PG: Spurs stomp the Raptors

[ItsDanger]

Wemby has the benefit of learning from Manu, Duncan, etc. Who do the Raps use to assist young players? Garrett Temple?

Remember when the coach was selling us on the veteran leadership and guidance from Tha...Theo...can't remember his name. Anyways we traded him for nothing. That guy.

Steve Nash is RJ's godfather. Bring him in to teach IQ the pick and roll at an elite level.

[DelAbbot]

Whether its inadvertent or not they are tanking.

There is a big disconnect with this fanbase and the term "tanking". Tanking is when the FO tries to lose as many games as possible in a given year to draft high, usually a superstar. Examples are Spurs for Duncan, Spurs for David Robinson, Spurs for Wemby, bubble Raps. If a FO wants to to win on any given night, and makes moves at the deadline to improve the team (Kelly, although throwing Schroder in the dumpster cancels this out I guess), but they still lose a lot, that is not tanking.

Some might argue that trading OG and Pascal means tanking but they were gone in FA so it was just recouping value and getting younger, they didnt make these trades to improve their draft pick this year.

If it was truly a commited tank Gary would have been sent out for anything. There wasn't a firesale on Jak or Brown. With Brown they were looking for specific types of assets.

The Kelly/OA move was for fit and also a goal of not having too many draft picks. Dennis was a chemistry/cap move.

Cap space, 2025 and beyond picks, team fit were all prioritized over this year's standings. It's not clear that they're planning to tank next year either. The pivot off of Siakam/OG was just the FO blinking before the offseason. They could easily just delude themselves into more Jak moves this offseason. We don't know yet. Signals muddled.

This. Masai is determined to aim for the middle. He has learned nothing from the failure of mediocre team of FVV+PS+OG. He will keep on trying different combinations of players, like Colangelo, looking for a team fit that will magically unlock us and go into the next level (playoffs) - all the while completely refusing to believe we need more talent from being the high lottery.

I'm completely done with Masai's (lack of) vision and his salesmanship.

[rapsincr]

It's okay for me to trade Barnes. He's not as competitive as most fans think, he's a mediocre shooter, he has other skills but not good enough.

PHEWWWWW, everyone here was concerned whether or not it was ok with you to trade him, now the team has the green light, which im sure they are relieved to hear.
also, thank you as well for your stellar insight into his lack of compete and shooting skills, clearly you have information none of us have and are just being kind enough to share it with the rest of us.

please make sure to let us all know when you have the next scoop on him, that is if hes still with the team.




lol this fanbase is ridiculous.

[gp2015]

Which were awesome accomplishments and nothing being taken away from him. But winning ROTY is not a big enough deal to be handed the keys to the franchise / offense. We are seeing now Scottie is not ready / good enough yet for that role.

Will he grow into it? Maybe / hopefully but he never projected to be a #1 guy anyways so it is no given he is gonna get there.

I dont think Freddy has any insecurities. He if anything has been proven right as the offense has not been as good with Scottie at the helm as it was with Scottie at the helm. You cannot really blame a guy for not wanting to take a backseat to a lesser talent at that particular thing, even if Scottie is the superior defender / playmaker, it does not make him the necessarily best player to run the entire offense

Well, we got no where with Freddy and Pascal leading the team offense so now we're trying something new.

It may or may not work out with Scottie but there is no point in continuing to repeat something that was not working.

What is obvious is that Scottie can't lead the offense himself and needs more help.

I mean sure, but that is an entirely different argument.

Yeah, FVV/Pascal were not good enough to be contenders. That being said, they both are more suited to be higher options in an offense than Scottie currently is. Both can be true at the same time. Scottie has the highest ceiling of them all, but there are no guarantees he will reach it

He is the best option we have at the moment and management has put all their chips in on him. We'll see if he can handle it in time. Most likely, he will need help.

[___Rand___]

It's apparent to me this team is competitive or can win when Darko has good game plan for the team we're facing. When he doesn't, we lose in the most embarassing fashion. Darko needs 2 more coaching staff: an offensive specialist, and a defensive specialist. Just pure tacticians who can scheme up ****. Next season. This season is a lost cause.

