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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 5.0 - Somebody save us 

Post#1721 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:38 pm

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The Lakers won and Bucks won, Warriors won, Raptors won, the Cavs won. Thats reality.

You always miss the shots you dont take. With our team it just feels and looks like we never went all in, we never really tried and it shows. The Lakers, the Bucks, the Raps, the Warriors etc are all teams that are not scared to pay. They value winning. Its the put your money where your mouth is. Reality.

The Celtics have lost just like us. The Clip if healthy have a shot. The Wolves are in the crawl/walk stage of contending not running. Suns who knows lol, they could be the Nets 2.0. Sixers are a team like the Clips if everyone is healthy. The Knicks are finally good and also in the walk crawl stage.

Ah, the overused and often misused “all in” take. Sometimes its just not your time. The Lakers had to go a decade between titles, and god knows how many for the Raptors, Cavs and Bucks. Nobody is entitled to winning a championship.
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Post#1722 » by ZoStrong » Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:16 pm

It's always weird to me seeing these fans who view it's a championship or bust, lol. I get it from Riley pov. It's his legacy on the line. But I had as much fun enjoying last year's run as any of the 4 LeBron years.

I'm a fan of the game and Heat. Rings don't make or break my life. I enjoy exciting games, unexpected runs, great drafts. Championships are fluky, all champions has luck on their side to get the ring. But the kind of success Heat had over last couple decades is more of a testament to the leadership than luck. Wait till you go through 20 years of terrible basketball then you may appreciate what we have right now. Plenty of teams out there in that basketball hell. Ringless decades or no ring at all ever!

These fans, I think, just use "their" team's success as a crutch when talking to their friends who are fans of other teams. Some sort of an ego boost cuz "his" team is better than others. Idk, weird mentality, lol
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 5.0 - Somebody save us 

Post#1723 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:18 pm

ZoStrong wrote:It's always weird to me seeing these fans who view it's a championship or bust, lol. I get it from Riley pov. It's his legacy on the line. But I had as much fun enjoying last year's run as any of the 4 LeBron years.

I'm a fan of the game and Heat. Rings don't make or break my life. I enjoy exciting games, unexpected runs, great drafts. Championships are fluky, all champions has luck on their side to get the ring. But the kind of success Heat had over last couple decades is more of a testament to the leadership than luck. Wait till you go through 20 years of terrible basketball then you may appreciate what we have right now. Plenty of teams out there in that basketball hell. Ringless decades or no ring at all ever!

These fans, I think, just use "their" team's success as a crutch when talking to their friends who are fans of other teams. Some sort of an ego boost cuz "his" team is better than others. Idk, weird mentality, lol


It’s not championship or bust but when you’re right there and have been right there for 5 years now and it’s staring you in the face then they right moves need to be made to get over the bump. That’s simply just being competent at your job and not being delusional about your players like they have been with Tyler over the years
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Post#1724 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:31 pm

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Post#1725 » by gom » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:32 pm

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It was a tongue in cheek joke from Bam, but that tells you exactly why you don't see him taking any 3pt's during games.


It’s very clearly Spo or he wouldn’t have given that response lol. Spo has a system, he has players in roles doing exactly what he wants them to be doing and Spo doesn’t want Bam shooting 3s. Spos system works and we win when it matters, it is what it is but it’s just been funny seeing Bam get the blame on this (as well as everything else) when he’s sound countless times he wants to shoot 3s.


We are over a decade from the last time we won when it mattered, a championship. For perspective you could have had a new Heat fan in 6th grade

- graduate from middle
- graduate from high school,
- be in college finishing a degree
- or get a trade degree, join the military etc
- and start a family of his/her own

All of this in the span of a decade.
Thats how long it's been since we have won a ring.
So saying we win when it matters doesn't sound right does it?


It's a lot different when you're older. Some of my best memories are those battles with the Knicks before we had a championship. I am proud of the Heat's accomplishments, but it's more about how they did it, rather than the number of banners hanging. I like that we always try to compete, and that adversity just makes us tougher. That being said, I'd love to win a championship. If not, though, I will still have a good time.
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Post#1726 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:08 pm

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I won’t deny that this sounds like Pat’s type of play… circa 2010.
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Post#1727 » by twix2500 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:46 pm

I understand championship or bust but not championship or tank which some want

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Post#1728 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:49 pm

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I won’t deny that this sounds like Pat’s type of play… circa 2010.


