Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[Appostis]

It's growing pains.

[Scase]

This is a pivotal stretch. Scottie Barnes has the talent, but he's facing a slump that's hard to ignore. The concerns about his effort/attitude, which have been raised over the past couple of years, have become increasingly apparent and all too common. The team is struggling, and yes we're short on talent, but we still have got to be competitive during this rebuild. You can't be considered an all-star if you're not making enough of an impact, especially against other struggling teams. Now is the time for Scottie to step up. The organization fully supports him. It's time for maturity..time to match potential with leadership.

I think you and most people would have a very different definition of the words slump. The last 10 games before tonight he has averaged 20/7/7, hell, he just put up 24/10/10 the last game. Y'all are so overdramatic

[canada_dry]

This is a pivotal stretch. Scottie Barnes has the talent, but he's facing a slump that's hard to ignore. The concerns about his effort/attitude, which have been raised over the past couple of years, have become increasingly apparent and all too common. The team is struggling, and yes we're short on talent, but we still have got to be competitive during this rebuild. You can't be considered an all-star if you're not making enough of an impact, especially against other struggling teams. Now is the time for Scottie to step up. The organization fully supports him. It's time for maturity..time to match potential with leadership.

I think you and most people would have a very different definition of the words slump. The last 10 games before tonight he has averaged 20/7/7, hell, he just put up 24/10/10 the last game. Y'all are so overdramatic

Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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[ItsDanger]

Scottie almost got his 4th triple double tonight.

[Scase]

This is a pivotal stretch. Scottie Barnes has the talent, but he's facing a slump that's hard to ignore. The concerns about his effort/attitude, which have been raised over the past couple of years, have become increasingly apparent and all too common. The team is struggling, and yes we're short on talent, but we still have got to be competitive during this rebuild. You can't be considered an all-star if you're not making enough of an impact, especially against other struggling teams. Now is the time for Scottie to step up. The organization fully supports him. It's time for maturity..time to match potential with leadership.

I think you and most people would have a very different definition of the words slump. The last 10 games before tonight he has averaged 20/7/7, hell, he just put up 24/10/10 the last game. Y'all are so overdramatic

Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

[dTox]

I think you and most people would have a very different definition of the words slump. The last 10 games before tonight he has averaged 20/7/7, hell, he just put up 24/10/10 the last game. Y'all are so overdramatic

Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

The problem is, other players didn't walk away from the game before it ended, he did, he's also our franchise player, there's bigger expectations on him than others. His play on the court has been dog sh*t on defense over the past few games, if I am going to be honest, the counting stats do not count for the times he gave up a 4 vs 5 when he's constantly bemoaning the reffs for example. I was watching the Spurs feed and their commentators went in on Scottie, rightfully so. With that said, he's young, and 21, this is part of the growth. I'm confident this is a blip in the radar when we look back.

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Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

The problem is, other players didn't walk away from the game before it ended, he did, he's also our franchise player, there's bigger expectations on him than others. His play on the court has been dog sh*t on defense over the past few games, if I am going to be honest, the counting stats do not count for the times he gave up a 4 vs 5 when he's constantly bemoaning the reffs for example. I was watching the Spurs feed and their commentators went in on Scottie, rightfully so. With that said, he's young, and 21, this is part of the growth. I'm confident this is a blip in the radar when we look back.

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You absolutely raise some legitimate points, but the last line I think captures the true weight of this. He's young, but people are treating this like his career is over cause he's got a **** attitude.

[canada_dry]

I think you and most people would have a very different definition of the words slump. The last 10 games before tonight he has averaged 20/7/7, hell, he just put up 24/10/10 the last game. Y'all are so overdramatic

Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

1. Hes the franchise player. Hes held to a higher standard.

2. The others didn't walk off the floor like he did. They dont mope and have awful body language like he does consistently.

3. I do hold players like quickley accountable. I would direct you to the quickley thread. I believe in accountability all around, INCLUDING for scottie. Something I've failed to see from you and others. Constructive, not destructive, criticism. Babying is for the birds.

4. Analysis using just the box score has always been elementary and poor analysis. We have eyes. We see whats going on during the games. Its not great a lot of the times. And thats ok to say. You ask whats it gonna look like when he actually gives a damn for the whole game? I'd love to see.

5. This is what you wanted. This is what a tank looks like. **** basketball. **** players. **** performances. When people said scottie wouldnt be happy on trash teams , a lot of you guys insisted on tanking regardless, which is fine because it had to be done at this point, But a lot of you Didn't believe in the culture argument... We are now seeing the results of it with scottie and its just a month or 2 into it. Its tough. Dont complain and deflect about bad players when this is what a tank is and what you've wanted for years. Enjoy!