[TravisScott55]

THIS IS IS NOT A TANK. We dont have our pick and we have masai's "young core" already. That is what is sad. If we had scrubs and we were tanking for picks that is a whole different situation.



We arent tanking

Whether its inadvertent or not they are tanking.

And we MIGHT have our pick.

So many people don't understand how the lottery works lol.

[Durant Durant]

Oops wrong board

[Harry Palmer]

To me, and I realize I’m tilting at windmills here, but I have never liked the term ‘tanking’ which to me borders on involving the players. You never want players to not want to win. You should be doing what you can to maximize your lottery balls as an organization, but never the players, they should be judged on their fight just as much as anyone. Otherwise it can become a cancer. Coaches can prioritize development, but never overtly teaching players to give anything but their all excepting medical concerns. So I prefer ‘rebuilding’ or ‘building through the draft’ or w/e. But I know I lost this fight a long time ago.

[YogurtProducer]

To me, and I realize I’m tilting at windmills here, but I have never liked the term ‘tanking’ which to me borders on involving the players. You never want players to not want to win. You should be doing what you can to maximize your lottery balls as an organization, but never the players, they should be judged on their fight just as much as anyone. Otherwise it can become a cancer. Coaches can prioritize development, but never overtly teaching players to give anything but their all excepting medical concerns. So I prefer ‘rebuilding’ or ‘building through the draft’ or w/e. But I know I lost this fight a long time ago.

I think most people agree with that.

I don't think I have seen any pro-tankers say they want the players to not try.

Personally, I can see the pro-tank arguments but whenever I watch a game I still cheer for the team to play well and for us to win. To me, if you cant win with the guys you got then you have a lot bigger problems. Anyone who thinks winning is a bad thing is out to lunch IMO.

[Harry Palmer]

To me, and I realize I’m tilting at windmills here, but I have never liked the term ‘tanking’ which to me borders on involving the players. You never want players to not want to win. You should be doing what you can to maximize your lottery balls as an organization, but never the players, they should be judged on their fight just as much as anyone. Otherwise it can become a cancer. Coaches can prioritize development, but never overtly teaching players to give anything but their all excepting medical concerns. So I prefer ‘rebuilding’ or ‘building through the draft’ or w/e. But I know I lost this fight a long time ago.

I think most people agree with that.

I don't think I have seen any pro-tankers say they want the players to not try.

Personally, I can see the pro-tank arguments but whenever I watch a game I still cheer for the team to play well and for us to win. To me, if you cant win with the guys you got then you have a lot bigger problems. Anyone who thinks winning is a bad thing is out to lunch IMO.

For a long time I had that dichotomy, wanting us to lose except when the game was on. And in a way it’s a kind of no-lose place, you’re experientially happy if we win but strategically happy if we lose. But for me over time…and remember BC was still in charge when I was last regularly posting…it began to feel like an investment in perpetual mediocrity, and therefore harder to feel enthused about. I think one way of kind of side-stepping the overall process is concentrating on the player or players who will really matter. Like right now I basically just watch Scottie. Over time with BC even that became difficult, but like I had no problem with most of his later draft picks, they were often who I’d have picked in the same situation, but feeling constantly out of the potential franchise player pool eventually just wore me down and I was just not enjoying it enough anymore.

Massai getting hired rekindled some but my life was also changing a lot and I just didn’t have the same time or energy, and when he backed out of his avowed rebuild position I was kinda like ok, maybe later. The Kawai rumours were both encouraging and discouraging, the former because we were finally stopping all this ‘you don’t need superstars, Remember The Pistons’ stuff, but otoh he was the most rock solid free agent destination guy I have ever seen, like to the point where his agents probably wanted to put a lid on it, so it was imo obviously a one shot deal and then what? I’d be lying if I said I thought a championship was likely even in that one season, but I at least knew we’d be in the real conversation. And oddly despite missing the best years I am less certain Massai has to go than others who were here for it. I feel he has demonstrated skills that might come back into play. But I admit without his prior work, if he was just being evaluated on the years since the chip there have been a lot more head scratching decisions than good ones, so I get the frustration and am not at all convinced I know whether or not we should want him here. I just haven’t heard a proposed replacement that does anything for me either.

