PG: Memphis Blues

[Profound23]

I feel like we're going to win the whole thing

Me too, but I won't lie that the last two losses have hurt

[rilamann]

Firing Bud was the right choice.

But I do admit, it would make things a bit less annoying seeing that classic look of confusion on ol' Bud's face when Dame shot 7-29 from the field as he simultaneously gave 0 effort on defense....lol.

[HKPackFan]

Anyone get some brief ptsd with needing a late shot and our bucks bumbling around and getting off a terrible off balance falling down heave with no chance?

Today felt like... Same old bucks.

Nah, I'm starting to miss the roller coaster of Jrue. That was a different Bucks, different off balance heave.

Dame's depression has been contagious as relates to the entire team. Did they know about this whole family situation pre-trade?

I was thinking more about the jkidd days when everyone in the stadium knows it's going to khris including the opposing team, and he gets tripled teamed and barley is able to catch the ball let alone take a shot. Or one or two later instances where somehow brook ends up with the ball at the end and doesn't even get a shot off.

[Balls2TheWalls]

Come on now. This board, notorious for turning on guys quickly, has given Dame more of a grace period than maybe any player we've ever had. He has probably deserved more "vitriol" a lot sooner than it arrived.

100%. This guy has been *awful* and is a top 75 player to *ever play the game*. The board wants him to be good so badly it hurts. He has turned into a pumpkin. It is sad.

[Plossum]

Wish we knew what the actually cause of the problems are for Dame before I fully stick the boot in. Undoubtedly not been the guy we expected and I'm pretty disappointed in his body language overall. I just don't understand where the shooting and playmaking drop off has come from. Gotta be rare for a star player to just stop making shots he has always made? I still want to hope he can turn it around.

Yeah I’m not out on him either and won’t be until I see how the playoffs go. The vitriol toward him on this board is weird. We gave up an aging borderline all-star who would believe it or not be looking worse than Dame right now. Even if Dame is a bust, we weren’t going anywhere with Jrue, nor would his value be any higher. You make that trade 100 times out of 100. I still make that trade today.

Maybe it’s everyone coming to grips with the Giannis window being nearly closed.

It's depressing to think that the sum of the Giannis era in Milwaukee might results in only 2 deep runs (2019 and 2021). I mean it was awesome to get the title and we can't take it for granted, but the Bucks being so bad since the chip has been super depressing. It seems unfathomable that Giannis would never make it back to a Conference Finals let alone the NBA Finals after what we saw in 2021 but he legit might not ever get back there as a Buck.

In 5 years from now we're probably debating whether Giannis or Rodgers had the most unfulfilled era of achievement in Wisconsin sports.

[HKPackFan]

Somewhere Griff is cackling and cashing those checks. Maybe with Bud

In a few months 3 of them could be drinking beers and all joking about putting it on their tab since it's all the same anyways

[RiotPunch]

In my humble opinion, Horst’s decision to fire Bud was the fundamentally wrong decision. It destroyed our team’s equilibrium and led to unhappy locker rooms coz of ag.

Getting Dame was not a bad decision by Horst in my opinion. It just has not worked out unfortunately.

The lockerroom was out on Bud, too. His systematic stability is missed, which was compounded by the brutal Grief hiring, but Giannis was tuning him out by the end.

The coaching hire, Stotts bailing, not getting anything for Bobby/Pat, just a catastrophic series of events and now hoping Doc of all people can clean up the mess in time. It can still happen, but we are still out of sorts.

[Matches Malone]

Somewhere Griff is cackling and cashing those checks. Maybe with Bud

In a few months 3 of them could be drinking beers and all joking about putting it on their tab since it's all the same anyways

If Edens is serious about winning, I'd love to see him clean house this summer starting with a new voice in the front office. But Horst will probably stick around and we're stuck with Doc on a multi-year deal, so I doubt they'll eat that without getting at least one more year out of his deal. It's all broken now .

[tydett]

Some of the biggest mistakes have been assuming that the role guys who contributed to the championship run would continue to do so. Paying Bobby and Pat, while arguably correct from a value standpoint, further hamstrung this team's little margin for error. Denver let Bruce Brown go, who was way more important to their success than either of our guys, because they realized that a championship team gets their contributions from guys on the margin. We gave them nice contracts, made them comfortable, and have watched them become terrible. Combined with trading away every asset under the sun for other edge-case players who have contributed almost literally nothing, and then the big push-in for Dame that, for whatever reason, hasn't clicked yet.

You have to weigh what Giannis wants in the offseason. Because if he's going to want out in the next two years, trading him and Dame now could maybe work on restocking the cupboard while still giving the best player in our franchise's history a chance to do right by him and go win somewhere else. It just probably isn't happening here.

[rilamann]

In my humble opinion, Horst’s decision to fire Bud was the fundamentally wrong decision. It destroyed our team’s equilibrium and led to unhappy locker rooms coz of ag.

Getting Dame was not a bad decision by Horst in my opinion. It just has not worked out unfortunately.

The lockerroom was out on Bud, too. His systematic stability is missed, which was compounded by the brutal Grief hiring, but Giannis was tuning him out by the end.

