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Post#1381 » by Whole Truth » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:11 am

LMAO James fouls Zion, they give the foul call to Davis, review it & say Davis didn't foul him LMAO

Instead of 4pt game now 8pt game RIGGED.
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Post#1382 » by Whole Truth » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:23 am

Pels have been hit with 2 3 in the key violations. Lakers building tents in the lane.
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Post#1383 » by Whole Truth » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:43 am

Pels trying to cut into the 10pt lead, BI hit with lane violation LMAO..
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Post#1384 » by Whole Truth » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:59 am

The trotters beat the generals, 139 - 122.
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Post#1385 » by Whole Truth » Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:03 am

Nance -18 in 18 mins, Jonas +3 in the 17pt blow out.

The defensive coach is just more comfortable riding the defensive big man. Nance wasn't -18 because he couldn't get stops... he was -18 because the team struggled to score with him on court & when NO's needed to make their late 4th Q run, he chose to go small & NO's couldn't secure a rebound with Davis on court, game ..
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Post#1386 » by Whole Truth » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:36 pm

For the last 3yrs I have been talking about offensive efficiency playing into defensive efficiency. Recently a NO's fan brought up defensive stats for big men & Jokic was ranked as the top defender in this statistic. Anyone who watches knows Jokic is not a top flight defender. So why is this stat saying he is ?

What Jokic is, is efficiency. He's the most efficient player in the game & Denver runs their efficient offense through him which makes his defense playable.

Now I'm not suggesting Green run their offense through Jonas or anything like that but what I'm pointing to is the inherent flaw with Green's coaching. His preference for defense over offense in all instances ...

Example - Lakers game where Jonas finished the only starter +3. At one point in the game he posted up Davis easily. Lakers announcers "Lakers better send help", Green "no need we won't go back to it". Now what made this decision even worse was the fact Davis had 3 early fouls ... What played out 4th Q is Jonas was sitting while Davis was outrebounding Green's small ball lineup. At this point in the game, he didn't want to play Jonas in favor of defense but Nance was also -18 in his 18 minutes, so he went small to avoid playing either & as a result Davis owned the boards & any chance of getting back in the game was lost at this point. Despite, earlier in the game Green had opportunity to foul out Davis who was in early foul trouble with 3 first Q fouls ... & where LA announcers thought Davis needed help with Jonas in the post. Green was busy trying to get him off the court defensively.

It's a sad reality but if you gave Green Denver from the ground up, he would be running their offense through Murray & asking for rim protection. What would Jokic look like running up & down the court with less than 6 FGA's, while guards throw up bricks ? ... it would look like Denver needs a rim runner ... lol
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Post#1387 » by Whole Truth » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:47 pm

As a result of me posting Jonas being a +3 vs Lakers. His fans on the other boards tried to make point that +/- doesn't mean anything in small sample sizes.. No stat without context is accurate. Nance was -18, not because he wasn't solid defensively but because the offense stalled with him on court. Reason Jonas was +3 despite not being good defensively was because the offense was running better with him on court.

Reason CJ was a + vs Portland despite an off shooting night. It was his best defensive game as a Pelican & his presence on court drew defensive attention ... Easy to give context to +/- if you understand what's actually taking place. It has the same flaws as all other stats, proper context.

How about this sample size for Jonas. 3 different sub 30 win teams have managed a top 6 defense with Jonas starting. As I have been saying, his offensive efficiency & rebounding, is why. Unfortunately for Jonas he's run into 2 Caseys in his career, who don't have a clue how offensive efficiency plays into defensive efficiency & thus neither value what Jonas brings to court. He runs up & down the court while bricks are tossed & the response is, we need rim protection. That would be because of a lack of realization or utilization of a players skillset, not the player. Unfortunately for this franchise, Zion has the same issue ... Lucky for Zion, being the franchise player he gets the ball from time to time to play to his worth.

I was wrong saying the poor fit is Jonas, Zion & CJ defensively because this team has the depth to make all 3 work.
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Post#1388 » by Whole Truth » Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:10 am

Bench came in 8-15 with no TO's

Starters were 12-29 with 5 TO's

Starters had 19 extra possessions for 4 more points than the bench.

Zion, BI & CJ (8-21) with 4 TO's

Herb tied for the scoring lead with 10 on 5 shots. 2-3 from 3.

Jonas the only negative player in the 14pt lead. 3J is a bad matchup for him if he's not getting touches. 3 FGA's
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Post#1389 » by Whole Truth » Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:23 am

Jonas with an ugly -17, only player in the negative. Why because his defense can't play in this kind of inefficiency.

