PG: Refs and Thibs f*Ck us

[mpharris36]

i actually question the bogs for grimes part of the trade more than burks for 2 seconds. who cares about 2 2nds. if burks had another year on his deal i don't think they do the other part. i'm not sure it's a good idea to give up a young asset because you MIGHT need a contract to trade over the summer. if burks doesn't work out who cares. you gave up nothing.

because they didn't want to give up fournier without getting a future tradable contract back.

Bogs helps this year a little and then has a usable contract in a trade next year.

Otherwise they would have had to use Fournier for Burks which would have been a disaster in the offseason.

we really don't know that. just because you want a star doesn't mean you can get one. one has to be available and you have to have the package the other team wants. it's not that easy as saying we're gonna get one this summer because it's good for us financially. it's more likely we don't get one than do.

its been there plan for over a year to strike in the offseason. Whether that comes to fruition or not they certainly want that option since that is the ideal scenario.

Imagine prepping for the star trade and then not having the tradable salary to get it done...

[K_ick_God]

In general, I'd say it's a bad idea to try to make scorers and dribblers into role players, and older players even more so. They should be able to hit shots and add energy, run the floor.

Good shooting should translate but neither AB nor BB is a spot shooter really.

[Capn'O]

This circle of trust thing is a very frail hook to hang your hat on folks. Grimes was the starting 2. Hartenstein wasn't named the starter after Mitch went out. You guys want to believe with all your heart, maybe, that OG is some mainstay for sure. That seems pretty suspect. More minutes than Bojan? Sure. But like 40 compared to 10? I disagree. I'll leave it there I guess unless I have something new to say lol.

Hopefully, it's something like a 32 and 16 distribution. OG is a little fragile but should be getting the lions share of minutes. His defensive ability is basically porn for Thibs.

[K_ick_God]

This circle of trust thing is a very frail hook to hang your hat on folks. Grimes was the starting 2. Hartenstein wasn't named the starter after Mitch went out. You guys want to believe with all your heart, maybe, that OG is some mainstay for sure. That seems pretty suspect. More minutes than Bojan? Sure. But like 40 compared to 10? I disagree. I'll leave it there I guess unless I have something new to say lol.

Hopefully, it's something like a 32 and 16 distribution. OG is a little fragile but should be getting the lions share of minutes. His defensive ability is basically porn for Thibs.

Good post and I hope you're right.

[god shammgod]

because they didn't want to give up fournier without getting a future tradable contract back.

Bogs helps this year a little and then has a usable contract in a trade next year.

Otherwise they would have had to use Fournier for Burks which would have been a disaster in the offseason.

we really don't know that. just because you want a star doesn't mean you can get one. one has to be available and you have to have the package the other team wants. it's not that easy as saying we're gonna get one this summer because it's good for us financially. it's more likely we don't get one than do.

its been there plan for over a year to strike in the offseason. Whether that comes to fruition or not they certainly want that option since that is the ideal scenario.

Imagine prepping for the star trade and then not having the tradable salary to get it done...

i still say they're gonna have to choose between this star player and randle because you can't have 4 guys making max or close to max salaries. but they could have them for 1 year as we've discussed. i guess that's the plan. all in for 2025. we'll see if it works out.

[Capn'O]

Also, I'll give Thibs his flowers and the credit that he's usually pretty good about figuring out who gives us the best chance to win and responding appropriately. He'll bench you if you're not contributing to wins unless you're Randle. I could definitely see him sub Deuce for Burks for our run if he thinks it'd help.

Other than being a complete maniac, he's a really good coach.

[Capn'O]

we really don't know that. just because you want a star doesn't mean you can get one. one has to be available and you have to have the package the other team wants. it's not that easy as saying we're gonna get one this summer because it's good for us financially. it's more likely we don't get one than do.

its been there plan for over a year to strike in the offseason. Whether that comes to fruition or not they certainly want that option since that is the ideal scenario.

Imagine prepping for the star trade and then not having the tradable salary to get it done...

i still say they're gonna have to choose between this star player and randle because you can't have 4 guys making max or close to max salaries. but they could have them for 1 year as we've discussed. i guess that's the plan. all in for 2025. we'll see if it works out.

Randle would almost have to be an outgoing trade component.

[cgmw]

I don't see how Burks is a playoff option though, he's never been really good/efficient in them. His game hasn't translated to the playoffs, to me he's just a stop gap to help us get there by making sure Tom doesn't play Jalen 47.5mpg. I don't see how you can put him on the court against better defenders who will quiet a lot of what he does down and then go at him on the other end.

Bojan however has been an effective/efficient offensive weapon in the playoffs.

You playing Brunson 48 mpg?

You think Thibs trusts Deuce?