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[Scase]

Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

1. Hes the franchise player. Hes held to a higher standard.

2. The others didn't walk off the floor like he did. They dont mope and have awful body language like he does consistently.

3. I do hold players like quickley accountable. I would direct you to the quickley thread. I believe in accountability all around, INCLUDING for scottie. Something I've failed to see from you and others. Constructive, not destructive, criticism. Babying is for the birds.

4. Analysis using just the box score has always been elementary and poor analysis. We have eyes. We see whats going on during the games. Its not great a lot of the times. And thats ok to say. You ask whats it gonna look like when he actually gives a damn for the whole game? I'd love to see.

5. This is what you wanted. This is what a tank looks like. **** basketball. **** players. **** performances. When people said scottie wouldnt be happy on trash teams , a lot of you guys insisted on tanking regardless. Didn't believe in the culture argument... We are now seeing the results of it with scottie and its just a month or 2 into it. Its tough.

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Ah, there it is lol.

No, I wanted a tank that was done with planning in mind, not pushing things out to the absolute last second, and getting bad returns and losing assets for nothing. Don't put a bad job by Masai on people who wanted to rebuild 2 years ago.

I have said many times, in multiple threads tonight alone, his attitude sucks and needs to be better. But I also understand he's a 22 year old human, having teammates who can't even catch a **** ball is demoralizing, as is getting blown out constantly. I don't condone the way he walked out tonight, but you know what? I'd like to see more of the players do that, at least it shows they give a **** about the piss poor play being put forth.

This isn't tanking, this is a bad team playing poorly. You don't tank after trading your picks, you don't tank in a year where you don't have your picks. This is mismanagement under the guise of tanking.

[gp2015]

Its about more than the damn boxscores, man. It just is. Thats a very elementary way of looking at the game in 2024.

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Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

5. This is what you wanted. This is what a tank looks like. **** basketball. **** players. **** performances. When people said scottie wouldnt be happy on trash teams , a lot of you guys insisted on tanking regardless, which is fine because it had to be done at this point, But a lot of you Didn't believe in the culture argument... We are now seeing the results of it with scottie and its just a month or 2 into it. Its tough. Dont complain and deflect about bad players when this is what a tank is and what you've wanted for years. Enjoy!

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Sounds like you're the ones complaining about Scottie after a few tough games. You're the ones who can't take the tank and are melting down over a few bad games.

The anti-tankers are the ones complaining the most.

[Chandan]

if Scottie kicked a chair or something or slam on the wall while he was walking down the tunnel the whole narrative would be different.

[Tripod]

Got blown out by 49 pts the last 2 games.

Barnes was -5 in his minutes.

Meanwhile "StarJ" who a big chunk of the board are saying is the #1 option, -42 in his minutes.

And people wonder why Barnes shows frustration?

[AbC?]

Doesn’t have the mental makeup of a #1 and far more importantly, lacks the physical attributes. Slow twitch, weak first step, no explosiveness. 22 going on 35 the way he moves out there at times.

[tdotrep2]

Got blown out by 49 pts the last 2 games.

Barnes was -5 in his minutes.

Meanwhile "StarJ" who a big chunk of the board are saying is the #1 option, -42 in his minutes.

And people wonder why Barnes shows frustration?

a lot of it is a mix of not letting go the fact that they didnt want to draft him and the fred/siakam fans. It's all nonsense. A 22 year old kid had an off shooting game and people come for his neck. sad state. Same people who didn't say a peep when he play great vs mobley/allen. It shouldnt be a surprise that a young kid whos just getting use to this type of role will have good and bad games. These will be the same people in 2-3 years bitching about other guys on the team when scottie is a lot more consistent and we are trying to make pushes.

[tdotrep2]

Doesn’t have the mental makeup of a #1 and far more importantly, lacks the physical attributes. Slow twitch, weak first step, no explosiveness. 22 going on 35 the way he moves out there at times.

same guy at 22 is able to get to his spots despite having a limited handle/athleticism and create for others all the while averaging 20 on good efficiency Oh yea and is doing this while LEADING THE LEAGUE in distance travelled on the court at 6'8 240. If only he could get a more consistent shot/handle he might be a serviceable NBA player at the end of it

[canada_dry]

Listen, if you want to bitch and moan about his attitude, go for it, it needs improvement. But if you want to say it's about more than just box scores, then talk about his wildly improved defence. He's putting up stats, he's playing good defence, and he's the only one capable of running a halfway efficient HC offence on this team.


