Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[Knightro]

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I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this one, but I'd absolutely call Atlanta up and see what it would take.

There's certainly would not be a bigger home run swing for the Magic to take this summer than Trae Young.

[p0peye]

Anthony Black, so far as rookie in NBA, was mostly resembling MCW. Maybe by design limiting his role, but skills didn't seem to be there. Typically rookies try to contribute relying on their natural strengths and Black was indeed relying on his athleticism and size to dominate guards on defence, but did not include scoring, playmaking or running pick and roll plays.

He is young and maybe, unlike MCW, Black will change.

[eyriq]

Anthony Black, so far as rookie in NBA, was mostly resembling MCW. Maybe by design limiting his role, but skills didn't seem to be there. Typically rookies try to contribute relying on their natural strengths and Black was indeed relying on his athleticism and size to dominate guards on defence, but did not include scoring, playmaking or running pick and roll plays.

He is young and maybe, unlike MCW, Black will change.

MCW was ROY. AB doesn't resemble him at all.

[p0peye]

Anthony Black, so far as rookie in NBA, was mostly resembling MCW. Maybe by design limiting his role, but skills didn't seem to be there. Typically rookies try to contribute relying on their natural strengths and Black was indeed relying on his athleticism and size to dominate guards on defence, but did not include scoring, playmaking or running pick and roll plays.

He is young and maybe, unlike MCW, Black will change.

MCW was ROY. AB doesn't resemble him at all.

That's a fact.

[eyriq]

I don't want to make this an AB thread, so I'll just say this.

His play making ability positions him as a connective tissue, capable of making impactful plays without necessarily dominating the ball. This is similar to players like Lonzo Ball and Dyson Daniels.

His basketball IQ is his standout trait. He makes quick decisions which facilitates ball movement and he can adapt to different roles. Whether he is the primary ball hander or operating off ball, he can contribute effectively. You'll note his ability to cut, shoot from the perimeter, and drive through defenses with agility.

He's got potential as a shooter as we can see already in the NBA. His defense positions him as one of the best defending prospects in a while.

[Skybox]

I agree. With these points. Not sure why AB is being left out of the pg discussion....

I have three explanations:

Camp 1: Fultz fans are slow to accept AB because they are attached to Fultz

Camp 2: Anti-Fultz fans are slow to accept AB because of perceived similarities between Fultz and AB

Camp 3: Win-now fans are slow to accept AB because we are ready to re-tool around Franchero and don't have time for player development.

I choose 2.5...I was a big Fultz salvage supporter early on and hung in as long as it could be rationalized. AB has similarities, but not the same reasons for doubt. AB also doesn't have the same reasons for hope - Fultz was an offensive star coming out of college...AB is much more of a project. I'm happy to have him. I'm happy to bring him along slowly. I'm not happy to pump the brakes on the team's overall progress while that's happening...we can have both. Bring in a vet PG and give AB substantial opportunity off the bench.

[Skybox]

Like we often destroy Gary Harris (and Fultz to a lesser extent) on a routine basis in the game threads for "getting cardio" out there, but Anthony Black started 29 games, playing over 21 MPG in those games, and averaged just 5-3-2 with a miniscule 11.5 USG rate.

I get that he's super young, but you can't just have a guy out there doing that little on offense and expect to maintain success as a team. It puts way too much pressure on the other guys.

If the dude is an A++ game changing defender or something like Isaac, then it helps, but I wouldn't say Black is there yet either.

AB has more sweater vest points that Fultz and Harris COMBINED

I like AB but that's not the argument you want on your bumper sticker..."tallest midget"

there's a whole lot of optimistic projection here. AB hasn't shown a lot of game management or scoring or...anything other than defense, but he might...might.

I know I nodded along to the Lonzo Ball comparison a few weeks ago...but LB came in like a Magic Johnson/Jason Kidd level PG prospect. AB is very raw and it's not really fair to compare him.

[zaymon]

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I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this one, but I'd absolutely call Atlanta up and see what it would take.

There's certainly would not be a bigger home run swing for the Magic to take this summer than Trae Young.

I think a lot of people will agree.
If we really want to go for Young, we will need to see more Black and Howard after all star break. If we wont try to raise their value it doesnt make sense becouse we will need to add too much value.
If Hawks ask for Franz the talks are over.
Not making a move at the deadline kind of makes sense if we want to go for player like Trae.

[eyriq]

Like we often destroy Gary Harris (and Fultz to a lesser extent) on a routine basis in the game threads for "getting cardio" out there, but Anthony Black started 29 games, playing over 21 MPG in those games, and averaged just 5-3-2 with a miniscule 11.5 USG rate.

I get that he's super young, but you can't just have a guy out there doing that little on offense and expect to maintain success as a team. It puts way too much pressure on the other guys.

If the dude is an A++ game changing defender or something like Isaac, then it helps, but I wouldn't say Black is there yet either.

AB has more sweater vest points that Fultz and Harris COMBINED

I like AB but that's not the argument you want on your bumper sticker..."tallest midget"

there's a whole lot of optimistic projection here. AB hasn't shown a lot of game management or scoring or...anything other than defense, but he might...might.

I know I nodded along to the Lonzo Ball comparison a few weeks ago...but LB came in like a Magic Johnson/Jason Kidd level PG prospect. AB is very raw and it's not really fair to compare him.

