HomoSapien wrote:PaKii94 wrote:I'm trying to think of a player comparison for him for a similar archetype of player. The one that I have in my mind is jrue holiday lite BUT ayo doesn't have the opportunity to run the offense, ayos efficiency is better but much worse defense.
Caruso? But he's a much better defender and a much worse offensive player
Who is a rim driver, hits 3s, can move the ball but isn't a floor general, play defense but isn't game changing (caruso)? No names are popping up in my head.
I see some Dumars in his game, personally.
No doubt in my mind this guy is going to max out whatever his potential is. I think he has a good shot at becoming a consistent 15 and 5 guy.
Didn't watch dumars. Got any specific highlights that show Ayo like traits?
PJSteven22 wrote:rosenthall wrote:PaKii94 wrote:I'm trying to think of a player comparison for him for a similar archetype of player. The one that I have in my mind is jrue holiday lite BUT ayo doesn't have the opportunity to run the offense, ayos efficiency is better but much worse defense.
Caruso? But he's a much better defender and a much worse offensive player
Who is a rim driver, hits 3s, can move the ball but isn't a floor general, play defense but isn't game changing (caruso)? No names are popping up in my head.
I think Leandro Barbosa is the best comparison I've seen so far. Big, long point guard who's very athletic in a straight line but doesn't change speeds well in the half-court. Strong defensively and decent floor general but not spectacular in that area. Solid rotation player that can play in good 5 man lineups in the playoffs but not a core player.
He’s nothing like Barbosa. Barbosa was a mediocre defender and a streaky scorer. Also Ayo is bigger than Barbosa. He reminds me of Dejounte Murray/E’Twuan Moore hybrid.
Yeah Barbosa in my head was a smaller 6th man scorer type. I didn't watch him much but never associated him with defense.
Moore is close but that's the more generic 3/d guard player. I think Ayo is already surpassed that.
Murray is also close but Ayo's offense is more efficient and his shot is looking better. Also when I looked into Murray apparently his defense is overrated (like Kris dunn when he played for the bulls).
But a better shooting Murray seems like an apt comparison. That's a high level player then.
othawhitemeat wrote:jmajew wrote:I think Ayo is not the same player as Jimmy Butler, but I see his career going on a similar trajectory as Butlers. I think Ayo has the same work ethic as Jimmy. In year 3 Jimmy got a massive boost in usage and then year 4 he exploded. I think Ayo may be on a similar path. I don't think he will be an all-star, though I do think it is possible (10% probability).
Just saw this after my post in response to Duck. Dude has that legendary work-ethic.
I agree on the work ethic part. That's what attracted me to Jimmy and also Ayo that rookie season. Thing is I don't think Jimmy is a good comparison because Ayo doesn't have a knack for drawing FT and he is also not ultra low turnover (Jimmy's two elite killer traits why he's always a positive). Also Jimmy's defense was another level while he was developing (one of the best at guarding prime LeBron for 48 mins straight)
sco wrote:GoBlue72391 wrote:The fact that we've got two young and upcoming guards in Coby and Ayo is one of the few bright spots of this season. I don't know what kind of ceiling I would put on Ayo, but I know at minimum he's a solid starter/great bench piece, but he'll almost certainly never be an all-star barring an unforeseen Coby-esque jump.
Maybe something like Kirk Hinrich as his ceiling. Though his defense isn't at Kirk's level and probably never will be, his offense will likely be a bit better. But numbers-wise Kirk was like a 15 and 6 guy in his prime and I can see that being a reasonable ceiling for Ayo, perhaps even a little higher.
Even after seeing this mini-upswing this season, I would be thrilled if Ayo became prime Kirk Hinrich. IIRC (which may be wrong) but isn't Kirk the Bulls 2nd all-time 3pt baskets maker (which I find more of a negative on the Bulls than a positive for Kirk).
From a team composition perspective, being able to have a good defender at the 2 spot next season if we are trotting DDR at the 3 next season is a great thing. Although I fully expect Zach back for at least half of next season.
Idk about Kirk comparison. Kirk was a more floor general, good shooter, and positioning defense. Ayo is more of a length defender.
2weekswithpay wrote:PaKii94 wrote:I'm trying to think of a player comparison for him for a similar archetype of player. The one that I have in my mind is jrue holiday lite BUT ayo doesn't have the opportunity to run the offense, ayos efficiency is better but much worse defense.
Caruso? But he's a much better defender and a much worse offensive player
Who is a rim driver, hits 3s, can move the ball but isn't a floor general, play defense but isn't game changing (caruso)? No names are popping up in my head.
Bruce Brown? His 3pt percentage is down but he was 36% and 40% in the previous two seasons.
Does Bruce Brown have any playmaking chops? I think Ayo could be a PG but he doesn't have the opportunity right now.
MGB8 wrote:PaKii94 wrote:I'm trying to think of a player comparison for him for a similar archetype of player. The one that I have in my mind is jrue holiday lite BUT ayo doesn't have the opportunity to run the offense, ayos efficiency is better but much worse defense.
Caruso? But he's a much better defender and a much worse offensive player
Who is a rim driver, hits 3s, can move the ball but isn't a floor general, play defense but isn't game changing (caruso)? No names are popping up in my head.
Gary Harris?
Eh he's a generic 3/d. Ayo is better already
FriedRise wrote:PaKii94 wrote:I'm trying to think of a player comparison for him for a similar archetype of player. The one that I have in my mind is jrue holiday lite BUT ayo doesn't have the opportunity to run the offense, ayos efficiency is better but much worse defense.
Caruso? But he's a much better defender and a much worse offensive player
Who is a rim driver, hits 3s, can move the ball but isn't a floor general, play defense but isn't game changing (caruso)? No names are popping up in my head.
Josh Richardson
Generic 3/d. I think Ayo has more potential and is already more of a playmaker.
The comparison in my mind for Ayo is tough because I believe he is more than just a 3/d guy. I think he has good playmaking chops and I think once DDR is gone his midrange game should expand more.
I still think Jrue Holiday in my mind
Jrue with better shooting, better midrange, worse defense, less opportunity to run the offense. Like Jrue I think he can provide a bit of everything and just help the team WIN without needing heavy usage in a particular thing.