If Scottie is dogging it out there and still putting up those numbers, what does it say when people who AREN'T dogging it are playing even worse? IQ over the last 10, 15/3/6.6 on mediocre defence. Gary, 11/2/1 in 28 **** MPG. Like ****, I get he's the "franchise" player, but maybe just realize the team is playing like **** overall, and he's consistently the only positive on the team.

So maybe everyone should get some ire, not one player.

5. This is what you wanted. This is what a tank looks like. **** basketball. **** players. **** performances. When people said scottie wouldnt be happy on trash teams , a lot of you guys insisted on tanking regardless, which is fine because it had to be done at this point, But a lot of you Didn't believe in the culture argument... We are now seeing the results of it with scottie and its just a month or 2 into it. Its tough. Dont complain and deflect about bad players when this is what a tank is and what you've wanted for years. Enjoy!

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Sounds like you're the ones complaining about Scottie after a few tough games. You're the ones who can't take the tank and are melting down over a few bad games.

The anti-tankers are the ones complaining the most.

Forget whether i like it or not. To hell with me. SCOTTIE isnt liking it and seems unable to handle his emotions around all the losing and its JUST begun. The sad part about it is this could have been seen from a mile away. Not liking losimg AND the false narrative that pascal is just in scotties way that tank nation kept repeating. Honestly he's probably not sticking around long term at this point if this is a long term thing.

Ps. Im fine with tanking and actually having good process win or lose and having important reps in close games. This getting blown out consistently nonsense isnt it. Good basketball. Good process. Not this.

Was always ok with pivoting to something like a tank mid season including last year, and this year. The IQ and barrett trade i was a big fan of, and going young around the new core 3. Great. Its not supposed to be going this way though. No real lessons are being learned when we talk about "wins and lessons ".

I was always against becoming the Detroit pistons in a tear down. Thats not helping cade develop in any way, i always felt the same with scottie. Its detrimental at the end of the day.

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[gp2015]

5. This is what you wanted. This is what a tank looks like. **** basketball. **** players. **** performances. When people said scottie wouldnt be happy on trash teams , a lot of you guys insisted on tanking regardless, which is fine because it had to be done at this point, But a lot of you Didn't believe in the culture argument... We are now seeing the results of it with scottie and its just a month or 2 into it. Its tough. Dont complain and deflect about bad players when this is what a tank is and what you've wanted for years. Enjoy!

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Sounds like you're the ones complaining about Scottie after a few tough games. You're the ones who can't take the tank and are melting down over a few bad games.

The anti-tankers are the ones complaining the most.

Forget whether i like it or not. To hell with me. SCOTTIE isnt liking it and seems unable to handle his emotions around all the losing and its JUST begun. The sad part about it is this could have been seen from a mile away. Honestly he's probably not sticking around long term at this point if this is a long term thing.

Ps. Im fine with tanking and actually having good process win or lose and having important reps in close games. This getting blown out consistently nonsense isnt it. Good basketball. Good process. Not this.

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Scottie has some maturing to do. Lowry was immature and so was Pascal at one point. We never gave up on those guys so why do we have expectations that Scottie should be above all that at 22?

If we're still talking about this in a few years, then yes we have some major problems but it's silly to expect him to act and play like a veteran at this point.

No one likes losing and this is probably his first time actually struggling and losing in basketball. People just need to have a bit more patience all around and not panic after a few bad games.

At some point in his career, Scottie will face adversity (even if it's not with us) and he needs to learn from it and get better. I would rather he go through this now and move on from it rather than later.

[Chandan]

he's just deflated by defeat. He's a high end talent but not on Wemby's tier. I am sure he'll bounce back.

[HumbleRen]

Troubling but fixable. Masai might need to cut his France trip short and give a talking to Scottie.

Losing sucks but you don’t leave your troops before the game ends, especially not when you getting outclassed in every single shape and form by Wemby.

You’re a unique talent Scottie, but you’re not a special talent like Luka or Wemby of the worlds. Fix the attitude.

[MiamiSPX]

Troubling but fixable. Masai might need to cut his France trip short and give a talking to Scottie.

Losing sucks but you don’t leave your troops before the game ends, especially not when you getting outclassed in every single shape and form by Wemby.

You’re a unique talent Scottie, but you’re not a special talent like Luka or Wemby of the worlds. Fix the attitude.

Yup. You have to stick around and take your lumps like a man. Those postgame niceties are rough when you were just humiliated, but the rest of your teammates when through with them. That better be the last time that happens.