Damian Lillard struggles big time right now

[Lalouie]

there are 130 players with a higher 3pt%
lillard is career,,,,,,1% better than average. this year he's shooting at a "really good westbrook game" level

but we're waiting for the playoffs

in context,,,there's 50 players shooting @ 40% or better!!!!, making the 3pt shooter a commodity, NOT the luxury it used to be. which is why even curry has a ceiling for effectiveness.

HALF THE NBA TEAMS have a higher % average than lillard
in other words, you can say the bucks traded a luxury(jrue) for a commodity(lillard)

[John Murdoch]

Earlier in the season posters were commenting on Dame's very poor energy and body language, and Bucks/Dame fans were biting their heads off and painting that as ridiculous.

Didn't Lillard's agent or "camp" or whatever straight up say he only wanted to play for Miami and other teams shouldn't trade for him?

Does Dame want to be in Milwaukee? Do he and Giannis even like each other, and does the rest of the team like Dame? Is the poor energy infecting the rest of the team?

I'm not trying to start anything as much as I'm trying to figure out why Dame is sucking so hard while looking like his dog died.

[ConSarnit]

Jrue Holiday - 2.1 3PM on 44% shooting
Dame - 2.9 3PM on 34% shooting

That's not far from his career average of 37%. Dame has range, but he's never been a very high % shooter.

This season has lessened his volume though because he was to share the ball, which he isn't used to doing.

I did a deep dive on Lillard analytics when the whole hoopla thing happened to see how he would fit in Miami Heat with our team.

Here's what I found, the grand majority of great 3P shooters in the league, the higher the amount of volume the worse the percentage got some players where more substantial than others. The inverse of that on players that were set shooters, or corner shooters their percent would increase on lower volume. Lillard fell into a different category similar to Step Curry that he actually decreased his percentages with lower volume, and increased his efficiency on higher volume total different to normal shooters. There are other guys that fall within that margin, its due to the fact that they are rythm players that require a certain amount of shooting in order to get into a kill streak of hitting numerous consecutive difficult shots.

If you want to see Lillard hit more shots, and be more efficient, he needs to shot more and have a bigger usage rate, his numbers are down 9-12% across the board, on everything which correlates to him having a 12% drop in usage rate by ratio vs minutes played.

How are you measuring this?

Steph's 4 worst 3pt shooting seasons avg 3pa (excluding injured 19/20 season):

11.6 3pa

Steph's 4 best 3pt shooting seasons avg 3pa

7.9 3pa

3/5 of Steph's highest volume 3pa seasons are also 3 of the 5 lowest 3fg% seasons, which completely refutes your point.

[Bash1676]

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Check my postings out here..I said this when he first got traded to the bucks and everyone jumped on the bandwagon saying the bucks will win it! I noticed a slippage in his game and holiday getting traded to the celtics is a game changer! Holiday is a 6'5 point guard that is a terrific defender. He will make Dame average in the playoffs to neutralise whatever out of this world game Giannis comes with. In ither for the bucks to beat the Celtics, Dame will need to have a superstar kind of numbers and i don't see him getting that kind of stats against Holiday! Tatum will almost cancel Giannis point wise. Btown will definitely outplay Middleton and porzingis will outplay Lopez. Gonna be western conference finals max for the bucks.

[Lalouie]

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Check my postings out here..I said this when he first got traded to the bucks and everyone jumped on the bandwagon saying the bucks will win it! I noticed a slippage in his game and holiday getting traded to the celtics is a game changer! Holiday is a 6'5 point guard that is a terrific defender. He will make Dame average in the playoffs to neutralise whatever out of this world game Giannis comes with. In ither for the bucks to beat the Celtics, Dame will need to have a superstar kind of numbers and i don't see him getting that kind of stats against Holiday! Tatum will almost cancel Giannis point wise. Btown will definitely outplay Middleton and porzingis will outplay Lopez. Gonna be western conference finals max for the bucks.

according to reference,,,37% is dame's career average. he's actually been lower. there are currently 12 TEAMS with a 37% or higher 3pt average

dame this year is 34%!

regardless,,,we're all dancing around the same thing, dame's shooting is not making up for the loss of jrue,,,,,,and oh btw grayson allen too

[Dominator83]

Turns out Herro and a pick was a fair offer after all

[SweaterBae]

Turns out Herro and a pick was a fair offer after all

Herro and 8 2nds.

[Sandy333]

there are 130 players with a higher 3pt%
lillard is career,,,,,,1% better than average. this year he's shooting at a "really good westbrook game" level

but we're waiting for the playoffs

in context,,,there's 50 players shooting @ 40% or better!!!!, making the 3pt shooter a commodity, NOT the luxury it used to be. which is why even curry has a ceiling for effectiveness.

HALF THE NBA TEAMS have a higher % average than lillard
in other words, you can say the bucks traded a luxury(jrue) for a commodity(lillard)

Good point, same reason I always say curry is not as valuable now as earlier. Most teams have a player who can go 5 for 7 from 3s. All superstars have vastly improved 3 point % closer to 3 point specialists like curry and Lillard.

[og15]

there are 130 players with a higher 3pt%
lillard is career,,,,,,1% better than average. this year he's shooting at a "really good westbrook game" level

but we're waiting for the playoffs

in context,,,there's 50 players shooting @ 40% or better!!!!, making the 3pt shooter a commodity, NOT the luxury it used to be. which is why even curry has a ceiling for effectiveness.

