similarly meh offer from Miami (Rozier, Jacquez, 2 firsts at least gets them a wing and a 6th man guard and then they can use the picks to trade for a starting 2 guard).

The other option is Mitchell say recruits Ingram and they flip Garland for Ingram, who signs a max extension and you've got a really nice Mitchell-Ingram-Mobley-Allen core 4, and sets up the Pels nicely for the future with Garland-Daniels-Murphy-Jones-Zion and they're using McCollum's massive expiring and picks in a year or so to get a quality center.

[cgf]

TBD pending the postseason.

[jbk1234]

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

They are absolutely rolling, no doubt. But there are structural issues long term. I’m just curious if there is a prevailing theory on how they adjust moving forward. Winning a title with two small guards taking up half the cap is not precedented.

Garland would at first look seem to be the odd man out but look around the league and see how big his market is. Kings went through this a couple seasons ago with Fox, the market is narrow and that hurts leverage and thus return value.

Whats Okoro go for this summer? Where’s that put them when Mobley is due?

The Pelicans haven't had a starting caliber PG since they traded Jrue. The Magic have a platoon of backups and have needed an offensive upgrade forever. Those are just the young playoff teams that have players I, personally, might be interested in, but that assumes the organization agrees with you as soon as next summer, and I'm deeply skeptical about that outcome.

If another team makes a dumb offer to Okoro, then I suspect the Cavs shake his hand and wish him well. He's not super cheap for a rookie given where he was drafted. Thybulle got $11M per as a RFA. That's $2M more than what Okoro is getting already.

I suspect next year is LeVert's last year with the Cavs. That's $16M falling off the year they have to pay Mobley. They have their first this summer, Emoni Bates in the G League, a bunch of seconds they've retained rather than use in lateral moves, and two guys overseas whose rookie contract clocks haven't even started. The Cavs are very much managing the roster in a way that suggests they're well aware they'll be under financial restrictions for the foreseeable future.

[Rockazoids]

Obviously, the Cavs will have to see how the playoffs go and whether Mitchell extends, but they have another year of Mobley on a rookie contract and LeVert will be expiring next season so money isn't any type of immediate concern. Having two players on rookie max deals gives you a lot more leeway than having 70-80% of your cap tied up on two older vets. Gilbert isn't afraid of the tax. The core won't be broken up solely due to financial reasons.

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

They have had a cupcake schedule so far in February. (DET last game of January.)
1/31 DET 154%
2/1 MEM 340%
2/3 SAS 189%
2/5 SAC 588%
2/7 WSH 173%
2/8 BKN 404%
2/10 TOR 358%
Of these teams only 2 are over 400% & BKN are at 404%
But you have to beat who you got in front of you. Good for them.

[jbk1234]

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

They have had a cupcake schedule so far in February. (DET last game of January.)
1/31 DET 154%
2/1 MEM 340%
2/3 SAS 189%
2/5 SAC 588%
2/7 WSH 173%
2/8 BKN 404%
2/10 TOR 358%
Of these teams only 2 are over 400% & BKN are at 404%
But you have to beat who you got in front of you. Good for them.

We've only lost 2 games in all of 2024 and both of those losses happened without Garland and Mobley. The schedule has been easier since December, but we did beat the Bucks and Clippers during that stretch.

[Rockazoids]

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

They have had a cupcake schedule so far in February. (DET last game of January.)
1/31 DET 154%
2/1 MEM 340%
2/3 SAS 189%
2/5 SAC 588%
2/7 WSH 173%
2/8 BKN 404%
2/10 TOR 358%
Of these teams only 2 are over 400% & BKN are at 404%
But you have to beat who you got in front of you. Good for them.

We've only lost 2 games in all of 2024 and both of those losses happened without Garland and Mobley. The schedule has been easier since December, but we did beat the Bucks and Clippers during that stretch.

Are you guys fully healthy now?

