Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24

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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/08/hoops-rumors-glossary-two-way-contract.html


Looks like JD Davison is still allowed one more year on a two-way with the Cs if both parties are amenable. Same with Queta.

While apparently it's allowed in the rules, to my knowledge neither of these things have happened yet.

I don't believe we've seen anyone stay on a 2-way with the same team for 3 years. We've had guys on a 2-way for 2 years with same team (Tacko, Tremont waters, Davison, Queta with the KIngs..)

And we've seen some guys on a 2-way during their 3rd NBA season (Kabengele, Olivier Sarr, Queta..)

But I don't believe we've seen a player stuck on a 2-way with the same team for 3 years..nor a guy on a 2-way in his 4th NBA season. I could be wrong, though.

I feel like even if we offered JD another 2-way for next season, he would probably say no. He'd probably bet on himself, thinking that since he'll be 22 next season, with 2 years in the G league under his belt, 1 of them as arguably the best player in the G league, he'll think he has earned a real roster spot with somebody. And if that isn't gonna happen in boston (the best team in the league, loaded with guard depth) him (and his agent) would probably think he could earn a real roster spot on a different team (that isn't as good as Boston and has less guard depth than we do).

Same thing with Queta. I feel like even if we offered him another 2-way next season, he'd probably say no. Hima nd his agent would probably say "ok, he's gonna be 25 next season, 3 yrs under his belt on a 2-way, 1 of those seasons he gave valuable contributions to the best team in the league. He deserves a real roster spot somewhere"

We'll see..

Celtics will do whats best for the Celtics. If the Celtics lose Davison and Queta it's not equivalent to losing Curry and Shaq. So be it. Have a feeling that if Davison and Queta never played another minute for the Celtics that the Celtics would be alright.

Oh I agree with all of that.

Just saying that JD and Queta will also do what's best for them..and think that both of them will try to earn a standard contract somewhere..whether it's Boston or a different team..and they both probably have a better chance at earning a standard contract (and actually getting some legit playing time) on a different team that isn't as good or as deep as we are.

[Gant]

Al Horford will be 38 years old in June. If Boston wins a title, he could just walk away in that aura. He could retire anyway. He could become less effective at any time. The Celtics have very limited ways of adding players going forward. Porzingis will always need days off.

It's hard to believe that one way or another they won't keep Queta around.

[Parliament10]

Al Horford will be 38 years old in June. If Boston wins a title, he could just walk away in that aura. He could retire anyway. He could become less effective at any time. The Celtics have very limited ways of adding players going forward. Porzingis will always need days off.

It's hard to believe that one way or another they won't keep Queta around.

I think that you're right. Al is phasing out; so we gotta keep Queta.
We'll also see how the new additions do.

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[Bill Lumbergh]

To my eye, Queta has shown he can contribute in real NBA minutes. He's going to be on an NBA roster next year, and I hope it's with us. Brad oftentimes gets his work done early, so I hope he signs Queta to a multi-year contract soon, where he'll be eligible for the playoffs, and we have some team options on him going forward.

If they really want a vet so badly for the end of their bench, let them cut Svi to sign one, but lock Queta up now.

[zoyathedestroya]

To my eye, Queta has shown he can contribute in real NBA minutes. He's going to be on an NBA roster next year, and I hope it's with us. Brad oftentimes gets his work done early, so I hope he signs Queta to a multi-year contract soon, where he'll be eligible for the playoffs, and we have some team options on him going forward.

If they really want a vet so badly for the end of their bench, let them cut Svi to sign one, but lock Queta up now.

Most we can offer now on a standard contract is two years minimum (incl. remainder of this year). So he'll be UFA end of next season. As opposed to just waiting for the season to end when he'll be RFA. Offer a two-year contract then. Seems like a waste to sign him just to sit on the bench next of couple of months.

[Bill Lumbergh]

To my eye, Queta has shown he can contribute in real NBA minutes. He's going to be on an NBA roster next year, and I hope it's with us. Brad oftentimes gets his work done early, so I hope he signs Queta to a multi-year contract soon, where he'll be eligible for the playoffs, and we have some team options on him going forward.