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should trade for Durant next year so Thibs can finish his career

[3toheadmelo]

y'all really can't handle losing a few. jesus. this place is rough right now. they should never gave you a winning streak lol

we just hate alec burks

lmao why??

fully healthy, he will be a luxury to have

yeah he will be a luxury to have if hes racking up dnps

[iLLmatic860]

Knicks should trade for Durant next year so Thibs can finish his career

if thats the goal..how about we sign the referee from last night

[3toheadmelo]

listen, i don't know if burks is gonna work out. and i hate when i have to be the voice of reason here. it's not my preferred role lol. i want to make quips and call melo fat. but when you trade for a guy they're gonna play him for awhile and see what he has until you're sure it's not working. and he just got here. it is what it is.

i think the idea is eventually to have options in the playoffs. we need defense off the bench and you got precious/mcbride. you need offense and you have bojan/burks. you can mix and match where you need it. yay team. thank you. i hate you all.

sham being the voice of reason is the kiss of death

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[Jeff Van Gully]

In general, I'd say it's a bad idea to try to make scorers and dribblers into role players, and older players even more so. They should be able to hit shots and add energy, run the floor.

Good shooting should translate but neither AB or BB is a spot shooter really.

bro... you sure?

bojan is in the 80+ percentile of spot-up shooters, and that's not even adjusted for minimum. dude shooting like 49% on 4 spot-ups per game. quite literally one of the best in the game.

i might have heard once or twice you don't like the trade, but damn.

[KnixinSix]

The all star break is going to be huge for this team to get healthy.

And with the added depth we will go 10-11 deep with guys who can get legitimate minutes and be a positive for the team. I would expect/hope what happens when OG,I-Hart, Randle and Mitch all return that no top guy should get more than 30-32 minutes a game in the REGULAR season.

I-Hart (25), Mitchell (23)
Randle (30), Bojan (8), Achiwa(10)
OG(30), Bojan(18)
DDV(30), Burks (18)
Brunson(32), Burks (8), McBride(8)

[Jalen Bluntson]

The all star break is going to be huge for this team to get healthy.

And with the added depth we will go 10-11 deep with guys who can get legitimate minutes and be a positive for the team. I would expect/hope what happens when OG,I-Hart, Randle and Mitch all return that no top guy should get more than 30-32 minutes a game in the REGULAR season.

I-Hart (25), Mitchell (23)
Randle (30), Bojan (8), Achiwa(10)
OG(30), Bojan(18)
DDV(30), Burks (18)
Brunson(32), Burks (8), McBride(8)

[K_ick_God]

In general, I'd say it's a bad idea to try to make scorers and dribblers into role players, and older players even more so. They should be able to hit shots and add energy, run the floor.

Good shooting should translate but neither AB or BB is a spot shooter really.

bro... you sure?

bojan is in the 80+ percentile of spot-up shooters, and that's not even adjusted for minimum. dude shooting like 49% on 4 spot-ups per game. quite literally one of the best in the game.

i might have heard once or twice you don't like the trade, but damn.

Well if I’m wrong I’m wrong. But he also moves a lot with the ball. He’s more of a scorer who wants the ball than pure spot.

Not to save face but can we really use any Pistons stats? Burks doesn’t look like he’ll be hitting 39% of his 3’s.

Bojan has looked good but certainly does more than spot.

I guess my point is that the more dribbling a guy does the more it will skew the offense. DD was having a really good year. We are messing with the balance.

There is just so much you can do, obviously, in a 24 second clock.

[KnixinSix]

In general, I'd say it's a bad idea to try to make scorers and dribblers into role players, and older players even more so. They should be able to hit shots and add energy, run the floor.

Good shooting should translate but neither AB or BB is a spot shooter really.

bro... you sure?

bojan is in the 80+ percentile of spot-up shooters, and that's not even adjusted for minimum. dude shooting like 49% on 4 spot-ups per game. quite literally one of the best in the game.

i might have heard once or twice you don't like the trade, but damn.

Well if I’m wrong I’m wrong. But he also moves a lot with the ball. He’s more of a scorer who wants the ball than pure spot.

Not to save face but can we really use any Pistons stats? Burks doesn’t look like he’ll be hitting 39% of his 3’s.

Bojan has looked good but certainly does more than spot.

I guess my point is that the more dribbling a guy does the more it will skew the offense. DD was having a really good year. We are messing with the balance.

There is just so much you can do, obviously, in a 24 second clock.

If we have guys including the role players focusing on their strengths we will be really hard to beat once we get healthy.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't see how Burks is a playoff option though, he's never been really good/efficient in them. His game hasn't translated to the playoffs, to me he's just a stop gap to help us get there by making sure Tom doesn't play Jalen 47.5mpg. I don't see how you can put him on the court against better defenders who will quiet a lot of what he does down and then go at him on the other end.

Bojan however has been an effective/efficient offensive weapon in the playoffs.

You playing Brunson 48 mpg?

In the playoffs Jalen and DDV are gonna be playing a minimum of 43mpg, Burks is more for the regular season.