Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[brownbobcat]

To be fair the all-star game effort level is probably not much more of a load than sitting around would be

I wonder if it is conditioning or if his fundamentals just start to slip throughout the year when he does not have a trainer with him everyday making sure everything looks right. Because you are right, his 3pt % over his career is drastically higher to start the year. By month in his career it is

40%
35%
35%
26%
34%
21%
26%

His form lately looks completely different. Less knee bend. His left leg is placed differently. He’s not holding his follow-through. His hip is turning on his release, which is a thing that Jama worked with Barnes on in the summer. Mechanics have regressed. He just needs more practice. Lots more practice.

Form is off plus I would believe less catch and shoot opportunities now that the defense is more geared towards him.

I fully expect his 3P% to decline the rest of this season. He was shooting a lot from beyond the break, and that's going to catch up to him as a non-elite shooter. Add to that defences are definitely honing in on him more and closing out harder. In a way, that's kind of what you want - shoot well enough to make them respect the shot.

[TimeForChange]

listen to josh hart talking about trying to score and guard the best player on the opposite team. mfs on here think what scottie is doing every night is easy

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[AkelaLoneWolf]

listen to josh hart talking about trying to score and guard the best player on the opposite team. mfs on here think what scottie is doing every night is easy

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if we're going to compare scottie to josh hart, then we need to stop building around him.
if scottie is having a problem with his new role, then maybe he should be third banana behind siakam and OG.

[rapsincr]

listen to josh hart talking about trying to score and guard the best player on the opposite team. mfs on here think what scottie is doing every night is easy

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if we're going to compare scottie to josh hart, then we need to stop building around him.
if scottie is having a problem with his new role, then maybe he should be third banana behind siakam and OG.

how was that anything even close to a player comparison? not exactly hard to grasp what hes saying...or maybe it is, i dunno.

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if we're going to compare scottie to josh hart, then we need to stop building around him.
if scottie is having a problem with his new role, then maybe he should be third banana behind siakam and OG.

Except that's not what we're doing here? You don't need to listen to Josh Hart to know that exerting effort on offence and defence is tiring.

Jokic, Luka, Steph, KD, Dame, etc. all give minimal effort on the defensive end. Even players like Kawhi tend to coast during the regular season to preserve their health and energy. Guys like Giannis and Embiid who do play defence also have much more limited offensive games than the aforementioned players. They also took many years to get to the point (physically) where they could be good on both sides of the ball.

Expecting a 22 year-old to give you MVP-level offense and defense is ridiculous, yet that's the standard some of our fans compare Scottie to.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

listen to josh hart talking about trying to score and guard the best player on the opposite team. mfs on here think what scottie is doing every night is easy

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if we're going to compare scottie to josh hart, then we need to stop building around him.
if scottie is having a problem with his new role, then maybe he should be third banana behind siakam and OG.

Except that's not what we're doing here? You don't need to listen to Josh Hart to know that exerting effort on offence and defence is tiring.

Jokic, Luka, Steph, KD, Dame, etc. all give minimal effort on the defensive end. Even players like Kawhi tend to coast during the regular season to preserve their health and energy. Guys like Giannis and Embiid who do play defence also have much more limited offensive games than the aforementioned players. They also took many years to get to the point (physically) where they could be good on both sides of the ball.

Expecting a 22 year-old to give you MVP-level offense and defense is ridiculous, yet that's the standard some of our fans compare Scottie to.

That's not what I'm saying here. its fair to stay as a 22 year old, his game and conditioning/physique will it make it difficult for him to be a good 2 way player.
What I am saying is that, if you're josh hart you can complain because we don't have those expectations of him. but if you're scottie barnes and you're the franchise player, you don't get to complain. i don't disagree with hart that its extremely hard; but if you're the franchise player then expectations are that much higher.

[Tha Cynic]

if we're going to compare scottie to josh hart, then we need to stop building around him.
if scottie is having a problem with his new role, then maybe he should be third banana behind siakam and OG.

Except that's not what we're doing here? You don't need to listen to Josh Hart to know that exerting effort on offence and defence is tiring.

Jokic, Luka, Steph, KD, Dame, etc. all give minimal effort on the defensive end. Even players like Kawhi tend to coast during the regular season to preserve their health and energy. Guys like Giannis and Embiid who do play defence also have much more limited offensive games than the aforementioned players. They also took many years to get to the point (physically) where they could be good on both sides of the ball.

