Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Gallo deciding between Bucks and Clippers

[Milbucks96]

If we fail in the playoffs, im pretty on board with trading Khris for a starting sf who can guard tf outta wings and hit catch and shoot 3s, assuming we also get draft capital or a young player with upside.

I know all the arguments for not trading him. Im pretty confident we can score enough without him though. In a Dame and Giannis offense, we dont need his creation. We need defense. Hes overqualified for his role.

I don’t think this is true at all. Look at the lakers with lebron and AD being great offensively but still a bad offense.

[Ron Swanson]

Like I said the second we acquired Dame. Trading Khris makes even less sense now that he can slide into that perfect, post-prime 3rd option role instead of forcing him to be Scottie Pippen (who ironically also stopped being capable as a championship 2nd option once he hit 32). Inb4 posters scream SALARY SLOT! over and over as if trading him for a collection of bloated role-player contracts is some sort of galaxy-brain GM'ing.

[pifhluk23]

If we fail in the playoffs, im pretty on board with trading Khris for a starting sf who can guard tf outta wings and hit catch and shoot 3s, assuming we also get draft capital or a young player with upside.

I know all the arguments for not trading him. Im pretty confident we can score enough without him though. In a Dame and Giannis offense, we dont need his creation. We need defense. Hes overqualified for his role.

Agree he's a bit redundant on offense with Dame/Giannis but I was against trading him this deadline and probably this Summer too because I don't think we can get anywhere near the value that he provides us. He's too old and injured now, if we wanted to trade him it was years ago. Have to just ride it out and make him end of career Ginobili.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm pretty Jragon is actually a huge Middleton fan, and by criticizing him, he brings out hundreds to defend him while spreading the truth about how productive he is.

[emunney]

Day 36 with 2 open 2-way spots.

[Ron Swanson]

7th in defense, 18th in offense, 12th in net-rating (we're 10th on the season) since Griffin was banished to the shadow realm. And this is with half of those games without some combination of Brook/Dame/Khris. It can't be understated how much of a trainwreck Adrian Griffin was as a head coach.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?LastNGames=10&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

[BigO]

7th in defense, 18th in offense, 12th in net-rating (we're 10th on the season) since Griffin was banished to the shadow realm. And this is with half of those games without some combination of Brook/Dame/Khris. It can't be understated how much of a trainwreck Adrian Griffin was as a head coach.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?LastNGames=10&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

We'll never know the real back story, but this is a blight on Horst. I know the Giannis thing, but if Horst hadn't picked Griffin as one of his three finalists, he would never be coach.

I'm satisfied that Doc was the best we could do, but I do think that these next 30games or so are critical in getting some kind of cohesion on all the new schemes.

By the way, the better stats are also against better teams, making Griffin look even worse.

[paulpressey25]

Reaching for numbers to try and prove otherwise is foolish, all you need is the history provided that Khris is a big time performer in big time moments. What more is anyone searching for?

The team is much better with a healthy Khris Middleton.

However, do think there is the possibility that Dame does (or did better) when KM was out of the lineup during the Adrian Griffin period. You could see many times when KM would do his usual amount of ball handling as point forward, and Dame just sat in the corner.

That was a waste of Dame's talents, and I think caused Dame to mentally zone out. Plausible that issue (among a handful of them) was what caused some locker-room frustration with Dame and Griff.

[BigO]

Reaching for numbers to try and prove otherwise is foolish, all you need is the history provided that Khris is a big time performer in big time moments. What more is anyone searching for?

The team is much better with a healthy Khris Middleton.

However, do think there is the possibility that Dame does (or did better) when KM was out of the lineup during the Adrian Griffin period. You could see many times when KM would do his usual amount of ball handling as point forward, and Dame just sat in the corner.

That was a waste of Dame's talents, and I think caused Dame to mentally zone out. Plausible that issue (among a handful of them) was what caused some locker-room frustration with Dame and Griff.

