PG: Memphis Blues

[JayMKE]

giannis does whatever the **** he likes and the bare minimum of whatever the **** he doesnt like.

that relates his screens, his commitment to defense, who he wants as his teammates and coaches which calls into question even his loyalty to the franchise.

thats a fact and its not going away and its also a big part of the problem we see here now

No he’s not. Giannis is everything to this franchise, can’t blame him for Horst **** ups or Dame not wanting to be here.

of course hes everything. he even picks his coaches and teammates now. thats the point of my post

Weird, I thought that was Horst’s job. What does he do? Its past time they put a real basketball mind at top & send Horst back to the mail room and fetching coffee IMO.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If we're even in the position of wanting to trade everyone on the roster except for Giannis then we're ****. A trade like that gets you no where.

If this group is done then Giannis's time in Milwaukee likely is too, unfortunately.

exactly.....if its rebuild time who goes first and who goes last?

bear in mind im talking a 1-3 year plan here.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No he’s not. Giannis is everything to this franchise, can’t blame him for Horst **** ups or Dame not wanting to be here.

of course hes everything. he even picks his coaches and teammates now. thats the point of my post

Weird, I thought that was Horst’s job. What does he do? Its past time they put a real basketball mind at top & send Horst back to the mail room and fetching coffee IMO.

horsts job is to serve two masters.

in order....

1. please and retain giannis
2. win

initially this was the same goal the first 7-8 years pof giannis career here....but i knew we were **** the minute giannis ok'd bud getting dumped. thats when i knew we were done. giannis is great but the reason he was a winner was bud

without bud it is my contention that giannis would never have won a ring in our uniform

maybe bud had run his course with this squad but imo that has more to do with the squad than bud. against miami last year that sure looked like the case anyway. blaming buds system or minor infractions on our meltdowns the last two games is hysterical to me.

and this season makes me look like a savant considering ive been saying the same exact thing for 8 months now as it relates to this topic

[JayMKE]

If we're even in the position of wanting to trade everyone on the roster except for Giannis then we're ****. A trade like that gets you no where.

If this group is done then Giannis's time in Milwaukee likely is too, unfortunately.

Giannis signed a long term contract so the Bucks have leverage to make changes, he would have to force his way out. Im not going to fantasize about whatever bounty of late 1sts you weirdos think we can build the team around, **** that. Shuffle these so called core pieces out for younger guys and let them develop with Giannis, simple as. Murray would be a a Buck if they were made available. Put Giannis on Miami’s scrub squad they probably win a championship. Bucks FO is the problem and they would **** up a rebuild too.

[rayallenscalves]

I guess we can add somebody called Vince Williams Jr to the ever-growing list of guards who have outplayed Dame head-to-head.

[fansinceforever]

If we're even in the position of wanting to trade everyone on the roster except for Giannis then we're ****. A trade like that gets you no where.

If this group is done then Giannis's time in Milwaukee likely is too, unfortunately.

Giannis signed a long term contract so the Bucks have leverage to make changes, he would have to force his way out. Im not going to fantasize about whatever bounty of late 1sts you weirdos think we can build the team around, **** that. Shuffle these so called core pieces out for younger guys and let them develop with Giannis, simple as. Murray would be a a Buck if they were made available. Put Giannis on Miami’s scrub squad they probably win a championship. Bucks FO is the problem and they would **** up a rebuild too.

Draft picks seem like a better fantasy than the one that involves our return for Dame, Middleton and Lopez in this dark scenario.

If this group gets bounced early and our guys play the way they have, you're not getting a return of players that can get you back to finals. That's reality. At that point, it's time to start anew.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If we're even in the position of wanting to trade everyone on the roster except for Giannis then we're ****. A trade like that gets you no where.

If this group is done then Giannis's time in Milwaukee likely is too, unfortunately.

Giannis signed a long term contract so the Bucks have leverage to make changes, he would have to force his way out. Im not going to fantasize about whatever bounty of late 1sts you weirdos think we can build the team around, **** that. Shuffle these so called core pieces out for younger guys and let them develop with Giannis, simple as. Murray would be a a Buck if they were made available. Put Giannis on Miami’s scrub squad they probably win a championship. Bucks FO is the problem and they would **** up a rebuild too.

this year the entire roster was built with a mentality of putting/keeping together homeslices

and this bro mentality up and down the roster even fired then hired their own coach.

sure alot of its on horst but with the free agency we had and giannis looming his hands were largely tied. but a huge element is the entitled mentality thats become prevelent up and down the roster as it relates to this.

i even think the dame trade was the icing on the cake for this aspect

anyway. **** this team. every bit of it. ive had enough until the playoffs. maybe they prove me wrong a couple of rounds. either way the run is over. to me theres only one way out of this

[yannisk]

of course hes everything. he even picks his coaches and teammates now. thats the point of my post

Weird, I thought that was Horst’s job. What does he do? Its past time they put a real basketball mind at top & send Horst back to the mail room and fetching coffee IMO.

horsts job is to serve two masters.

in order....