Expecting a 22 year-old to give you MVP-level offense and defense is ridiculous, yet that's the standard some of our fans compare Scottie to.

That's not what I'm saying here. its fair to stay as a 22 year old, his game and conditioning/physique will it make it difficult for him to be a good 2 way player.
What I am saying is that, if you're josh hart you can complain because we don't have those expectations of him. but if you're scottie barnes and you're the franchise player, you don't get to complain. i don't disagree with hart that its extremely hard; but if you're the franchise player then expectations are that much higher.

Barnes complained? Where was this?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Except that's not what we're doing here? You don't need to listen to Josh Hart to know that exerting effort on offence and defence is tiring.

Jokic, Luka, Steph, KD, Dame, etc. all give minimal effort on the defensive end. Even players like Kawhi tend to coast during the regular season to preserve their health and energy. Guys like Giannis and Embiid who do play defence also have much more limited offensive games than the aforementioned players. They also took many years to get to the point (physically) where they could be good on both sides of the ball.

Expecting a 22 year-old to give you MVP-level offense and defense is ridiculous, yet that's the standard some of our fans compare Scottie to.

That's not what I'm saying here. its fair to stay as a 22 year old, his game and conditioning/physique will it make it difficult for him to be a good 2 way player.
What I am saying is that, if you're josh hart you can complain because we don't have those expectations of him. but if you're scottie barnes and you're the franchise player, you don't get to complain. i don't disagree with hart that its extremely hard; but if you're the franchise player then expectations are that much higher.

Barnes complained? Where was this?

my bad. misspoke. just calling out the barnes fanboys who like to lower expectations at every turn. just saying shouldn't be comparing a role players' trials and tribulations to a star players' and possibly a franchise player

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That's not what I'm saying here. its fair to stay as a 22 year old, his game and conditioning/physique will it make it difficult for him to be a good 2 way player.
What I am saying is that, if you're josh hart you can complain because we don't have those expectations of him. but if you're scottie barnes and you're the franchise player, you don't get to complain. i don't disagree with hart that its extremely hard; but if you're the franchise player then expectations are that much higher.

Barnes complained? Where was this?

my bad. misspoke. just calling out the barnes fanboys who like to lower expectations at every turn. just saying shouldn't be comparing a role players' trials and tribulations to a star players' and possibly a franchise player

Nobody is lowering expectations. Some people are just willing to give a 22 year-old a bit of time before criticising him. If he hasn't improved certain aspects of his game by 25, then we'll have a problem, but that's another 3 seasons from now.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Barnes complained? Where was this?

my bad. misspoke. just calling out the barnes fanboys who like to lower expectations at every turn. just saying shouldn't be comparing a role players' trials and tribulations to a star players' and possibly a franchise player

Nobody is lowering expectations. Some people are just willing to give a 22 year-old a bit of time before criticising him. If he hasn't improved certain aspects of his game by 25, then we'll have a problem, but that's another 3 seasons from now.

to be fair, no one should be complaining about barnes on court game right now. we all know it has holes but he's also been dealing with being the primary focus on defense and adjusting to a larger role.
we should however expect him to show effort and professionalism at every game, which he also is for the most part. i think a lot of us just need to chill a little bit and enjoy the growth process; not just him but IQ and Barrett. I think both of them also still have upside.

[Tha Cynic]

my bad. misspoke. just calling out the barnes fanboys who like to lower expectations at every turn. just saying shouldn't be comparing a role players' trials and tribulations to a star players' and possibly a franchise player

Nobody is lowering expectations. Some people are just willing to give a 22 year-old a bit of time before criticising him. If he hasn't improved certain aspects of his game by 25, then we'll have a problem, but that's another 3 seasons from now.

to be fair, no one should be complaining about barnes on court game right now. we all know it has holes but he's also been dealing with being the primary focus on defense and adjusting to a larger role.
we should however expect him to show effort and professionalism at every game, which he also is for the most part. i think a lot of us just need to chill a little bit and enjoy the growth process; not just him but IQ and Barrett. I think both of them also still have upside.

Yeah the only players who make bigger jumps are guys like Luka who is a top 3 player in the league right now. We know Barnes isn't where he will eventually be offensively, so everything we are seeing right now is expected. He's got a ton of room to grow, and being the focal point will allow him and the team to see where he needs to improve his game.

