Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Gallo deciding between Bucks and Clippers

[-Jragon-]

Meanwhile...

KOC said that our Pat Bev trade is a "nothing burger" for both teams. But then went on to say it was good for Philly since Payne fits there better than Pat did. Then says Andre Jackson is better than Pat Bev RIGHT NOW.

Celtics fans are losing their minds, even the ones with pods.

They are in denial in hopes that Bev ISNT that spark we need to get out 3 and D going

[Badgerlander]

I mean, it's not a logical construct.

[emunney]

In the case of Bolden, it's not even that we didn't like him anymore. We traded for his returning player rights so he could stay on the Herd. Just didn't want to give him those couple hundred thousand dollars.

Could be that we thought somebody we wanted would shake free by now and they just haven't, or they did and went elsewhere.

[Ron Swanson]

Weird considering we clearly have no issue running up a huge tax bill.

[Frank Nova]

Meanwhile...

KOC said that our Pat Bev trade is a "nothing burger" for both teams. But then went on to say it was good for Philly since Payne fits there better than Pat did. Then says Andre Jackson is better than Pat Bev RIGHT NOW.

Celtics fans are losing their minds, even the ones with pods.

The national media goons are so out of touch. If Bev went to any other contending team they’d all be talking about how great of a move it was and how he’ll move the needle with his intangibles and intense defense. If they really did watch the Bucks games they’d know Jackson has terrible foul tendencies and can’t keep himself on the court and Cam Payne was just an average back up PG that’s been tossed around the league his whole career like a cheap trick. That’s a joke. Not even sure why anyone even listens to half these **** clowns.

[emunney]

We're going to need Bev AND Dre.

[Matches Malone]

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[Ron Swanson]

I think with how difficult it is now to build a contender through free-agency, the biggest built-in advantage for the large market teams has shifted towards concerted media efforts to hype up mediocre assets, whether it be picks or players. I mean, we saw it happen in real time with the offseason Lillard trade saga.

It went from "Wait, their assets suck, what are we doing here?" to talking up Nikola **** Jovic, Caleb Martin, and a couple pick swaps as a "pretty decent trade package" once dudes like Zach Lowe and Windhorst were officially sent the script. Sometimes they really don't even try to hide it. I'm still waiting for Talen Horton-Tucker to take his place with Lebron and Anthony Davis to form the new Lakers Big-3 btw....

[Prez]

I’ve stopped listening to basketball pods entirely lol. Pretty much none of them know what they’re talking about when it comes to the Bucks and it’s not worth getting riled up over it. Just gonna wait till April-June when things actually play out and either they have to eat **** or we do lol.

[smauss]

Personally, I think KM will have more value as an expiring after next year than he does currently as a player, or maybe better said, part time player. But I'm sure there are folks who have a better handle on player value around here than I. We're on the hook for $32mil+/- (mean) over the next 2 years for him, while the last 2 full seasons he's played less than 50% of the games. I'm curious just how many calls Horst has gotten for him.........

[BigO]

I mean, not everybody has the same opinion. Not everybody is using an identical value scale. The idea that there are no NBA teams who'd want to trade for Khris Middleton because some posters here think he should be traded: it's not a logical construct.

What's not a logical construct is to say Player A is well past his prime and overpaid and then make proposals that assume other teams think he's really good. If you value your own opinion and think it's based on fact, then you should assume others carry the same "objective" view.


What's also not a logical construct is to have a team with only one really good starting shooter (KM) and make a big trade to get another one (DL) and right after that propose to get rid of KM. It totally voids the rationale for getting Dame. The Bucks needed shooters and still need shooters, so don't propose getting rid of one of your best.

[BigO]

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I love this.

He identified the problem not only to his players, but was specific in the interview. I hated Bud's interviews, which treated the public disrespectfully. Although, to be fair, that's how most coaches do it. Doc is refreshingly open and I wasn't expecting it.

[Matches Malone]

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[Baddy Chuck]

What's not a logical construct is to say Player A is well past his prime and overpaid and then make proposals that assume other teams think he's really good. If you value your own opinion and think it's based on fact, then you should assume others carry the same "objective" view.

I mean all it takes is one, right? Everyone and their mothers were screaming from the rooftops about how James Harden is washed up, overpaid, can't stay healthy, etc and then he gets traded for a star package. And it turns out he might be as washed up as people wanted to believe. Rudy Gobert was the laughing stock of "playoff performers" for a while and got traded for an absolute haul that nobody saw coming and would have been laughed off the site for proposing as an "unrealistic trade". Marcus Smart pulled Porzingis and two firsts.

I'm not even a trade Middleton guy but like there's surely a world where all his flaws push people to the edge and he still finds his way to another team for a haul.