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Post#1729 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:38 pm

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I won’t deny that this sounds like Pat’s type of play… circa 2010.


We can only hope

Its not happening in Miami, those days of free agency trio's are over, you may get one trio out of the three from free agency added to the mix but you need to have the other 2 already on the team either through drafting or development. Teams won't be getting 2 or 3 in one shot like we did back in the day. As long as Jimmy & Herro are on this team were not getting either one of them. We don't have the assets to acquire Tatum or Mitchell. We are so behind on the ball on Assets from all the big three days, Dragic Acquisition, Jimmy Acquisition, now Terry Acquisition, that every other team will always outbid us until we can do a full reset and get back to owning every first round pick we have, and second round pick again. Our hope is that JJJ or Jovic turn into something special to tie the Bam build into something good. The Jimmy era is coming to an end, and Tyler prob won't be on the team next year but I wonder what theyll get for him, and its not going to be either one of those two premier scorers.
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Post#1730 » by Wiltside » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:47 pm

In b4 Mitchell ends up in Boston, traded for Brown, and Bam bails on us and signs in Boston.

RIley would literally kill somebody.
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Post#1731 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:13 pm

Wiltside wrote:In b4 Mitchell ends up in Boston, traded for Brown, and Bam bails on us and signs in Boston.

RIley would literally kill somebody.

This was partially in jest im sure but if Boston flames out again I could see them making that kind of move and doubt we could top it, cant see Bam ever going there. I’m in the now though with this group, I get the fantasy stuff is part of basketball I just dont know how Heat fans skip over the rest of Jimmys career for these pie in the sky scenarios every day.
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Post#1732 » by Wiltside » Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:19 pm

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Wiltside wrote:In b4 Mitchell ends up in Boston, traded for Brown, and Bam bails on us and signs in Boston.

RIley would literally kill somebody.

This was partially in jest im sure but if Boston flames out again I could see them making that kind of move and doubt we could top it, cant see Bam ever going there. I’m in the now though with this group, I get the fantasy stuff is part of basketball I just dont know how Heat fans skip over the rest of Jimmys career for these pie in the sky scenarios every day.


I guess it's all part of being a fan. I remember when we were lining up contracts for the fantasy of 2010, never in our wildest dreams did we actually think we'd keep Wade and land both CB and LeBron. Mind you, the NBA is a VERY different league than it was back then. Feels like Free Agency moves never happen - players take the money from their existing teams as that's a better contract, and then force their way out to their desired destination while the other team recoups a horde of picks. Not sure we've totally adjusted to this new reality and the way deals are done.

I'm happy to roll on the Jimmy timeline up until his contract expires though. As I said earlier, I'd view it as a 2-3 year window and then look at trying to steal one of the big dogs like Luka.
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Please start Duncan, him and Bam are the 4th most efficient action lol
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Post#1736 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:36 am

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Please start Duncan, him and Bam are the 4th most efficient action lol

He doesn't have to start him, just looking at this, its only been done 99 times compared to teams where their actions are 400+

I think firstly the action needs to be enforced to be done, when their both on the floor, and you can bring him in early by sitting Herro early, so you can stagger Herro with the bench guys. This makes everyone happy and doesn't force any hands on sending a player to the bench. As long as Herro & Jimmy are both on this team, thats the starting SG/SF combination. those are the only slots he will play, and no Jimmy isn't going to be playing PF to let Robinson feel comfortable.
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Post#1737 » by Daffy » Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:39 pm

I'm seeing post about fans feeling entitled that their team should be championship winners or saying the all in mentality isn't right and you should just enjoy competitive games. No **** that.

What is players had that mind set after getting drafted. "Oh well I finally got drafted. I'm making enough money to take care of myself and my family. I just need to play and get paid thats all. If we win we win. If we lose oh well." Yall would hate a player if they came out and said that. You know why some players still play so hard after getting paid and why some teams consistent try to go all in? Because they're trying to accomplish that goal. Be the best they can be at the end of the season by winning the ring. It's a competitive sport and for some fans who never made it to the league or are just naturally competitive that's why we want to win.