If they really want a vet so badly for the end of their bench, let them cut Svi to sign one, but lock Queta up now.

Most we can offer now on a standard contract is two years minimum (incl. remainder of this year). So he'll be UFA end of next season. As opposed to just waiting for the season to end when he'll be RFA. Offer a two-year contract then. Seems like a waste to sign him just to sit on the bench next of couple of months.

If we don't sign him now, what will his status be at the end of this season? Will he be an UFA or a RFA? If his status will be UFA, I'd rather sign him now. I want him on our team next year and we can ensure that happens now, without leaving it to chance in the summer.

[BK_2020]

Queta's a replacement-level guy. I doubt it matters whether we sign him for 1 or 2 years. If we get him next year for the minimum, I guess it's not worse than having a Justin Jackson on the team. If we don't, it doesn't really matter.

[165bows]

To my eye, Queta has shown he can contribute in real NBA minutes. He's going to be on an NBA roster next year, and I hope it's with us. Brad oftentimes gets his work done early, so I hope he signs Queta to a multi-year contract soon, where he'll be eligible for the playoffs, and we have some team options on him going forward.

If they really want a vet so badly for the end of their bench, let them cut Svi to sign one, but lock Queta up now.

Most we can offer now on a standard contract is two years minimum (incl. remainder of this year). So he'll be UFA end of next season. As opposed to just waiting for the season to end when he'll be RFA. Offer a two-year contract then. Seems like a waste to sign him just to sit on the bench next of couple of months.

What did the Cavs do to get four years with Craig Porter Jr, that was using the MLE? Celtics are out of the running for that exception moving forward, is that right?

Seems like getting guys in the 2nd round (and having four year cheap contracts) will be more preferable moving forward than the UDFA route they’ve gone with lately (eg Hauser’s longer deal).

If that’s the case wouldn’t surprise if they start drafting some older second round guys they can have for deep depth for multiple years.

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[zoyathedestroya]

To my eye, Queta has shown he can contribute in real NBA minutes. He's going to be on an NBA roster next year, and I hope it's with us. Brad oftentimes gets his work done early, so I hope he signs Queta to a multi-year contract soon, where he'll be eligible for the playoffs, and we have some team options on him going forward.

If they really want a vet so badly for the end of their bench, let them cut Svi to sign one, but lock Queta up now.

Most we can offer now on a standard contract is two years minimum (incl. remainder of this year). So he'll be UFA end of next season. As opposed to just waiting for the season to end when he'll be RFA. Offer a two-year contract then. Seems like a waste to sign him just to sit on the bench next of couple of months.

What did the Cavs do to get four years with Craig Porter Jr, that was using the MLE? Celtics are out of the running for that exception moving forward, is that right?

Seems like getting guys in the 2nd round (and having four year cheap contracts) will be more preferable moving forward than the UDFA route they’ve gone with lately (eg Hauser’s longer deal).

If that’s the case wouldn’t surprise if they start drafting some older second round guys they can have for deep depth for multiple years.

Yep, Cavs had the NT-MLE, IINM. Cs only have the veteran's minimum exception to work with.

That's a fair assumption.

[zoyathedestroya]

To my eye, Queta has shown he can contribute in real NBA minutes. He's going to be on an NBA roster next year, and I hope it's with us. Brad oftentimes gets his work done early, so I hope he signs Queta to a multi-year contract soon, where he'll be eligible for the playoffs, and we have some team options on him going forward.

If they really want a vet so badly for the end of their bench, let them cut Svi to sign one, but lock Queta up now.

Most we can offer now on a standard contract is two years minimum (incl. remainder of this year). So he'll be UFA end of next season. As opposed to just waiting for the season to end when he'll be RFA. Offer a two-year contract then. Seems like a waste to sign him just to sit on the bench next of couple of months.

If we don't sign him now, what will his status be at the end of this season? Will he be an UFA or a RFA? If his status will be UFA, I'd rather sign him now. I want him on our team next year and we can ensure that happens now, without leaving it to chance in the summer.

