Jayson Tatum Thread – (All-NBA Team, 2024)

[Triple7]

I know the majority want JT to get to the hole more, but right now it's not a good idea to keep attacking the rim when it's just the regular season.

What JT should do is go all out when it's the playoffs or finals.

Right now a few pull up 3s is fine.

It just lowers the chance of injury.

Also a pull mid range would be much better, more efficient.

[Triple7]

1) The best player on the last 5 teams to win the NBA title: Jokic, Steph, Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi

2) The age each of them was, the first time they won the title:
Jokic: 28
Steph: 27
Giannis: 26
LeBron: 27
Kawhi 28 (age when he won 2019 title since I can 't really say he led spurs to 2014 title since he had Duncan, Ginobili and parker on the team - who had all won a bunch of rungs together before Kawhi).

Jordan won his first ring at age 27.

The magic number seems to be in that age 26-28 range. Tatum right now is 25. He'll be 26 during the 2024 playoffs. He's just now entering his window to win titles.

Steph won a ring at age 34. LeBron won a ring at 35. So Tatum could have a 9 year window (age 26 to 35) to try and win titles.

3) Can Tatum join that group? Objectively, I'd say he's got a good shot. Why?
-5x all-star
-2x all-NBA 1st team
-4 trips to conference finals
-1 trip to NBA finals

All that and he's still only 25. Who in NBA history has ever had that kind of resume by age 25? Idk if anyone has. LeBron? Kobe? maybe Wade, Russell, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Magic? Hakeem?

Guess what, all those dudes led teams to titles. I'd say there's a good chance Tatum will too.

MJ didn't take the Bulls to an NBA finals till he was 27. Tatum did it at age 24.

While that may be true, Tatum can’t afford to get to the finals and lose again. Its better not to get to the finals at all, than go there and lose. He will be branded a loser and incapable of getting his team ovet the hump. The stigma will linger till he wins one.

[Hal14]

1) The best player on the last 5 teams to win the NBA title: Jokic, Steph, Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi

2) The age each of them was, the first time they won the title:
Jokic: 28
Steph: 27
Giannis: 26
LeBron: 27
Kawhi 28 (age when he won 2019 title since I can 't really say he led spurs to 2014 title since he had Duncan, Ginobili and parker on the team - who had all won a bunch of rungs together before Kawhi).

Jordan won his first ring at age 27.

The magic number seems to be in that age 26-28 range. Tatum right now is 25. He'll be 26 during the 2024 playoffs. He's just now entering his window to win titles.

Steph won a ring at age 34. LeBron won a ring at 35. So Tatum could have a 9 year window (age 26 to 35) to try and win titles.

3) Can Tatum join that group? Objectively, I'd say he's got a good shot. Why?
-5x all-star
-2x all-NBA 1st team
-4 trips to conference finals
-1 trip to NBA finals

All that and he's still only 25. Who in NBA history has ever had that kind of resume by age 25? Idk if anyone has. LeBron? Kobe? maybe Wade, Russell, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Magic? Hakeem?

Guess what, all those dudes led teams to titles. I'd say there's a good chance Tatum will too.

MJ didn't take the Bulls to an NBA finals till he was 27. Tatum did it at age 24.

While that may be true, Tatum can’t afford to get to the finals and lose again. Its better not to get to the finals at all, than go there and lose. He will be branded a loser and incapable of getting his team ovet the hump. The stigma will linger till he wins one.

Eh, idk. LeBron got swept in his first NBA finals. Then put on a really bad performance in his 2nd NBA finals, losing that series as well - but since then he's won 4 titles..and many people consider him the GOAT.

Let's see how this season plays out..but Tatum is still only 25 and most stars don't win a ring till they're at least 27..

[Fierce1]

I know the majority want JT to get to the hole more, but right now it's not a good idea to keep attacking the rim when it's just the regular season.

What JT should do is go all out when it's the playoffs or finals.

Right now a few pull up 3s is fine.

It just lowers the chance of injury.

Also a pull mid range would be much better, more efficient.

100%

He was doing that his first 2 years in the NBA.

I think JT should go back to the mid-range more.

[KamikazeK]

1) The best player on the last 5 teams to win the NBA title: Jokic, Steph, Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi

2) The age each of them was, the first time they won the title:
Jokic: 28
Steph: 27
Giannis: 26
LeBron: 27
Kawhi 28 (age when he won 2019 title since I can 't really say he led spurs to 2014 title since he had Duncan, Ginobili and parker on the team - who had all won a bunch of rungs together before Kawhi).

Jordan won his first ring at age 27.

