2024 Off-Season: Southeast Division

[Skybox]

Carter is not an upgrade to a team with Capela/OO. Even if you somehow thought he was the best player of the 3 simply based on one very small sample of 3-pt shooting on low volume, he's not a meaningful upgrade.

Odd to try and insist Hawks fans see him as such.

Actually, it's kind of normal to consider that one who's more familiar with the player might have a better understanding of his skill set and value. I'm not saying ATL fans are wrong or unable to analyze for themselves or have to agree, but your last statement is odd, both sides have their say.

In WCJ's case, a good long look, makes me think he's not a perfect fit for what Paolo & Franz need (aka what ORL needs) but I also think WCJ is capable of doing a lot more offensively on another roster. He's underutilized offensively in ORL- as he should be, considering who's next to him.

That's why some of us see a simple brute like Claxton as a better fit...not even necessarily a better overall player than WCJ. The logical next step would be to use WCJ's value to address the guard scoring problem.

[Texas Chuck]

I strongly disagree that fans of a team who currently employ a player have the better understanding of his value. For instance on this board we see fans consistently overvalue the players on their own team, often badly.

And while they should have a better idea of his skillset, you are selling him as a legit stretch 5 only held back by elite offensive talent. I would have the Hawks having more offensive talent right now and it not being particularly close and I don't know that 30 made 3's at a 40% clip is clear evidence that a career 33% shooter has the skills you are hard selling.

So I strongly disagree he'd be seen by the Hawks as a major upgrade at the heart of a Murray deal. And if he is valued as such by the MAgic, take him out and replace him with different value for the Hawks who have 2 low level starting centers already on the roster and shouldn't overvalue a 3rd.

[aguiar95]

Quick question for the teams mentioned:

ATL - Is OO still part of the core (Young, Johnson)? With that many chances, it'd be expected he should be starting by now, but isn't.

CHA - With Ball, Miller and Mark being the future, what skillset is the biggets need for them to move to a play-in status?

MIA - Knowing how the season went, was it still a mistake not making a big move (IMO it was the right call)?

ORL - Would you rather part ways with Suggs or Black when trading for another complementary piece?

WAS - Are Deni and Coulibaly the future of their forward spots? None of them seem great offensively.

[CP War Hawks]

OO I would consider the 3rd guy on the untouchable list for the Hawks. Which is sorta sad considering he's a top 15-30 type center. They've failed building around Trae so far, but Fields is a Masai esque GM when it comes to drafting those type prospects.

[Skybox]

Quick question for the teams mentioned:

ATL - Is OO still part of the core (Young, Johnson)? With that many chances, it'd be expected he should be starting by now, but isn't.

CHA - With Ball, Miller and Mark being the future, what skillset is the biggets need for them to move to a play-in status?

MIA - Knowing how the season went, was it still a mistake not making a big move (IMO it was the right call)?

ORL - Would you rather part ways with Suggs or Black when trading for another complementary piece?

WAS - Are Deni and Coulibaly the future of their forward spots? None of them seem great offensively.

For ORL…Suggs is obviously more valuable, at this point. But Black has shown superior ballhandling and flashes of real PG capability. AB is very very raw, so he’d be the easier to let go…but if the trade target was a really high-end SG, you might have to consider including Suggs. Suggs, despite many of our wishes, just isn’t a PG or a reliable big scorer…so he’s a little hard to match-like Marcus Smart.

Ideally, ORL keeps both and gets a scoring guard who can play “enough” point to partner with Suggs but have AB coming in off the bench. Ceiling is very high for AB but he hasn’t done enough to bring much back in a trade…I’d rather give up a frp than Black, but I’d rather give up Black than Suggs.

[tiderulz]

Quick question for the teams mentioned:

ATL - Is OO still part of the core (Young, Johnson)? With that many chances, it'd be expected he should be starting by now, but isn't.

CHA - With Ball, Miller and Mark being the future, what skillset is the biggets need for them to move to a play-in status?

MIA - Knowing how the season went, was it still a mistake not making a big move (IMO it was the right call)?

ORL - Would you rather part ways with Suggs or Black when trading for another complementary piece?

WAS - Are Deni and Coulibaly the future of their forward spots? None of them seem great offensively.

personally, for Orlando i would rather part with Black.