Zion 4-13
CJ 4-15
BI 7-15

15-43 with 10 TO's. (38 empty possessions)

The offensive big man, 4 FGA's in 18mins. CJ scored 3 more points than him, with 11 more attempts. I can't put my finger on why Jonas was run off the court defensively. lol

Absolute, right call to bring Nance in for mop up duty but if you want to go anywhere better cleanup that mess.

Murphy continues his struggle, 1-5 from 3.

Memphis holding NO's to 4 points with under 2mins to play 4th Q sums up the offense tonight.

Nance bailed everyone out.
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Post#1390 » by Whole Truth » Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:39 am

2nd game in a row this team has struggled to put away a bottom feeder.
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Post#1391 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:18 am

Herb +15
Naji +14
Jose +10

Zion small ball lineup that opened the lead 2nd Q = efficiency + ball pressure.

Jose 0-1
Naji 4-5
Herb 1-1

Zion 7-10 with 14 of his 20 pts coming 2nd Q.
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Post#1392 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:34 am

4 offensive players 9 pts first 6 mins of the game, 8pts first 4 mins of the 3rd.

Greens only solution is to pull Jonas LMAO..

& as I'm typing this Washington takes the lead.
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Post#1393 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:39 am

Washington now up 6. 9pt swing since subbing Jonas.

Do you have any other solution than Nance ?
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Post#1394 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:42 am

BI catching fire.
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Post#1395 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:57 am

Deni still making 3's ...
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Post#1396 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:05 am

40pt 3rd Q
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Post#1397 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:41 am

Much harder win than it needed to be.
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Post#1398 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:43 am

Where Zion & Jonas to a lesser extent is concerned. Ball pressure is more important than spacing.

Reason Zion's best 2 man pairing is with Daniels who's shooting 28% from 3.
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Post#1399 » by Whole Truth » Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:22 am

Jonas (-3) 5-6 from the field 10/5/3 in 15mins, benched for Nance -5, so BI & CJ could be kept on court in less efficiency where Wizards shot a blistering 47% from 3 on 43 attempts regardless of the fact .. Zion efficiency at the 5, with ball pressure, changed the game.

NO's were outscored by 30 on the 3pt line. Pretty sure that didn't happen in 15mins. The game changed when NO's finally decided to pressure the ball 2nd, late 3rd & 4th Q.

Zion, 36 efficient pts, (15-21) in 34mins, was a net 0. (BI 34mins -18, CJ 34mins -13, Jonas -3 15mins)

Naji (+20), Jose (+17) & Murphy (+15) shot a combined 12-24, with 9 rebs & 8 steals. Herb, only starter, +7

The 4 offensive starters had 15 pts, in roughly 10mins. Start of first & 3rd Q. Greens solution was to pull the player who was 4-5 from the field with favorable matchup to compliment the less efficient guard play. Where Ball pressure (11 steals off the bench), not rim protection, inevitably, won the game
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Post#1400 » by Whole Truth » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:10 am

As the sample size has grown .. For all the people that think Jonas is the problem ...

Jonas - Zion - BI - Herb - CJ = 350 mins -0.5
Nance - Zion - BI - Herb - CJ = 89 mins -1.2

As you can see, replacing Jonas with Nance's defense, while he's shooting 45% from 3. The starters are -1.2. Now lets see what happens when you replace CJ with Daniels defense who's shooting 28% from 3 ...

Jonas - Zion - BI - Herb - Daniels = 89 mins +20.2

As in last nights game vs Wizards, Jonas -3 who had a clear matchup advantage, 5-6 in 15 mins, was benched for Nance's defense in order to ride CJ who ended up -13 in the win on less efficiency.

Zion 2 man pairing with CJ's spacing = 789 mins -1
Zion 2 man pairing with Daniels ball pressure = 476 mins +9.1

THE BIG 3, lol (Zion - BI - CJ) = 557 mins -2.9

Zion - BI - Daniels = 214 mins +17.9
Zion - BI - Jonas = 596 mins +4.4
Zion - BI - Herb = 664 mins -0.1

As good as CJ has been offensively. The issue with the starting rotations defense, is CJ. He's who teams attack & he's where the defense is broken down more often than not. So if you're serious about trying to maximize Zion's potential. Daniels who's shooting 28% from 3 with limited offensive game, is a +10.1 replacement over CJ where Nance in the same 89 mins sample size is a . Daniels may not be available but what he's shown is that Zion needs better ball pressure over spacing.

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