[soxperry]

I mean, not everybody has the same opinion. Not everybody is using an identical value scale. The idea that there are no NBA teams who'd want to trade for Khris Middleton because some posters here think he should be traded: it's not a logical construct.

What's not a logical construct is to say Player A is well past his prime and overpaid and then make proposals that assume other teams think he's really good. If you value your own opinion and think it's based on fact, then you should assume others carry the same "objective" view.


What's also not a logical construct is to have a team with only one really good starting shooter (KM) and make a big trade to get another one (DL) and right after that propose to get rid of KM. It totally voids the rationale for getting Dame. The Bucks needed shooters and still need shooters, so don't propose getting rid of one of your best.

If Giannis, Dame and Khris can learn to play together and make it all flow, then maybe all of this is a moot point. As it stands, Dame doesn't seem to be getting the usage that he wants or needs to find his rhythm consistently. As much as i love Khris, Dame is like two steps above him as an offensive player if you are looking at their ceilings. So, to me, if we can unlock the peak version of Dame next to Giannis, Khris Middleton becomes a luxury that might be best used to shore up the defense.

NOW

In this coming offseason, if we can land a legitimate stud at SG who is an elite defender, Khris's defense may not matter. But if we fall short in the coming playoffs, i just dont see any reason why trading Khris isn't on the table.

Again.. this is not me saying "Khris is washed, so let's trade him to a team that doesn't realize he's washed." That's obviously a very flawed way of thinking. Im saying he is probably still pretty valuable going forward and i would rather spend the asset that is KM on making this team a better, more well rounded version of itself (around the center of Giannis and Dame).

You can argue that this possibility doesn't exist, and you may be right. But i would damn sure be finding out.


one last thing...

if a guy is washed, his expiring contract is really not that valuable in and of itself. It just provides flexibility and the possibility to do something should we have additional assets to pile on.

[Fotis St]

Khris injuries disrupts team's chemistry... it doesn't matter when he should or not be traded, it's just a fact that the dude can't stay healthy cause he has always been a bad athlete.

Some things to point out ...

If Doc Rivers is the coach to convince Giannis to play 5 ... that's a huge W.

If Pat Bev starts calling out his teammates on D like he did with Brook Lopez ... that's a huge W as well.

This team needed some truth bombs from someone to wake up and improve. Bud's Griff era of hiding issues obvious to the rest of the basketball world has probably ended and it has cost us at least one more Finals appearance.

[soxperry]

Khris injuries disrupts team's chemistry... it doesn't matter when he should or not be traded, it's just a fact that the dude can't stay healthy cause he has always been a bad athlete.

he's our Klay Thompson, isn't he?

[Fotis St]

Khris injuries disrupts team's chemistry... it doesn't matter when he should or not be traded, it's just a fact that the dude can't stay healthy cause he has always been a bad athlete.

he's our Klay Thompson, isn't he?

Klay's athleticism was disrupted by a severe injury on a dunk attempt ... Khris lack of athleticism is by pure lazyness and fooling himself he can be 100% with the less effort possible. He has been a bad athlete his whole career, he has a pretty nice IQ , a basketball mind BUT not being a true athlete, has limited himself and the Bucks. At least we got one and I'm grateful he performed once when it mattered.

[Prez]

Khris since the start of December and leading up to the Suns game had played in 27/31 games and averaged 30mpg. The 4 games he missed were all either the front or back end of a B2B for precautionary reasons.

17/4/6 on 50/40/87 shooting in that range, clear and significant positive in his minutes, and our starting 5 with him is blowing the doors off teams.

But KD undercuts him on a jumper, and now we gotta hear stupid **** about how he’s lazy and we’re better without him.

Love that for us. Thank you Kevin.

[emunney]

I mean, not everybody has the same opinion. Not everybody is using an identical value scale. The idea that there are no NBA teams who'd want to trade for Khris Middleton because some posters here think he should be traded: it's not a logical construct.

What's not a logical construct is to say Player A is well past his prime and overpaid and then make proposals that assume other teams think he's really good. If you value your own opinion and think it's based on fact, then you should assume others carry the same "objective" view.


What's also not a logical construct is to have a team with only one really good starting shooter (KM) and make a big trade to get another one (DL) and right after that propose to get rid of KM. It totally voids the rationale for getting Dame. The Bucks needed shooters and still need shooters, so don't propose getting rid of one of your best.

You can value your own opinion and have the awareness to understand that it's outside the consensus. Or that, even if you believe, rightly or wrongly, that your opinion is within the consensus, that it is not unanimously held and therefore there could be an opportunity to take advantage of people holding wrong beliefs.