Teams that have been terrible for 20 years keep trying to win the lottery. Why? So they can hopefully land the best prospects so that they can.....win. If as a fan you're okay with just being good and competitive and not winning then that's good for you but not everyone can relate to that mindset. I'm a Chargers fan in NFL and we haven't won **** and it's so disappointing. It's night and day between being a Heat Fan on one side and a Charger fan on the next. You don't know how bad I want a championship as a Charger fan. You call it an ego boost. No it's called a payoff for being a fan who doesn't collect a check from the league like the players. As a fan I don't give a **** about the owner paying the tax. That's their issue. Not ours. As fans we lose our jobs we probably have to sleep on the street. These owners can afford to pay the afford or if they can't then they'll address it. One of the reasons you'll never ever see me coming up with trade scenarios on how to save an owner money. They make so much money off of us as fans buying merchandise or watching. I'd be silly to be concerned about their pockets. They're in a rich man's game.

So yes as a fan it's always championship or bust because that's the ultimate goal. You can enjoy the games and development throughout the season but to pretend like winning a ring isn't the goal or doesn't matter is ridiculous.
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Post#1738 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:03 pm

Daffy wrote:I'm seeing post about fans feeling entitled that their team should be championship winners or saying the all in mentality isn't right and you should just enjoy competitive games. No **** that.



I think you read what you wanted to read Daffy. No one said being all in isn't the right mentality. But what fans often do is equate the team didn't acquire the specific players I wanted with the team is not all in, and that's just not true.
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Please start Duncan, him and Bam are the 4th most efficient action lol

He doesn't have to start him, just looking at this, its only been done 99 times compared to teams where their actions are 400+

I think firstly the action needs to be enforced to be done, when their both on the floor, and you can bring him in early by sitting Herro early, so you can stagger Herro with the bench guys. This makes everyone happy and doesn't force any hands on sending a player to the bench. As long as Herro & Jimmy are both on this team, thats the starting SG/SF combination. those are the only slots he will play, and no Jimmy isn't going to be playing PF to let Robinson feel comfortable.


We trying to win championships or make Herro happy? Duncan is the better fit and damn near everything backs that being the case. We’ll see what happens but this team won’t reach its full potential unless Duncans starting, like we saw with the lesser player in Strus last year
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Please start Duncan, him and Bam are the 4th most efficient action lol

He doesn't have to start him, just looking at this, its only been done 99 times compared to teams where their actions are 400+

I think firstly the action needs to be enforced to be done, when their both on the floor, and you can bring him in early by sitting Herro early, so you can stagger Herro with the bench guys. This makes everyone happy and doesn't force any hands on sending a player to the bench. As long as Herro & Jimmy are both on this team, thats the starting SG/SF combination. those are the only slots he will play, and no Jimmy isn't going to be playing PF to let Robinson feel comfortable.


We trying to win championships or make Herro happy? Duncan is the better fit and damn near everything backs that being the case. We’ll see what happens but this team won’t reach its full potential unless Duncans starting, like we saw with the lesser player in Strus last year


I agree with Duncan next to Bam and move Herro to the bench. Miami FO will always run the team like a top tier organization. A top tier organization won't risk losing value on a Herro to gain 2-4 more wins in the regular season, which is what that may equate to. They need to balance, and continue show casing Herro as our main core player and not a bench 6th man getting paid like a starter. They will weigh the value of doing one or the other, regardless of how that goes, what happens should explain what they think is more beneficial in the long run vs the short gain.

I think the problem most of us have is were looking at this team with the eyes of a fan, and picking all the right things that are available and saying why the Fck are you not doing it and if your not then you guys are idiots.

In their eyes their doing exactly as planned, and playing a game of chess balancing 100 things that in the long run outweigh any short term gain were focused on. Lately that's the only way I have been able to explain decisions, by taking a step back and thinking about the repercussions of having gone all in or perhaps going just a tad harder, and then going oh if that still doesn't work out then were worse off down the line.

Just think about this for a second, this team with all their flaws their are things that standout analytically you an probably put them on a list of top ten things that affect Miami. Duncan starting over Herro would probably be somewhere in the top three of things that could tilt the team in a better direction. yet of all of the fixes, and changes to date not one has resulted in this which tells you that doing the very thing you want is not in their cards right now.

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