He's RFA end of this season.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Queta's a replacement-level guy. I doubt it matters whether we sign him for 1 or 2 years. If we get him next year for the minimum, I guess it's not worse than having a Justin Jackson on the team. If we don't, it doesn't really matter.

Well, different people have different valuations on players. I've seen Queta have multiple single games where he was far and away more impactful than a guy like Justin Jackson ever was in all the games he played for us combined. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a big as impactful as Queta on a minimum contract.

[Curmudgeon]

Extending Queta is a no-brainer.

[31to6]

Queta's a replacement-level guy. I doubt it matters whether we sign him for 1 or 2 years. If we get him next year for the minimum, I guess it's not worse than having a Justin Jackson on the team. If we don't, it doesn't really matter.

Well, different people have different valuations on players. I've seen Queta have multiple single games where he was far and away more impactful than a guy like Justin Jackson ever was in all the games he played for us combined. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a big as impactful as Queta on a minimum contract.

Seconded, and that's if we include Justin Jackson's summer league games with the Celtics:)

[31to6]

Most we can offer now on a standard contract is two years minimum (incl. remainder of this year). So he'll be UFA end of next season. As opposed to just waiting for the season to end when he'll be RFA. Offer a two-year contract then. Seems like a waste to sign him just to sit on the bench next of couple of months.

If we don't sign him now, what will his status be at the end of this season? Will he be an UFA or a RFA? If his status will be UFA, I'd rather sign him now. I want him on our team next year and we can ensure that happens now, without leaving it to chance in the summer.

He's RFA end of this season.

when/how would there be Bird rights?

[zoyathedestroya]

If we don't sign him now, what will his status be at the end of this season? Will he be an UFA or a RFA? If his status will be UFA, I'd rather sign him now. I want him on our team next year and we can ensure that happens now, without leaving it to chance in the summer.

He's RFA end of this season.

when/how would there be Bird rights?

Hmmm... not sure about this, but we probably have non-Bird on Queta after this season. So maybe they can sign him to 120% of minimum for his first year up to four years w/ 5% increases.

[Gant]

Keith Smith would know all the details. Somebody get in touch with Smitty and ask him to go through the ins and outs of potential Queta contracts.

[165bows]

He's RFA end of this season.

when/how would there be Bird rights?

Hmmm... not sure about this, but we probably have non-Bird on Queta after this season. So maybe they can sign him to 120% of minimum for his first year up to four years w/ 5% increases.

According to Brave AI, two-way contracts count towards bird rights.

So long story short I think they wait until the summer if that gets them an extra full year of contract time, after which they'd have full bird rights (whatever that's worth).

So take that whole thing with many grains of salt

[Bill Lumbergh]

when/how would there be Bird rights?

Hmmm... not sure about this, but we probably have non-Bird on Queta after this season. So maybe they can sign him to 120% of minimum for his first year up to four years w/ 5% increases.

According to Brave AI, two-way contracts count towards bird rights.

So long story short I think they wait until the summer if that gets them an extra full year of contract time, after which they'd have full bird rights (whatever that's worth).

So take that whole thing with many grains of salt

Brave AI is correct, sir, if I am reading this right, according to Larry Coons:

When a Two-Way player becomes a free agent, his free agent amount (see question number 37) is the one year veteran minimum salary. A player finishing a Two-Way contracts is subject to restricted free agency (see question number 44) if he was on an NBA Active List or Inactive List for at least 15 days in the previous season. As with any other restricted free agent, the team must make a qualifying offer in order to retain its right of first refusal. The qualifying offer for a Two-Way player must be:

If the player played two or three years on Two-Way contracts with the same team, the qualifying offer is a standard NBA contract at the minimum salary, with no bonuses of any kind, and with the Two-Way salary guaranteed. This also applies if the player is no longer eligible to sign a Two-Way contract.
For all other Two-Way players, the qualifying offer is a Two-Way contract, with $50,000 guaranteed