Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst to Detroit rumor

[fansinceforever]

Assuming we stay below the 2nd apron, you'd have any combination of Khris/Brook/Bobby/Pat in salary to move ($75 million) plus, Marjon, AJJ, 2024 1st, the 30th-36th pick, and another future 1st to attach. Obviously we'd all prefer being over the 2nd apron cuz that means we've won the title and Khris' incentives kicked in, but any combination of those assets is more than enough to re-tool around Dame/Giannis and still be a contender so long as you identify the right fits.

Are you saying draft a player in the first round then package them? Because, unless I'm mistaken, we can't trade that pick.

I'm still not seeing why quality young players come to us for the package above, especially in the scenario of us getting bounced early and needing to retool.

Why for the team that's trading the young player unless said young player is disgruntled?

Again, what are you guys even classifying as a "young" player? Like, no **** Minnesota isn't gonna give us Ant Man for like, Khris, Brook, and a 2030 1st round pick. But would Brooklyn give us Cam Johnson and Dorian Finney-Smith for Khris, Bobby, and Marjon in a 3-way trade where they re-route Khris to Dallas or something? Sure, and that's on the light side of return value for us.

Yeah, no ones talking getting a player anywhere near Anthony Edwards.

And two starters is probably not on the light side of return for Khris at this point. This move would legitimately be a god send.

[StickeeFingaz]

Before the trade deadline I felt that Horst needed to revamp the entire bench, sort of like what Cleveland did that one year with LeBron.

Either Horst didn’t think that was necessary or he couldn’t find trade partners. Either way, he’s responsible for the bench we have.

[Ron Swanson]

The one substantial rumor we had all but confirmed that we could have traded Bobby for Grant Williams plus minor assets and you guys still trot out this same old "nobody wants our trash players" thing.

[ReasonablySober]

The one substantial rumor we had all but confirmed that we could have traded Bobby for Grant Williams plus minor assets and you guys still trot out this same old "nobody wants our trash players" thing.

If all you can get for Bobby is the corpse of Grant Williams, I'd say the assumption that no one wants our trash is pretty reasonable.

[Ron Swanson]

The one substantial rumor we had all but confirmed that we could have traded Bobby for Grant Williams plus minor assets and you guys still trot out this same old "nobody wants our trash players" thing.

If all you can get for Bobby is the corpse of Grant Williams, I'd say the assumption that no one wants our trash is pretty reasonable.

17/7/2 on 64% TS with a +34.6 on/off since getting traded seems like pretty good production for a corpse.

[MickeyDavis]

Dallas dumped Williams 1/2 season into his 4 year deal.

"I would say one of the ways that Grant Williams rubbed people the wrong way, the yap, yap, yapping, obviously, that's kind of part of it with him. Which it's charmingly obnoxious if he's productive, and it's grating when he's not, but he didn't report in good shape, and Grant Williams not in good shape is not a good defender. Grant Williams has proven throughout the course of his career, when he gets in shape he can be an impactful defender, but that's not the guy that the Mavericks got."

Even so, Dallas would have been fine if Williams couldn't keep his mouth shut had he been able to back it up with fine play. As it turned out, he was reportedly "not in good shape" when he joined the team. The 25-year-old vet also failed to consistently carry out his 3-and-D role, which was the franchise's primary motivation for committing more than $50 million to him. Perhaps his lack of optimal conditioning contributed to his subpar production.

[DingleJerry]

I probably would've done that trade since it was supposedly reported that we'd be getting value added. Maybe picks, maybe you could Dwight Powell. Younger, more athletic for playing on the wing, etc. I think more years left on deal before dealing with FA. We would've had a backup big hole but there was option, like if Powell came with

[jute2003]

I thought the rumor was bobby for GW straight up. No added value either way

[emunney]

Pat's a bigger problem than Bobby, but like Ron said, the biggest problem is both of them at the same time. Pat guarding the ball with Bobby behind him is not defense. Also think Bobby's problems are more fixable. He needs to be more disciplined, and he's got to be less eager to accept switches up top.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I thought the rumor was bobby for GW straight up. No added value either way

Who knows what to believe. Bucks might have asked for more value back and Mavs pivoted to PJ Washington instead.

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[Ron Swanson]

FWIW Stein reported that the deal basically fell apart because we wanted Josh Green included. We don't know for sure what the additional compensation would have been but logic dictates that it was likely either the 1st that they ended up sending to Charlotte or one of Hardy or O-Max.

[Brewhoopfan]

Now more than ever, Giannis needs to be surrounded with defense. Bucks went the opposite direction. Big mistake.

[LUKE23]

Now more than ever, Giannis needs to be surrounded with defense. Bucks went the opposite direction. Big mistake.

With Doc, small sample obviously, but they are defending well. 6th in defense. The offense sucks (21st under Doc) for a myriad of reasons.

Shooting better than 32% on open 3s would be the first improvement. Running far more Dame/GA PnR in the halfcourt would be 2. Less Bobby post ups. Less Brook 35 foot 3s. Midds not being injured. More commitment to ball movement.

If this D can stick I think they can talent their way out of it on offense. I wouldn’t say the same if the rankings were reversed.

Dame needs to figure out himself mentally. He’s the only one who can do that.

[emunney]

FWIW Stein reported that the deal basically fell apart because we wanted Josh Green included. We don't know for sure what the additional compensation would have been but logic dictates that it was likely either the 1st that they ended up sending to Charlotte or one of Hardy or O-Max.

Josh Green is obviously too much. O-Max would have been nice and appropriate.

[JayMKE]

Headline implies Lakers would probably be very interested in Dame Lillard possibly offering 3 1st round picks

[Profound23]

Now more than ever, Giannis needs to be surrounded with defense. Bucks went the opposite direction. Big mistake.

Who do you think would be a better team

Bam
Jaren Jackson
Giannis
Smart
Jrue


or

Joker
KD
Giannis
Luka
Curry

[randy84]

Headline implies Lakers would probably be very interested in Dame Lillard possibly offering 3 1st round picks

3 1st round picks for a GM that can't draft sounds like a waste of a Dame asset.

[JayMKE]

Now more than ever, Giannis needs to be surrounded with defense. Bucks went the opposite direction. Big mistake.

Who do you think would be a better team

Bam
Jaren Jackson
Giannis
Smart
Jrue


or

Joker
KD
Giannis
Luka
Curry

That all offense team would be more than solid defensively tbf

[JayMKE]

Headline implies Lakers would probably be very interested in Dame Lillard possibly offering 3 1st round picks

3 1st round picks for a GM that can't draft sounds like a waste of a Dame asset.

That’s why I want to reroute it for new core players next to Giannis, think six 1st round picks is a good start to target anybody that could become available.

[Profound23]

Headline implies Lakers would probably be very interested in Dame Lillard possibly offering 3 1st round picks

3 1st round picks for a GM that can't draft sounds like a waste of a Dame asset.

That’s why I want to reroute it for new core players next to Giannis, think six 1st round picks is a good start to target anybody that could become available.

Yep, only way I am doing this is if a third team gets involved and will take those picks for a younger star.