The magic number seems to be in that age 26-28 range. Tatum right now is 25. He'll be 26 during the 2024 playoffs. He's just now entering his window to win titles.

Steph won a ring at age 34. LeBron won a ring at 35. So Tatum could have a 9 year window (age 26 to 35) to try and win titles.

3) Can Tatum join that group? Objectively, I'd say he's got a good shot. Why?
-5x all-star
-2x all-NBA 1st team
-4 trips to conference finals
-1 trip to NBA finals

All that and he's still only 25. Who in NBA history has ever had that kind of resume by age 25? Idk if anyone has. LeBron? Kobe? maybe Wade, Russell, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Magic? Hakeem?

Guess what, all those dudes led teams to titles. I'd say there's a good chance Tatum will too.

MJ didn't take the Bulls to an NBA finals till he was 27. Tatum did it at age 24.

While that may be true, Tatum can’t afford to get to the finals and lose again. Its better not to get to the finals at all, than go there and lose. He will be branded a loser and incapable of getting his team ovet the hump. The stigma will linger till he wins one.

It's better to go to the Finals more and lose than it is to lose before the Finals.

[Parliament10]

1) The best player on the last 5 teams to win the NBA title: Jokic, Steph, Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi

2) The age each of them was, the first time they won the title:
Jokic: 28
Steph: 27
Giannis: 26
LeBron: 27
Kawhi 28 (age when he won 2019 title since I can 't really say he led spurs to 2014 title since he had Duncan, Ginobili and parker on the team - who had all won a bunch of rungs together before Kawhi).

Jordan won his first ring at age 27.

The magic number seems to be in that age 26-28 range. Tatum right now is 25. He'll be 26 during the 2024 playoffs. He's just now entering his window to win titles.

Steph won a ring at age 34. LeBron won a ring at 35. So Tatum could have a 9 year window (age 26 to 35) to try and win titles.

3) Can Tatum join that group? Objectively, I'd say he's got a good shot. Why?
-5x all-star
-2x all-NBA 1st team
-4 trips to conference finals
-1 trip to NBA finals

All that and he's still only 25. Who in NBA history has ever had that kind of resume by age 25? Idk if anyone has. LeBron? Kobe? maybe Wade, Russell, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Wilt, Magic? Hakeem?

Guess what, all those dudes led teams to titles. I'd say there's a good chance Tatum will too.

MJ didn't take the Bulls to an NBA finals till he was 27. Tatum did it at age 24.

While that may be true, Tatum can’t afford to get to the finals and lose again. Its better not to get to the finals at all, than go there and lose. He will be branded a loser and incapable of getting his team ovet the hump. The stigma will linger till he wins one.

It's better to go to the Finals more and lose than it is to lose before the Finals.

I think that the pressure is on. But, that Tatum and the Whole Team, is just locked into getting that Ring.
82-Game Regular Season (about 6 months), then 4 Playoff Rounds (another 2 months).

[BK_2020]

I know the majority want JT to get to the hole more, but right now it's not a good idea to keep attacking the rim when it's just the regular season.

What JT should do is go all out when it's the playoffs or finals.

Right now a few pull up 3s is fine.

It just lowers the chance of injury.

Also a pull mid range would be much better, more efficient.

Didn't he used to shoot the midrange pull up all the time and everyone was angry at him for not going to the rim or shooting a three?

[zoyathedestroya]

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[KillahGhostface]

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Maybe the best playmaking stretch of his career. 49 assists to 19 turnovers in 7 games. The spacing helps a ton but also notice how his teammates move into open space, relocate, and cut whenever he has the ball and draws the attention of a crowd.
One of my favorite plays from the Miami game:

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[KillahGhostface]

It’s funny that despite how stacked the team is, Tatum is still defended like this by almost every top team. I still laugh at the poster who said he disputes that Tatum is defended differently than Jaylen.

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[SuperDeluxe]

It’s funny that despite how stacked the team is, Tatum is still defended like this by almost every top team. I still laugh at the poster who said he disputes that Tatum is defended differently than Jaylen.

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Most of the times that Brown is guarded by 2-3 defenders is (was?) when he runs into them.

[zoyathedestroya]

He's not gonna win MVP. But it's just weird that "the best player on the best team (ahead by at least 4 games)" barely gets a mention in MVP convos. It's like they've taken the "he's got more help than other candidates" to an extreme. SGA has Chet and J-Dub. Jokic has Murray. Doncic had Grant Williams. Kawhi has 3 HOFers ffs. Mitchell's and Brunson's teams are deep. Tatum doesn't even have a coach, if some are to be believed.