I wanted Bud gone, but I thought he was safe to return until Giannis took a couple slick jabs at Bud in his post game press conference after game 5 vs Miami.

After that it became a pretty safe bet that Bud was going to get canned.

In hindsight as we sit here in mid February, I think the move would have been hiring Nurse and keeping Jrue.

In real time the Dame trade was a slam dunk, we just didn't know we were going to get this version of Dame.

[JayMKE]

The only reason you even fire Bud is if you can get Nurse because he specifically was the answer to every Bud criticism not just any other random coach, it was a monumental mistake

I use to think this franchise was trending the way of the Spurs, not so much anymore.

[RiotPunch]

In my humble opinion, Horst’s decision to fire Bud was the fundamentally wrong decision. It destroyed our team’s equilibrium and led to unhappy locker rooms coz of ag.

Getting Dame was not a bad decision by Horst in my opinion. It just has not worked out unfortunately.

The lockerroom was out on Bud, too. His systematic stability is missed, which was compounded by the brutal Grief hiring, but Giannis was tuning him out by the end.

I wanted Bud gone, but I thought he was safe to return until Giannis took a couple slick jabs at Bud in his post game press conference after game 5 vs Miami.

After that it became a pretty safe bet that Bud was going to get canned.

In hindsight as we sit here in mid February, I think the move would have been hiring Nurse and keeping Jrue.

In real time the Dame trade was a slam dunk, we just didn't know we were going to get this version of Dame.

People hate on Wos, and I get it, but he said pretty confidently that Giannis didn't want another micromanager coach after Bud-- but that is exactly the kind of coach he/we need. I was all aboard the fire Bud train, but only if it meant swapping him for Nurse. If the sentiment is correct that Giannis wanted a more hands-off, former player coach... then he has a lot of blame on his shoulders for this (despite the fact that he has been absolutely incredible on the floor at an MVP level).

You make the Dame trade 100/100. I know you are championing the Dame wanting to bang strippers in Miami narrative, but I think current Dame is a combination of off-the-court stuff and the unprecedented state of dysfunctionality that Griffin left us in.

The only real hindsight is 20/20 thing I have with Jrue is that his trade value was quite high. Could have been some very interesting deadline moves. But you could not ride with him in the playoffs again as your 2a/2b, he was disastrous in his own right.

If only Morey hadn't insulted Harden and we could have pulled off Jrue/Portis for Maxey/Harris...

[RiotPunch]

The only reason you even fire Bud is if you can get Nurse because he specifically was the answer to every Bud criticism not just any other random coach, it was a monumental mistake

I use to think this franchise was trending the way of the Spurs, not so much anymore.

If we were cruising to 60+ wins under Nurse, I think Giannis would have inked the extension, too. We hired Grief out of fear that Giannis would not extend. For as ballsy as Horst has been, that was a cowardly approach to the hiring process on his part.

[blazza18]

I use to think this franchise was trending the way of the Spurs, not so much anymore.

As frustrating as he was, the only time the Bucks looked like a well run franchise for like two decades was when Bud was here. The people who said the grass wasn't always greener have been proven right with what's gone on post firing.

[KidA24]

Doc post game:

[Prez]

The coaching blunder of not hiring Nurse still sucks, but I don’t think coaching is the main issue now with Griffin outta here. Doc/Joerger have cleaned up the transition D and I don’t think there’s anything we’re doing schematically that I find to be glaringly stupid anymore, or at least not anything that I think the coaching staff is preaching. If you want to nitpick the rotations/management of vets over young guys, fine.

At this point it’s squarely on the players imo. Dame pretty much **** sucks by Portland Dame standards and his energy kinda feels like it’s infecting others on the team. Pat isn’t a viable player anymore. Bobby is as fraudulent a box score stat stuffer as he’s ever been. Khris being out, despite what his haters on this board would have you believe, is a real blow. The young guys outside of Green are either not ready or flat out busts.

[Plossum]

It’s not a coaching issue at this stage though. Bud, Grief, Doc they’ve all had to deal with the same **** which is a playing group that simply isn’t putting the work in, or just aren’t good enough anymore.

I doubt we’d be in much of a different position to now with Nurse in place. If guys don’t try/aren’t up to it, then it doesn’t matter how good your coaching is.

At the end of the day, Giannis has been his usual level of flawed excellence. Midds has been good but struggles for rhythm/consistency with his injury issues.

Everyone else has been varying degrees of passable to rubbish.

Needs to be a lot more inward looking and accountability from the players. We’re apathetic and unhappy and it shows on the court.

[Unique]

fk me
1 step fwd - 3 steps back.
Tonight was inexcusable

[RiotPunch]

[Chessboxer]

As far as Dame not wanting to be in Milwaukee its not like he was an innocent bystander in this. In several interviews he said his agent specifically asked him if Milwaukee was a viable option for him and he said yes. He could have easily said no. I just don't buy that was a victim in this and was traded without his consent. He agreed to Mil, however it is possible when got of the plane immediately regretted it. That is certainly as possibility.