General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Off-Season

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Oh man, anytime people make proclamations like this it makes me nervous… I mean why wait until this season, why not just be good last season?

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Oh man, anytime people make proclamations like this it makes me nervous… I mean why wait until this season, why not just be good last season?

He ,and a whole bunch of other players,coaches etc regardless of the sport have to say this because of the potential $$ they can make.He should answer by making it about the team doing well,and not himself.

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Oh man, anytime people make proclamations like this it makes me nervous… I mean why wait until this season, why not just be good last season?

He ,and a whole bunch of other players,coaches etc regardless of the sport have to say this because of the potential $$ they can make.He should answer by making it about the team doing well,and not himself.

Baseball is a sport where a player like him doing well is all ge can do on his end to help the team do well. If vladdychad an mvp calibre year last year we would’ve been a much better team. He absolutely needs to look to improve his own numbers. Get him Aaron judges hitting coach now

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Oh man, anytime people make proclamations like this it makes me nervous… I mean why wait until this season, why not just be good last season?

He ,and a whole bunch of other players,coaches etc regardless of the sport have to say this because of the potential $$ they can make.He should answer by making it about the team doing well,and not himself.

Baseball is a sport where a player like him doing well is all ge can do on his end to help the team do well. If vladdychad an mvp calibre year last year we would’ve been a much better team. He absolutely needs to look to improve his own numbers. Get him Aaron judges hitting coach now

Agreed,but him making public statements just puts more pressure on himself,and since we didnt fire our HC,hope its not rinse lather repeat.

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Oh man, anytime people make proclamations like this it makes me nervous… I mean why wait until this season, why not just be good last season?

He ,and a whole bunch of other players,coaches etc regardless of the sport have to say this because of the potential $$ they can make.He should answer by making it about the team doing well,and not himself.

It’s not the unnecessary pressure, there’s pressure on him regardless. It’s just it sounds like lip service. Sounds like he’s trying to prove to himself more than anything. Again what’s different about next season? Why not just do well last season and the season prior…

[linery88]

Oh man, anytime people make proclamations like this it makes me nervous… I mean why wait until this season, why not just be good last season?

He ,and a whole bunch of other players,coaches etc regardless of the sport have to say this because of the potential $$ they can make.He should answer by making it about the team doing well,and not himself.

It’s not the unnecessary pressure, there’s pressure on him regardless. It’s just it sounds like lip service. Sounds like he’s trying to prove to himself more than anything. Again what’s different about next season? Why not just do well last season and the season prior…

Agreed,its lip service.Its all he can say,but I dont like him saying it with the same HC,and he needs protection like the kind he got from Teo.Wish there was a way for Bichette sr to come back and HC.He was a better hitter under him.He should start talking in "Team" terms from now on,when asked about his own performance,or finish the questions with "Team"

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Right. This proclamation makes no one feel any better about anything. Weak sauce.

Edit: I’m paying far more attention to his weigh-in.

[bartron_44]

The head coach didnt make him have a 4 month long slump in the middle of last season. . However, the expectations on the kid god skewed out of whack by his inflated numbers in 2021. He is an 800 OPS kind of guy in the big leagues…. Which sadly to say is just basically average for a big league 1B. This is 5 years and almost 3000 PAs in to his career, and if im being honest, despite half of 2021 he really hasn’t lived up to all the hype.

This guy was supposed to be a .900-1.000 OPS type of guy, and he has turned into someone when you are happy when he finishes over .800. Thats a MASSIVE difference when it comes down to salary he should get.

Maybe Vlad needs to go see Teacherman (Aaron Judges hitting coach), but at the very least i want to see his swing look like it did in 2021 again, and I want to see him hitting 3rd.


I also hope they dont keep running Varsho out in LF everyday again if he posts an OPS under .700. Great D in the OF is nice, but they need their LF to provide a lot more with the stick.

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Nice, I like these... Have a bit of a retro feel by incorporating the lighter powder blue.

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[Harry Palmer]

Normally losing at arbitration is the worst of both worlds; player feels trashed by the team and ends up getting what he wants anyways. I could see this going in many directions; if it’s primarily a conditioning thing and confidence wasn’t part of the problem it could motivate him. But if he was slacking off and won anyways, what lesson has he learned? Or if it was a confidence issue, listening to your own team emphasize all your flaws in detail might go sideways, quick. Otoh he’s the son of a player (not sure if Sr. ever went to arbitration, though) so maybe he takes it all in stride.

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After Blue Jays, Guerrero Jr. go to arbitration, one question lingers: Why? - Sportsnet.ca

TORONTO — Even if they’d beaten Vladimir Guerrero Jr. — and the Toronto Blue Jays did not, as arbitrators awarded the all-star first baseman’s ask of $19.9 million rather than the club’s $18.05 million offer — the same pivotal question would have lingered: What was the point of that?

The arbitration process, after all, is based on comparable players and individual stats, with the uncertainty of what happens once arguments are made to a three-person panel usually driving the sides to make a deal. Hearings can also leave players frustrated — a risk worth avoiding, especially with a cornerstone player eligible for free agency after 2025.

Typically, then, the divergence in how club and player see things must be particularly wide to not find middle ground.

The Blue Jays had an unusually busy caseload this year, too, with 12 players eligible for arbitration. They found mutually agreeable comps for everyone but Guerrero. As a "file-and-trial" team, the only way out of a hearing for the Blue Jays after the sides traded offer and ask on Jan. 11 was with a multiyear deal, an avenue they used with Josh Donaldson in 2016 and Bo Bichette last winter.

With Guerrero, there were no negotiations after they exchanged numbers.

All of which makes a pretty hard line for the Blue Jays to take, especially when he’s been on a salary and performance trajectory similar enough to New York Mets slugger Pete Alonso for a strong, convenient and relevant comp.

Alonso and Mets agreed at $20.5 million before the Jan. 11 filing deadline. At $19.9 million, Guerrero's award seems far more in line with that salary than the Blue Jays' offer of $18.05 million, as the chart below shows.

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