[jbk1234]

They have had a cupcake schedule so far in February. (DET last game of January.)
1/31 DET 154%
2/1 MEM 340%
2/3 SAS 189%
2/5 SAC 588%
2/7 WSH 173%
2/8 BKN 404%
2/10 TOR 358%
Of these teams only 2 are over 400% & BKN are at 404%
But you have to beat who you got in front of you. Good for them.

We've only lost 2 games in all of 2024 and both of those losses happened without Garland and Mobley. The schedule has been easier since December, but we did beat the Bucks and Clippers during that stretch.

Are you guys fully healthy now?

Yeah, we've had everyone back for like 5 games.

[Rockazoids]

We've only lost 2 games in all of 2024 and both of those losses happened without Garland and Mobley. The schedule has been easier since December, but we did beat the Bucks and Clippers during that stretch.

Are you guys fully healthy now?

Yeah, we've had everyone back for like 5 games.

NY has so many key players out or playing hurt. I believe the only reason they made that trade with DET is when Brunson
tweeted his ankle and with OG surgery. They are a Mash unit right now.

[SNPA]

What is the core though? They have two small guards on big contracts and two bigs that will be expensive soon. Those four won’t leave much meat on the bone to fill out a roster, especially in a wing dominated league.

Garland on that deal is tough to move because the PG spot is saturated.

They have a severe lack of picks too.

The Cavs aren't presently looking to move Garland. That's something fans of other teams are telling themselves, and no, all stars under the age of 25 aren't hard to move regardless of position.

There are two ways to look at the matchup issue: The first is how can the Cavs matchup against teams with good SFs (the answer against most teams is assign Mobley to him). The second way to look at it is how do opposing teams handle the Cavs lineup, and this season anyway, the answer had been not particularly well.

We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but the Cavs have won ten in a row, are currently the 2 seed, and I doubt anyone in the organization is sitting around and wondering how they're going to break up the core.

They have had a cupcake schedule so far in February. (DET last game of January.)
1/31 DET 154%
2/1 MEM 340%
2/3 SAS 189%
2/5 SAC 588%
2/7 WSH 173%
2/8 BKN 404%
2/10 TOR 358%
Of these teams only 2 are over 400% & BKN are at 404%
But you have to beat who you got in front of you. Good for them.

And Sac was on the last of their seven game road trip.

Garland 25%
Mitchell 30%
Mobley 25%
Allen 20 million on top.
Okoro ?

If the plan is to build out the rest of the team from 2nds, Gleague, no names and last stop vets that strikes me a limiting their potential significantly. It’s an oddly constructed team for the modern NBA. So much rides on Okoro.

From an outsiders view it looks like the pair of small guards or bigs needs to be undone and wing and draft assets added.

Garlands market will be small, the two main targets having been pointed out. Mitchell seems key to me, but if the Cavs don’t see it that way he’ll likely get the best return. If not him that leaves the bigs.

If the Cavs aren’t seeing Mobley as a max guy other teams will. For ex. Sac would likely throw three unprotected picks, swaps, and shooters (Lyles/Huerter), etc.

[wegotthabeet]

Seems crazy to sell from a serious contender, LeVert and Strus should be the guys outgoing, replace them with vet mins. If they had to, Garland seems like the weakest link.

Serious contender seems a bit extreme. More like fringe contenders at best honestly. There’s at least a half dozen teams better positioned to win the title.

[jayjaysee]

Seems like the could buy, sell or run it back depending on how the season goes... just like most playoff teams..

They don’t seem to have real financial decisions next season. Outside opinion, but it looks really smart to duck the tax again next season before Mobley gets paid, which probably costs Caris? Not too sure.. But that doesn’t seem difficult. And if they make the ECF or better this season, then you pay more to add to this group and don’t care about the tax starting next season..

If, but after, Mitchell is willing to lock himself up this offseason, and the team does poorly in the playoffs.. I probably trade Garland.

And if Spida refuses to resign, I don’t let him see UFA. Flip him to highest bidder.

Cleveland can afford heavy tax though. We haven’t forgotten about Gilbert