[Basketball_Jones]

Humiliating loss. The sub stories of trading for their Poeltl while forgoing a chance at a shot of the guy who they drafted (Wemby) and possibly handing them a pick end of this season while they whupped our ass. It’s insane.

[Chandan]

It's apparent to me this team is competitive or can win when Darko has good game plan for the team we're facing. When he doesn't, we lose in the most embarassing fashion. Darko needs 2 more coaching staff: an offensive specialist, and a defensive specialist. Just pure tacticians who can scheme up ****. Next season. This season is a lost cause.

i think it's the other way around. This team is competitive or can win when the other team hasn't game plan for us. When they do take a tiny bit of time and watch some of our tapes, we lose in the most embarrassing fashion because we are easily stifled and the defense dismantled.

[Fairview4Life]

And what do they classify as a hook shot? Jump hook is further from the basket. Little hooks very close to the basket is basically just layups for centres. Some people here just like to argue.

Just scroll down the page. They break it down into like 100 categories. It’s why I posted the link. They will also let you watch each shot if you want, so you can send them a strongly worded email if you believe they misclassified something. Stop being so **** lazy and spend a few minutes looking into something before running your mouth.

[ItsDanger]

And what do they classify as a hook shot? Jump hook is further from the basket. Little hooks very close to the basket is basically just layups for centres. Some people here just like to argue.

Just scroll down the page. They break it down into like 100 categories. It’s why I posted the link. They will also let you watch each shot if you want, so you can send them a strongly worded email if you believe they misclassified something. Stop being so **** lazy and spend a few minutes looking into something before running your mouth.

Not by distance. Its only paint/restricted area. Im talking 8-10' jump hooks to clear the defender.

[Fairview4Life]

And what do they classify as a hook shot? Jump hook is further from the basket. Little hooks very close to the basket is basically just layups for centres. Some people here just like to argue.

Just scroll down the page. They break it down into like 100 categories. It’s why I posted the link. They will also let you watch each shot if you want, so you can send them a strongly worded email if you believe they misclassified something. Stop being so **** lazy and spend a few minutes looking into something before running your mouth.

Not by distance. Its only paint/restricted area. Im talking 8-10' jump hooks to clear the defender.

I will try again.

Click this link: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627751/shooting

This is a list of every single shot he has taken this year and how NBA.com has classified them. They have a big hook shot bucket near the top of the page, but if you scroll down (that means looking further down the page) you can see a shot type detail section. That detail section breaks all of the shots down into much more specific slices, including:

Driving Bank Hook Shot
Driving Hook Shot
Hook Bank Shot
Hook Shot
Turnaround Bank Hook Shot
Turnaround Hook Shot

In addition, you can click the little blue numbers by each shot type to bring up every single field goal he attempted this season. Then you can add a quick play type filter to find only the play types with the word "hook" in them. You can also add distance filters if you want.

Here is a link to watch all 44 of his hook shots.

It is ok to look into something you're interested in from time to time. A curious mind is a sign of intelligence.

[ItsDanger]

Just scroll down the page. They break it down into like 100 categories. It’s why I posted the link. They will also let you watch each shot if you want, so you can send them a strongly worded email if you believe they misclassified something. Stop being so **** lazy and spend a few minutes looking into something before running your mouth.

Not by distance. Its only paint/restricted area. Im talking 8-10' jump hooks to clear the defender.

I will try again.

Click this link: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627751/shooting

This is a list of every single shot he has taken this year and how NBA.com has classified them. They have a big hook shot bucket near the top of the page, but if you scroll down (that means looking further down the page) you can see a shot type detail section. That detail section breaks all of the shots down into much more specific slices, including:

Driving Bank Hook Shot
Driving Hook Shot
Hook Bank Shot
Hook Shot
Turnaround Bank Hook Shot
Turnaround Hook Shot

In addition, you can click the little blue numbers by each shot type to bring up every single field goal he attempted this season. Then you can add a quick play type filter to find only the play types with the word "hook" in them. You can also add distance filters if you want.