AB is much taller than a midget

[Skybox]

AB has more sweater vest points that Fultz and Harris COMBINED

I like AB but that's not the argument you want on your bumper sticker..."tallest midget"

there's a whole lot of optimistic projection here. AB hasn't shown a lot of game management or scoring or...anything other than defense, but he might...might.

I know I nodded along to the Lonzo Ball comparison a few weeks ago...but LB came in like a Magic Johnson/Jason Kidd level PG prospect. AB is very raw and it's not really fair to compare him.

AB is much taller than a midget

Shortest giant contest?

[BCS]

Option #1 is to bring in a star guard via trade, if that does not happen, I am thinking something like, sign Monk to replace Harris/Cole, of course this means get rid of Cole. And believe it or not, I'd look into Fultz on a cheap 1+1 deal for backup PG/ insurance. At the end of the day who starts or doesn't is irrelevant, who finishes is what is important and this personnel gives us a lot of flexibility.

AB/Fultz
Suggs/Monk
Wagner/Howard/Ingles
Paolo/JI
WCJ/Moe/Goga

Plus other irrelevant players like Houstan, etc...

That is not a set lineup above just for depth purposes, the reality is I'd be finishing games with Suggs or Monk as my backcourt or our death lineup and have whichever guard is playing best that day.

And for the draft, look for a big to send to the gleague. Either way, hopefully, a 2 way star guard becomes available and we trade for that player and all this is irrelevant.

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[Knightro]

I think a lot of people will agree.
If we really want to go for Young, we will need to see more Black and Howard after all star break. If we wont try to raise their value it doesnt make sense becouse we will need to add too much value.
If Hawks ask for Franz the talks are over.
Not making a move at the deadline kind of makes sense if we want to go for player like Trae.

Paolo, Franz and one of Suggs/Black are immediately off the table IMO (probably Suggs).

I would also retain Isaac.

Everyone else is on the table, as well as the full cache of picks and swaps. And the Magic will be far enough under the cap this summer where they could take back Hunter or Capela as well.

I'd be especially interested in Capela because I think the Magic could immediately flip him for a quality guard or wing if they wanted to roll with Carter/Moritz/Goga as the centers.

[Knightro]

I think a lot of people will agree.
If we really want to go for Young, we will need to see more Black and Howard after all star break. If we wont try to raise their value it doesnt make sense becouse we will need to add too much value.
If Hawks ask for Franz the talks are over.
Not making a move at the deadline kind of makes sense if we want to go for player like Trae.

Paolo, Franz and one of Suggs/Black are immediately off the table IMO (probably Suggs).

I would also retain Isaac.

Everyone else is on the table, as well as the full cache of picks and swaps. And the Magic will be far enough under the cap this summer where they could take back Hunter or Capela as well.

I'd be especially interested in Capela because I think the Magic could immediately flip him for a quality guard or wing if they wanted to roll with Carter/Moritz/Goga as the centers.

This also applies to Darius Garland for me as well.

[cedric76]

I would honestly cry if Trae join this team, I can't stand that overrated guy

[zaymon]

I think a lot of people will agree.
If we really want to go for Young, we will need to see more Black and Howard after all star break. If we wont try to raise their value it doesnt make sense becouse we will need to add too much value.
If Hawks ask for Franz the talks are over.
Not making a move at the deadline kind of makes sense if we want to go for player like Trae.

Paolo, Franz and one of Suggs/Black are immediately off the table IMO (probably Suggs).

I would also retain Isaac.

Everyone else is on the table, as well as the full cache of picks and swaps. And the Magic will be far enough under the cap this summer where they could take back Hunter or Capela as well.

I'd be especially interested in Capela because I think the Magic could immediately flip him for a quality guard or wing if they wanted to roll with Carter/Moritz/Goga as the centers.

This also applies to Darius Garland for me as well.

Garland, Mitchell, hopefully Booker ?
I would include Suggs if needed, but most importantly we must showcase Black and/or Howard if we really want to get a player of Young caliber. I doubt we can outbid Spurs, Pelicans etc if they dont show more than so far this season. Then comes the fit, and its different depending on said player. Who we need to keep if we get Young. Suggs, Howard, or Black?

[thelead]

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They’re finally coming to terms with reality… but are still going to ask for a king’s ransom for him. I want no part of it. Trae is a low tier star and they’re going to want a true superstar package for him. No thanks. It rarely ever works out for the team that trades for that kind of player.

[eyriq]

Simmons trade value has Trae 51, Suggs 69, and AB 89.

[RichCollab]

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I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this one, but I'd absolutely call Atlanta up and see what it would take.

There's certainly would not be a bigger home run swing for the Magic to take this summer than Trae Young.

How can Magic afford 3 max players? Trae, Paolo, and Franz?

[cedric76]

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I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this one, but I'd absolutely call Atlanta up and see what it would take.

There's certainly would not be a bigger home run swing for the Magic to take this summer than Trae Young.

How can Magic afford 3 max players? Trae, Paolo, and Franz?

Easy Trae isn't a max player

[JoshuaPotter]

Simmons trade value has Trae 51, Suggs 69, and AB 89.

Higher is better? Also this is based on what?