The Bucks have three good back to the basket players (Giannis,KM, BP) and while you certainly can pass out of that, none of the three usually do, unless they are doubled. That does cause a lot of standing and watching, but that's KM's game.

[EasyE31]

If we fail in the playoffs, im pretty on board with trading Khris for a starting sf who can guard tf outta wings and hit catch and shoot 3s, assuming we also get draft capital or a young player with upside.

I know all the arguments for not trading him. Im pretty confident we can score enough without him though. In a Dame and Giannis offense, we dont need his creation. We need defense. Hes overqualified for his role.

We should almost certainly trade one of Khris or Brook after this season regardless of playoff outcome. Not necessarily because they've personally fallen off but because it will be the Bucks best chance to extend the championship window around Giannis and Dame.

On draft night the Bucks will have two first round picks to trade and (assuming they are over the second apron) won't be able to aggregate salary in a trade. This makes it quite likely they do something like Khris and picks for Dejounte or a similar young star. That puts us in a situation where we are contenders through 2028-2030 or so when Dame and Giannis are past their primes.

[BigO]

If we fail in the playoffs, im pretty on board with trading Khris for a starting sf who can guard tf outta wings and hit catch and shoot 3s, assuming we also get draft capital or a young player with upside.

I know all the arguments for not trading him. Im pretty confident we can score enough without him though. In a Dame and Giannis offense, we dont need his creation. We need defense. Hes overqualified for his role.

We should almost certainly trade one of Khris or Brook after this season regardless of playoff outcome. Not necessarily because they've personally fallen off but because it will be the Bucks best chance to extend the championship window around Giannis and Dame.

On draft night the Bucks will have two first round picks to trade and (assuming they are over the second apron) won't be able to aggregate salary in a trade. This makes it quite likely they do something like Khris and picks for Dejounte or a similar young star. That puts us in a situation where we are contenders through 2028-2030 or so when Dame and Giannis are past their primes.

If you're going to suggest trades involving high priced, aging Buck players, please tell us why the other team would make that trade. If KM has served his purpose, why would Atlanta trade a good young player for him?

[Milbucks96]

I think Brook is the one gone. Big expiring, somewhat matchup dependent, oldest. Also easier to scrounge up the salary to match. I think Khris would be gone too if we don’t get past the second round.

[crowhead76]

If we fail in the playoffs, im pretty on board with trading Khris for a starting sf who can guard tf outta wings and hit catch and shoot 3s, assuming we also get draft capital or a young player with upside.

I know all the arguments for not trading him. Im pretty confident we can score enough without him though. In a Dame and Giannis offense, we dont need his creation. We need defense. Hes overqualified for his role.

We should almost certainly trade one of Khris or Brook after this season regardless of playoff outcome. Not necessarily because they've personally fallen off but because it will be the Bucks best chance to extend the championship window around Giannis and Dame.

On draft night the Bucks will have two first round picks to trade and (assuming they are over the second apron) won't be able to aggregate salary in a trade. This makes it quite likely they do something like Khris and picks for Dejounte or a similar young star. That puts us in a situation where we are contenders through 2028-2030 or so when Dame and Giannis are past their primes.

If you're going to suggest trades involving high priced, aging Buck players, please tell us why the other team would make that trade. If KM has served his purpose, why would Atlanta trade a good young player for him?

On draft night the Bucks will have two first round picks to trade

Pretty sure they did, Brook would be on an expiring with 2 firsts to trade. KM might be attractive for a team that is looking to blow it up. His expiring the following year (assuming he opts in) would allow them to moves picks with salary for another player that comes available.

[emunney]

I mean, not everybody has the same opinion. Not everybody is using an identical value scale. The idea that there are no NBA teams who'd want to trade for Khris Middleton because some posters here think he should be traded: it's not a logical construct.

[Frank Nova]

Reaching for numbers to try and prove otherwise is foolish, all you need is the history provided that Khris is a big time performer in big time moments. What more is anyone searching for?