1. please and retain giannis
2. win

initially this was the same goal the first 7-8 years pof giannis career here....but i knew we were **** the minute giannis ok'd bud getting dumped. thats when i knew we were done. giannis is great but the reason he was a winner was bud

without bud it is my contention that giannis would never have won a ring in our uniform

Even if Bud was the best coach in all history of basketball, changes happen. Let's say Bud decided to retire and go find Nelson in Hawaii to cultivate cannabis, should the Bucks close the store and put explosives under the stadium? There are 29 other NBA teams that don't have Bud as coach, some of them play good basketball a few will compete for the title and one will win.

Bud is a good coach, maybe he should have continued maybe not. But he is gone, the problem is we did not do a good job replacing him and the roster is old and for the most part mediocre.

[JayMKE]

If we're even in the position of wanting to trade everyone on the roster except for Giannis then we're ****. A trade like that gets you no where.

If this group is done then Giannis's time in Milwaukee likely is too, unfortunately.

Giannis signed a long term contract so the Bucks have leverage to make changes, he would have to force his way out. Im not going to fantasize about whatever bounty of late 1sts you weirdos think we can build the team around, **** that. Shuffle these so called core pieces out for younger guys and let them develop with Giannis, simple as. Murray would be a a Buck if they were made available. Put Giannis on Miami’s scrub squad they probably win a championship. Bucks FO is the problem and they would **** up a rebuild too.

Draft picks seem like a better fantasy than the one that involves our return for Dame, Middleton and Lopez in this dark scenario.

If this group gets bounced early and our guys play the way they have, you're not getting a return of players that can get you back to finals. That's reality. At that point, it's time to start anew.

They can start anew with Giannis, its more than enough. Like I said, I don’t think the basement of g-leaguers + Giannis is much lower than we are now. Get younger, play defense, hit 3s, its not rocket science.

[Ron Swanson]

Well that sucked.

[kanyon]

I'm just happy Brook was taking things into his own hands and showing Giannis how to run the pick n roll with Dame. Except it was with 2 seconds left. And quite snug--guess you gotta make sure Dame remembers, too.

[emunney]

I guess we can add somebody called Vince Williams Jr to the ever-growing list of guards who have outplayed Dame head-to-head.

Yeah that didn't happen.

[RubberSoul]

I guess we can add somebody called Vince Williams Jr to the ever-growing list of guards who have outplayed Dame head-to-head.

It’s insane that our 2nd all star top 75 player of all time is so routinely outplayed by his direct matchup. Scrubs have been smoking him this year.


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[JayMKE]

I guess we can add somebody called Vince Williams Jr to the ever-growing list of guards who have outplayed Dame head-to-head.

Yeah that didn't happen.

which one better

18 points 7-11 shooting, 12 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals 2 TO

24 points 7-21 FG 3-13 3PM 5 rebounds 7 assist, 1 steal , 4 turnovers

[paulpressey25]

In December the team was 11-2 and Dame averaged something like 26/7/4 on 46%FG and 43% from three.

That guy didn’t just forget how to play basketball. He’s either out of shape, out of focus or both. Doc’s got to fix that with him.

[chonestown]

Youthful exuberance can be contagious, but you have to let the ponies run to gain the benefit.

[JayMKE]

In December the team was 11-2 and Dame averaged something like 26/7/4 on 46%FG and 43% from three.

That guy didn’t just forget how to play basketball. He’s either out of shape, out of focus or both. Doc’s got to fix that with him.

Pretty ominous sign to still not be in shape this deep into the season and to actually get worse over the last month.

[jschligs]

I guess we can add somebody called Vince Williams Jr to the ever-growing list of guards who have outplayed Dame head-to-head.

Yeah that didn't happen.

which one better

18 points 7-11 shooting, 12 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals 2 TO

24 points 7-21 FG 3-13 3PM 5 rebounds 7 assist, 1 steal , 4 turnovers

Lol the argument that Vince Williams Jr. didn't outplay Dame is hilarious. More efficient, better on the boards, and less idiotic late game turnovers.

Dame has been ass. I've been patient with him, and at one point looked like he was having a decent game (I think he was like 3/7 from deep at one point) and then he goes ice cold and makes some of the dumbest passes ever, almost worse than the dumb **** Jrue used to do. This team needs to figure it out, or Dame needs to figure it out otherwise we are toast potentially in the first round.

[Ron Swanson]

Absolute boner killer to have to chew on these two awful losses for 8-days after thinking we'd be riding high off that Denver win going into the ASB. Just use this next week to get healthy and let's go on a roll.

[Bucksmaniac]

day one i said firing bud that our run was over and that giannis was just gonna be a numbers guy again and guys said i was dumb.

looks like a a total bitch move to call me that now

didnt even watch the second half after the abortion of the first. i feel bad for you guys who still watch like i used to. this is the worst version of the bucks ive ever watched in the sense of how embarrassed i am to be a fan of the club. even when we were tanking or going for the 8th seed we often outplayed the rosters potential with guys that hustled and played as if they cared.

there is NOBODY on this roster who plays a fundamental game with pride on both ends. its the laziest weak minded group ever. at least they trusted bud tho. now they think theyre smarter than any coach.

this is on the players. all of them. if you try to single any one out as not at fault for this than youre doing it wrong.

whatevs. you wont care as much if you dont watch. ill watch again when the rosters been turned over. ALL of it

That’s almost exactly how I feel, you summed it up quite well! It was more rewarding watching players play hard to try to make the Playoffs than watching these guys now whose best time was a few years ago.