HALF THE NBA TEAMS have a higher % average than lillard
in other words, you can say the bucks traded a luxury(jrue) for a commodity(lillard)

Good point, same reason I always say curry is not as valuable now as earlier. Most teams have a player who can go 5 for 7 from 3s. All superstars have vastly improved 3 point % closer to 3 point specialists like curry and Lillard.

They aren't 3PT shooting specialists, they are scorers with elite shooting ability. Kyle Korver was a 3PT shooting specialist.

We're pretty shaky as fans with some of this stuff though. We're always coming out and saying guys aren't as effective when they are in their mid 30's and then trying to retroactively pass that performance to them when they were like 27-32 years old.

They are not as effective because they've gotten older, that's really all it is. Even if guys still out up numbers when they are older, we can see the little differences that start to happen.

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[davidv2001]

The Bucks biggest problem is Khris Middleton’s lack of availability, whether it’s due to load management or new injuries. They should have traded him instead of Jrue Holiday in the Lillard package.

The other issue is they shouldn’t have dealt Grayson Allen to the Suns along with trading Holiday to acquire Lillard. They needed either Holiday or Allen starting alongside Lillard in the backcourt, not another poor defender in Malik Beasley.

Without a healthy Middleton, the Bucks don’t have that many good NBA players on their roster. You have Giannis, Dame, Lopez and Portis with a big drop off to guys like Crowder, Malik Beasley, Connaughton and Beverley.

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Check my postings out here..I said this when he first got traded to the bucks and everyone jumped on the bandwagon saying the bucks will win it! I noticed a slippage in his game and holiday getting traded to the celtics is a game changer! Holiday is a 6'5 point guard that is a terrific defender. He will make Dame average in the playoffs to neutralise whatever out of this world game Giannis comes with. In ither for the bucks to beat the Celtics, Dame will need to have a superstar kind of numbers and i don't see him getting that kind of stats against Holiday! Tatum will almost cancel Giannis point wise. Btown will definitely outplay Middleton and porzingis will outplay Lopez. Gonna be western conference finals max for the bucks.

That's not how it works. Giannis is about equal to Tatum and Brown combined in impact. Jrue and Dame cancel out with small edge to Dame. Porzingis better than Lopez. Middleton better than 4th best Celtic.

[Charlesareed]

Turns out Herro and a pick was a fair offer after all

It was always a good offer Portland just didn’t want to herro for some reason maybe they didn’t wanna do business with pat and the Heat

Looking at Portland roster all the got was trash and Malcolm brogdon but he’s always injured and is not a scorer herro is better plus they could’ve just traded herro at the deadline for a huge haul

[dygaction]

Will all star starter, 3pt champion, and all star MVP bring Dame's best games back?

[Flash4thewin]

Turns out Herro and a pick was a fair offer after all

It was always a good offer Portland just didn’t want to herro for some reason maybe they didn’t wanna do business with pat and the Heat

Looking at Portland roster all the got was trash and Malcolm brogdon but he’s always injured and is not a scorer herro is better plus they could’ve just traded herro at the deadline for a huge haul

Please tell me what team is going to throw a huge haul for Herro?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Will all star starter, 3pt champion, and all star MVP bring Dame's best games back?

He wasn’t really MVP, he just chucked the most on the winning team.

It’s all a scrimmage so who really cares, but he scored 7 more points than Haliburton on 11 more shots. :-p

[Sweet Serenity]

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Check my postings out here..I said this when he first got traded to the bucks and everyone jumped on the bandwagon saying the bucks will win it! I noticed a slippage in his game and holiday getting traded to the celtics is a game changer! Holiday is a 6'5 point guard that is a terrific defender. He will make Dame average in the playoffs to neutralise whatever out of this world game Giannis comes with. In ither for the bucks to beat the Celtics, Dame will need to have a superstar kind of numbers and i don't see him getting that kind of stats against Holiday! Tatum will almost cancel Giannis point wise. Btown will definitely outplay Middleton and porzingis will outplay Lopez. Gonna be western conference finals max for the bucks.

That's not how it works. Giannis is about equal to Tatum and Brown combined in impact. Jrue and Dame cancel out with small edge to Dame. Porzingis better than Lopez. Middleton better than 4th best Celtic.

What am I reading ?
Giannis impact does not equal both Tatum & Brown combined & White is definitely better than Middleton night now.

[theFireBlanket]

Will all star starter, 3pt champion, and all star MVP bring Dame's best games back?

He wasn’t really MVP, he just chucked the most on the winning team.

It’s all a scrimmage so who really cares, but he scored 7 more points than Haliburton on 11 more shots. :-p

Two half court 3s, buried a regular 30 footer with KD all over him. 11 treys. He was lit. Like it or not.

[CobraCommander]

He can still shoot but can’t play well enough to impact ref season nba games -

Something amiss

[JRoy]

Turns out Herro and a pick was a fair offer after all

It was always a good offer Portland just didn’t want to herro for some reason maybe they didn’t wanna do business with pat and the Heat

Looking at Portland roster all the got was trash and Malcolm brogdon but he’s always injured and is not a scorer herro is better plus they could’ve just traded herro at the deadline for a huge haul

No.

Wont know the value until all the picks come in. Didn’t and don’t want Herro, already have 3 young guards that all need minutes.

Not a lot of interest in Herro apparently.