Here is a link to watch all 44 of his hook shots.

It is ok to look into something you're interested in from time to time. A curious mind is a sign of intelligence.

The 1st hook shot listed wasnt even a hook shot.

[Fairview4Life]

Not by distance. Its only paint/restricted area. Im talking 8-10' jump hooks to clear the defender.

I will try again.

Click this link: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627751/shooting

This is a list of every single shot he has taken this year and how NBA.com has classified them. They have a big hook shot bucket near the top of the page, but if you scroll down (that means looking further down the page) you can see a shot type detail section. That detail section breaks all of the shots down into much more specific slices, including:

Driving Bank Hook Shot
Driving Hook Shot
Hook Bank Shot
Hook Shot
Turnaround Bank Hook Shot
Turnaround Hook Shot

In addition, you can click the little blue numbers by each shot type to bring up every single field goal he attempted this season. Then you can add a quick play type filter to find only the play types with the word "hook" in them. You can also add distance filters if you want.

Here is a link to watch all 44 of his hook shots.

It is ok to look into something you're interested in from time to time. A curious mind is a sign of intelligence.

The 1st hook shot listed wasnt even a hook shot.

From the link I posted for you, since I sorted by play type, this is the first shot listed:

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2023/11/02/0022300128/91/cd17a0be-d917-3881-1862-6cec211f4b37_1280x720.mp4

It is classified as a "Driving Bank Hook Shot" and you can go ahead and write an email to NBA.com if you think that isn't a driving bank hook shot and I am betting they will ignore you.

Just as a heads up, the auto play will start at the first FGA of the year, you need to click the actual plays below to video player to watch them. The list is filtered, but I can't come to your house and click each link for you.

Some people here just like to argue.

Got it. Carry on then.

[ItsDanger]

I will try again.

Click this link: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627751/shooting

This is a list of every single shot he has taken this year and how NBA.com has classified them. They have a big hook shot bucket near the top of the page, but if you scroll down (that means looking further down the page) you can see a shot type detail section. That detail section breaks all of the shots down into much more specific slices, including:

Driving Bank Hook Shot
Driving Hook Shot
Hook Bank Shot
Hook Shot
Turnaround Bank Hook Shot
Turnaround Hook Shot

In addition, you can click the little blue numbers by each shot type to bring up every single field goal he attempted this season. Then you can add a quick play type filter to find only the play types with the word "hook" in them. You can also add distance filters if you want.

Here is a link to watch all 44 of his hook shots.

It is ok to look into something you're interested in from time to time. A curious mind is a sign of intelligence.

The 1st hook shot listed wasnt even a hook shot.

From the link I posted for you, since I sorted by play type, this is the first shot listed:

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2023/11/02/0022300128/91/cd17a0be-d917-3881-1862-6cec211f4b37_1280x720.mp4

It is classified as a "Driving Bank Hook Shot" and you can go ahead and write an email to NBA.com if you think that isn't a driving bank hook shot and I am betting they will ignore you.

Just as a heads up, the auto play will start at the first FGA of the year, you need to click the actual plays below to video player to watch them. The list is filtered, but I can't come to your house and click each link for you.

Some people here just like to argue.

Got it. Carry on then.

Driving bank shot is not a jump hook. I'm done

[Fairview4Life]

lol, a driving bank hook shot, which is exactly the shot he took on that one play, is indeed a hook shot. If you want to focus on one specific play type, you can. That’s what the link and the videos are for.

[Kingsway_fan]

Humiliating loss. The sub stories of trading for their Poeltl while forgoing a chance at a shot of the guy who they drafted (Wemby) and possibly handing them a pick end of this season while they whupped our ass. It’s insane.

Masai has done a fantastic job ... for the Spurs

Warned. Spamming.