The effort is always there. He does get tired on offense which is understandable because he does cover the most ground for someone his size in the entire NBA. The comments about effort are completely missing what he's actually doing due to his body language on offense.

This is all part of the process.

[mdenny]

Top end prospects with 2 way potential need to learn how to guard the opposing star. Kawhi did it for his 6 or 7 seasons. When he became an elite offensive player in his late 20s....that's when it stopped being a day in-day out assignment.

But all those years of defending the other team's star developed his defense so that there is always an option of giving him that assignment. Think game 3 of the Bucks series when we decided to switch things up and put kawhi on giannis. It was the turning point of that whole series.

There's also the option with kawhi to give him that assignment in the last 10 minutes of a game.

Without all those years of doing it...kawhi wouldn't have developed that ability to the extent he did.

This is the same reason why Barnes should be doing it during his development years. We didn't draft a luka player. We drafted a two way player and he needs to be developed like a two way player.

[ArthurVandelay]

That's not what I'm saying here. its fair to stay as a 22 year old, his game and conditioning/physique will it make it difficult for him to be a good 2 way player.
What I am saying is that, if you're josh hart you can complain because we don't have those expectations of him. but if you're scottie barnes and you're the franchise player, you don't get to complain. i don't disagree with hart that its extremely hard; but if you're the franchise player then expectations are that much higher.

Barnes complained? Where was this?

my bad. misspoke. just calling out the barnes fanboys who like to lower expectations at every turn. just saying shouldn't be comparing a role players' trials and tribulations to a star players' and possibly a franchise player

I’m a Scottie fanboy. Funny thing is it’s because I see tremendous potential and have extremely high expectations for him over the next decade. I’m just not expecting him to meet them all in 2023-2024.

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Top end prospects with 2 way potential need to learn how to guard the opposing star. Kawhi did it for his 6 or 7 seasons. When he became an elite offensive player in his late 20s....that's when it stopped being a day in-day out assignment.

But all those years of defending the other team's star developed his defense so that there is always an option of giving him that assignment. Think game 3 of the Bucks series when we decided to switch things up and put kawhi on giannis. It was the turning point of that whole series.

There's also the option with kawhi to give him that assignment in the last 10 minutes of a game.

Without all those years of doing it...kawhi wouldn't have developed that ability to the extent he did.

This is the same reason why Barnes should be doing it during his development years. We didn't draft a luka player. We drafted a two way player and he needs to be developed like a two way player.

Giannis and Embiid never guard the opposing team's best player (unless that player is a PF or C) and they are elite two-way players. Scottie isn't a wing. He's best used as a mobile help defender, like Giannis.

[Chandan]

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[mdenny]

Top end prospects with 2 way potential need to learn how to guard the opposing star. Kawhi did it for his 6 or 7 seasons. When he became an elite offensive player in his late 20s....that's when it stopped being a day in-day out assignment.

But all those years of defending the other team's star developed his defense so that there is always an option of giving him that assignment. Think game 3 of the Bucks series when we decided to switch things up and put kawhi on giannis. It was the turning point of that whole series.

There's also the option with kawhi to give him that assignment in the last 10 minutes of a game.

Without all those years of doing it...kawhi wouldn't have developed that ability to the extent he did.

This is the same reason why Barnes should be doing it during his development years. We didn't draft a luka player. We drafted a two way player and he needs to be developed like a two way player.

Giannis and Embiid never guard the opposing team's best player (unless that player is a PF or C) and they are elite two-way players. Scottie isn't a wing. He's best used as a mobile help defender, like Giannis.

That's because Giannis isn't 22 years old and developing. However....Giannis WAS given the assignment of guarding the opposing star during his rookie contract years. That's why he won best defensive player in 2017. And like kawhi...giannis can always be given that assignment here in 2024 because of that development.

Embiid is obviously a different scenario because of his size. He's a pure Center that isn't built to guard multiple positions like Barnes.

[Harry Palmer]

Scottie Barnes at the break:

35.2 MIN, 20.1 PPG, 8.1 REB, 6.0 AST, 1.5 BLK, 1.2 STL, .473 FG, .353 3PT, .779 FT, .567 TS, 24.8 USG

That 3p% has really plummeted. But not much else you can ask from your 22 year old star.

Agreed, but the implications of that caveat are pretty significant.