Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero

[SOUL]

He's closer to his peak at 23 than 21. Usually, around 24, you start reaching your peak.

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Huh? NBA peaks are like 26-30 for a lot of players.

Regardless, it's disingenuous to say a guy literally born one year ahead of Paolo (2001 vs 2002) is capped and Paolo has years and years.

The three years of college surely helped him, if that's what you're trying to get at. Otherwise, they both have pretty damn high ceilings.

He's going to be 23 in April.

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I know how ages work.

It's still in one calendar year above Paolo lol.

But all right. Paolo has infinite ceiling and Jalen's prime is in a year and he will surely peak.

[basketballRob]

Huh? NBA peaks are like 26-30 for a lot of players.

Regardless, it's disingenuous to say a guy literally born one year ahead of Paolo (2001 vs 2002) is capped and Paolo has years and years.

The three years of college surely helped him, if that's what you're trying to get at. Otherwise, they both have pretty damn high ceilings.

He's going to be 23 in April.

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I know how ages work.

It's still in one calendar year above Paolo lol.

But all right. Paolo has infinite ceiling and Jalen's prime is in a year and he will surely peak.

Okay, he's 19 months older than Paolo.

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[Residual-Heat]

I like both of them, but still give me Paolo at #1 to build a team around. Only thing that's safe to say right now is its just way too early.

Also wanted to mention that both these guys have not missed a game this season, and im impressed by Chet especially.

[Viper1500]

I like Chet, he seems like a cool dude and would love to have him on the Magic. However, this team needed Paolo more than Chet. I can guarantee our team would be worse off with Chet in comparison to Paolo. Just like I could guarantee that OKC would be worse off with Paolo compared to Chet.

[Bakomagic]

I think it's insane that Bill Simmons had Paolo number 8 on his trade value list, when he isn't even the best player on his own team.

Franz Wagner has a NetRtg of 9.29 when Paolo is off the court (while Paolo is -5.21 with Franz off). He is a better offensive and defensive player than Paolo.

People keep saying this but if you watch the game Paolo is the better player. Most plays are ran through Paolo and Paolo is pretty much creating for everyone including Franz (this is not to say that Franz doesn’t create his own shot). And the fact that Paolo is consistently doubled shows how much he is feared. There is a reason why coaches, players, and those in media voted for Paolo as an all star.

It really comes down to how much you understand of what you are watching. I know that many people only really see what a player does with the ball in their hands, and so they default to believing that the players that have the ball in their hands the most are the best players on the floor.

I actually thought Paolo played well last night, at least relative to the few times I have watched him play over the last couple years. He made some good reads and got the ball where it needed to go, whereas he has forced up a lot of bad field goal attempts when I watched him previously.

Chet is our defensive anchor and he punishes teams that leave him open. The list of players that could provide to OKC what he does is exceedingly short. He dramatically improves our defense. At the offensive end, he complements Jalen and SGA by hitting shots and keeping the paint clean.

For what it's worth, Jalen is better at doing what Paolo does than Paolo is. Jalen is a shot-maker that doesn't have to get to the free throw line 10 times to have a positive impact in a game. He'll beat you by putting the ball in the basket.

Yea, but there is something to be said about Paolo having to deal with the opponents best defender, double teams and or teams loading to his side.

He and Jalen shot making isn’t an apples to apples comparison.

[BrooklynDynasty]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

[_jin]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

If you swap Paolo for Chet on that OKC team they might be better offensively but defensively it would be a disaster (not that Paolo is a bad defender but they'd have 0 rim protection), especially in that series against Mavs who consistently have a lob threat on the floor whether it's Gafford or Lively. Both Paolo and Chet are where they should be and both teams have found the player that they needed.

[ChipotleWest]

Can't just look at Paolo's points and say he's clearly better. Chet is asked to be both a rim protector block shots get rebounds take that beating down low (while being very skinny which may wear on him as his career goes on) and score 20 ppgs. That is a heavy load. Paolo doesn't play much defense and can just focus on scoring. He also takes way more shots than Chet who is not the #1 option Paolo is clearly.

So I mean if you just want to say who's the better scorer clearly it's Paolo, but Chet is not just a scorer. Even when you breakdown scoring Chet is 53% from the floor this season and 37% from 3, Paolo 45% and only 33% from 3. So i'd say they both are good in their own way and one isn't great and the other sucks or vice versa.

[One Last Shot]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

If you swap Paolo for Chet on that OKC team theya might be better offensively but defensively it would be a disaster (not that Paolo is a bad defender but they'd have 0 rim protection), especially in that series against Mavs who consistently have a lob threat on the floor whether it's Gafford or Lively. Both Paolo and Chet are where they should be and both teams have found the player that they needed.

Nah, Thunder FO will realize that they don't have much rim protection come playoffs time that they will surely use their assets to trade for one like Gafford. Instead, they got the #1 seed and have this false confidence that they will be fine having Chet as their center so they traded for washed perimeter player Hayward instead of getting a big man. Still, they are not yet eliminated in the playoffs so we'll see about that but it's not looking good right now as Gafford and Lively being in the game the entire time seems like too much on Chet's thin frame to think Lively is 2 years younger than Holmgren yet outpowering him in this series.