[165bows]

He's not gonna win MVP. But it's just weird that "the best player on the best team (ahead by at least 4 games)" barely gets a mention in MVP convos. It's like they've taken the "he's got more help than other candidates" to an extreme. SGA has Chet and J-Dub. Jokic has Murray. Doncic had Grant Williams. Kawhi has 3 HOFers ffs. Mitchell's and Brunson's teams are deep. Tatum doesn't even have a coach, if some are to be believed.

Made the point on the thread on the GB but somehow no one notices how much better guys are with Tatum. Al was great with Tatum then washed up now he’s good again. Grant is worth $50M with Tatum now he’s a salary dump. Brogdon is 6MOTY now he’s a literal nobody. Crazy how no one notices this.

[zoyathedestroya]

He's not gonna win MVP. But it's just weird that "the best player on the best team (ahead by at least 4 games)" barely gets a mention in MVP convos. It's like they've taken the "he's got more help than other candidates" to an extreme. SGA has Chet and J-Dub. Jokic has Murray. Doncic had Grant Williams. Kawhi has 3 HOFers ffs. Mitchell's and Brunson's teams are deep. Tatum doesn't even have a coach, if some are to be believed.

Made the point on the thread on the GB but somehow no one notices how much better guys are with Tatum. Al was great with Tatum then washed up now he’s good again. Grant is worth $50M with Tatum now he’s a salary dump. Brogdon is 6MOTY now he’s a literal nobody. Crazy how no one notices this.

Even him just playing with none of the next 3 best players on the roster produces great results -- +15.6 net rating w/ Tatum and White/KP/Brown sitting on considerable sample size (619 possessions).

[KillahGhostface]

He's not gonna win MVP. But it's just weird that "the best player on the best team (ahead by at least 4 games)" barely gets a mention in MVP convos. It's like they've taken the "he's got more help than other candidates" to an extreme. SGA has Chet and J-Dub. Jokic has Murray. Doncic had Grant Williams. Kawhi has 3 HOFers ffs. Mitchell's and Brunson's teams are deep. Tatum doesn't even have a coach, if some are to be believed.

It’s funny to me, because well let’s look at some numbers

Tatum on, Holiday off: +16.2
Tatum on, Jaylen off: +15 net
Tatum on, KP off: +8
Tatum on, Derrick off: +4.8

Tatum on, Jaylen/KP/Holiday off: +25.4
Tatum on, White/Jaylen/KP off: +15.6
Tatum on, Jaylen/White/Holiday off: +12.1

Tatum/Pritch/Hauser/Kornet on: +20

To be able to make any combination of players perform at elite levels is as valuable as it gets lol.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

He's not gonna win MVP. But it's just weird that "the best player on the best team (ahead by at least 4 games)" barely gets a mention in MVP convos. It's like they've taken the "he's got more help than other candidates" to an extreme. SGA has Chet and J-Dub. Jokic has Murray. Doncic had Grant Williams. Kawhi has 3 HOFers ffs. Mitchell's and Brunson's teams are deep. Tatum doesn't even have a coach, if some are to be believed.

Maybe if other stars were as complete as Tatum and could fit next to anybody, it would make talent acquisition easier for their franchises. Maybe if others stars didn't throw their teammates under the bus after playoff exits forcing their franchise to trade their #2, it would make talent retention easier. Maybe if others stars didn't feel the need to put up a 40% usage rate on a monday night against the Hornets to pad their stats and freeze out their teammates, they would have a more cohesive team. Sure Tatum has more help than any other leading candidate for the MVP (and having Ainge and Stevens as GM for his entire NBA career has helped) but it's also ok to acknowledge the role he has played in creating that situation. That to me is valuable.

[Bar Fight]

He's not gonna win MVP. But it's just weird that "the best player on the best team (ahead by at least 4 games)" barely gets a mention in MVP convos. It's like they've taken the "he's got more help than other candidates" to an extreme. SGA has Chet and J-Dub. Jokic has Murray. Doncic had Grant Williams. Kawhi has 3 HOFers ffs. Mitchell's and Brunson's teams are deep. Tatum doesn't even have a coach, if some are to be believed.

It's always going to be hard with the gaudy numbers other guys in the league put up.

[Celts17Pride]

ESPN put out their updated MVP rankings, Jayson Tatum is ranked 6th. I have to say I don't understand how the best player on clearly the best team in the NBA is so lowly ranked. I guess winning doesn't matter anymore. Tatum should be at least in the Top 3.

[zoyathedestroya]

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