The team is much better with a healthy Khris Middleton.

However, do think there is the possibility that Dame does (or did better) when KM was out of the lineup during the Adrian Griffin period. You could see many times when KM would do his usual amount of ball handling as point forward, and Dame just sat in the corner.

That was a waste of Dame's talents, and I think caused Dame to mentally zone out. Plausible that issue (among a handful of them) was what caused some locker-room frustration with Dame and Griff.

That’s hard to just point a finger at “the way Khris plays frustrates Dame” .. he deferred quite a bit in his Portland career to Cj McCollum and it never seemed to steer Dame towards an uninterested attitude. I could be wrong about that, I didn’t follow that Blazers team like I do Milwaukee but I find it hard to believe Dame had any sort of issue with that. Couldn’t the same be said for Giannis then when Khris played ISO possessions to get his shots? No one cares all the sudden that’s all Bobby Portis ever does? Why isn’t that an issue? Doc already corrected that in 2wks if that was an/the issue?

I’m not discrediting what you’re saying but I think there’s way more variables at large in that theory and it certainly doesn’t seem like it would solely point at Middleton….

I think iso ball for any player can be wasteful towards other talents on the team. In my personal opinion I think Dames off court issues and the scrutiny he’s constantly under while still putting up all star numbers has been more bothersome than any 1 teammate on the Bucks. Especially after his recent comments about being scrutinized by the media and the fans like he’s not still averaging 25 and 7. It’s like if every game isn’t Dame Time and he’s not dropping 40+, there’s a negativity about the way he played. He’s gotta hit a 35’ game winner for ppl to celebrate his play. Who wouldn’t get frustrated by that?

[Ron Swanson]

As always, it depends on the player. Don't think anyone should be opposed to trading some combination of Khris/Brook and picks if we fail to get to the Finals again. But what are your targets?

KD? Mikal Bridges? KAT? Brandon Ingram? Sure, absolutely.

Harrison Barnes and Kevin Huerter? Bogdan Bogdanovic and Deandre Hunter? Markelle Fultz and Wendell Carter? Lol, **** no.

[ShootingtheJ]

Day 36 with 2 open 2-way spots.

You'd think they'd see more value in these spots with the success of AJ Green. It's it possible they have their eye on a young player who might be cut loose to make room for a buyout guy? The flaw with that idea is that it seems like most of the contenders have open roster spots.

[emunney]

Day 36 with 2 open 2-way spots.

You'd think they'd see more value in these spots with the success of AJ Green. It's it possible they have their eye on a young player who might be cut loose to make room for a buyout guy? The flaw with that idea is that it seems like most of the contenders have open roster spots.

It's penny pinching. 2 way contracts become fully guaranteed after January 7th, and both guys were cut on the 6th. All 2 ways signed after that point are fully guaranteed (prorated for the rest of the season). We're not signing guys because we don't want to pay them, full stop.

[soxperry]

Meanwhile...

KOC said that our Pat Bev trade is a "nothing burger" for both teams. But then went on to say it was good for Philly since Payne fits there better than Pat did. Then says Andre Jackson is better than Pat Bev RIGHT NOW.

Celtics fans are losing their minds, even the ones with pods.

[soxperry]

I mean, not everybody has the same opinion. Not everybody is using an identical value scale. The idea that there are no NBA teams who'd want to trade for Khris Middleton because some posters here think he should be traded: it's not a logical construct.

Its not even about that. Its about going all in on Giannis and Dame and what that means for our roster construction. If you think Khris can still be good for the next three seasons, i agree with you. I just think we can boost our defense more than we would lose on offense by using him as a trade asset.

Why would another team want him? Because his skill set is very much in demand. Put him on a team that already has great defenders all over and make him the number two option. Orlando? New York? OKC who can afford to put Khris at third or fourth option due to all their picks?