[JustBuzzin]

Can't just look at Paolo's points and say he's clearly better. Chet is asked to be both a rim protector block shots get rebounds take that beating down low (while being very skinny which may wear on him as his career goes on) and score 20 ppgs. That is a heavy load. Paolo doesn't play much defense and can just focus on scoring. He also takes way more shots than Chet who is not the #1 option Paolo is clearly.

So I mean if you just want to say who's the better scorer clearly it's Paolo, but Chet is not just a scorer. Even when you breakdown scoring Chet is 53% from the floor this season and 37% from 3, Paolo 45% and only 33% from 3. So i'd say they both are good in their own way and one isn't great and the other sucks or vice versa.

If they traded spots the Thunder would have swept the Mavs.

Offense matters and Banchero is clearly way more advanced as a scorer. OKC is struggling because nobody outside of SGA can score.

[leo7]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

If you swap Paolo for Chet on that OKC team theya might be better offensively but defensively it would be a disaster (not that Paolo is a bad defender but they'd have 0 rim protection), especially in that series against Mavs who consistently have a lob threat on the floor whether it's Gafford or Lively. Both Paolo and Chet are where they should be and both teams have found the player that they needed.

Nah, Thunder FO will realize that they don't have much rim protection come playoffs time that they will surely use their assets to trade for one like Gafford. Instead, they got the #1 seed and have this false confidence that they will be fine having Chet as their center so they traded for washed perimeter player Hayward instead of getting a big man. Still, they are not yet eliminated in the playoffs so we'll see about that but it's not looking good right now as Gafford and Lively being in the game the entire time seems like too much on Chet's thin frame to think Lively is 2 years younger than Holmgren yet outpowering him in this series.

Yeah Chet is getting abused in the paint. I think both Lively and Gafford gave him the Chris Dudley treatment last game.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Chet has very much been the best rim protector in the playoffs.

[Duke4life831]

The answer to me is still what it’s always been. Both teams got the player they needed.

ORL was in desperate need for a true #1 option and 2 years in, it looks they hit a HR with that.

While OKC needed a big that could play off of SGA. I don’t think Paolo would as impactful as he is if he was playing off of SGA. Plus OKC needs rim protection.

[meekrab]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

Paolo the "Scoring option" with a .546 TS% during a season with historically outrageous scoring efficiency throughout the league.

[basketballRob]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

Paolo the "Scoring option" with a .546 TS% during a season with historically outrageous scoring efficiency throughout the league.

47/40/76 in the playoffs. HE shot 7 3-pointers per game and averaged 27 ppg. His style of play is made for the playoffs. He's like a taller Jimmy Butler.

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[meekrab]

thought it would take longer but Banchero left him in the dust faster than I thought. OKC wishing they had a scoring option like PB while they keep scoring in the low 90s

Paolo the "Scoring option" with a .546 TS% during a season with historically outrageous scoring efficiency throughout the league.

47/40/76 in the playoffs. HE shot 7 3-pointers per game and averaged 27 ppg. His style of play is made for the playoffs. He's like a taller Jimmy Butler.

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He had 3 good games, yawn. Any starter in the league can do that randomly. His TS% for the series was still barely improved at .554. Below league average.

[basketballRob]

Paolo the "Scoring option" with a .546 TS% during a season with historically outrageous scoring efficiency throughout the league.

47/40/76 in the playoffs. HE shot 7 3-pointers per game and averaged 27 ppg. His style of play is made for the playoffs. He's like a taller Jimmy Butler.

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He had 3 good games, yawn. Any starter in the league can do that randomly. His TS% for the series was still barely improved at .554. Below league average.

Daniel Gafford is better than Chet. Look at his TS.

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[BrooklynDynasty]

The answer to me is still what it’s always been. Both teams got the player they needed.

ORL was in desperate need for a true #1 option and 2 years in, it looks they hit a HR with that.

While OKC needed a big that could play off of SGA. I don’t think Paolo would as impactful as he is if he was playing off of SGA. Plus OKC needs rim protection.

that's just another way of saying Orlando needed a true #1 option star, and OKC needed a role player. Which just proves the Banchero > Chet point further

[RookieStar]

The answer to me is still what it’s always been. Both teams got the player they needed.

ORL was in desperate need for a true #1 option and 2 years in, it looks they hit a HR with that.

While OKC needed a big that could play off of SGA. I don’t think Paolo would as impactful as he is if he was playing off of SGA. Plus OKC needs rim protection.

that's just another way of saying Orlando needed a true #1 option star, and OKC needed a role player. Which just proves the Banchero > Chet point further

Or put it in another way.. we ( ORL ) needed a star/face for the team which we got while OKC needed a robin for their star which they got.

Both are probably happy ( I know we are )

[Chokic]

It was close when this thread had alot of engagement at the time but after these playoffs paolo has separated himself.