2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division

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2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#1 » by NYG » Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:25 am

I have a few questions, both generally and some per team...

Generally...

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Celtics

Jaylen Brown $49,350,000
Jayson Tatum $34,848,340
Kristaps Porzingis $29,268,293
Derrick White $19,571,429
Al Horford $9,500,000
Payton Pritchard $6,696,429
Jaden Springer $4,018,363
Oshae Brissett $2,463,946
Sam Hauser $2,092,344
30th Overall Pick $2,519,400
Jrue Holiday Cap Hold $49,980,000

Total Salary $210,308,544
Cap Space -$69,477,368
Tax Space -$37,708,544
1st Apron Space -$30,708,544
2nd Apron Space -$20,208,544
Cap Holds $1,168,824

1. What will Jrue re-sign for?
2. Would they pay into the second apron for this team?


Nets

Ben Simmons $40,338,144
Cameron Johnson $23,625,000
Mikal Bridges $23,300,000
Dorian Finney-Smith $14,924,167
Dennis Schroder $13,025,250
Cameron Thomas $4,041,249
Day'Ron Sharpe $3,989,122
Noah Clowney $3,244,080
Dariq Whitehead $3,114,240
Keita Bates-Diop $2,654,644
Nicolas Claxton Cap Hold $16,625,000

Total Salary $148,880,896
Cap Space -$8,049,720
Tax Space $23,719,104
1st Apron Space $30,719,104
2nd Apron Space $41,219,104
Cap Holds $1,168,824

Nets Questions
1. What will Claxton re-sign for?

Knicks

Julius Randle $30,317,760
Jalen Brunson $24,960,001
Bojan Bogdanovic $19,032,850
Josh Hart $18,144,000
Mitchell Robinson $14,318,182
Donte DiVincenzo $11,445,000
Miles McBride $4,710,144
Jericho Sims $2,092,344
Isaiah Hartenstein Cap Hold $10,653,657
OG Anunoby Cap Hold $27,964,286
19th Overall Pick $3,499,800
21st Overall Pick $3,225,360

Total Salary $170,363,384
Cap Space -$28,363,384
Tax Space $2,236,616
1st Apron Space $9,236,616
2nd Apron Space $19,736,616
Cap Holds $0


Knicks Questions
1. What will OG Anunoby re-sign for?
2. What will Hartenstein re-sign for?

76ers

Joel Embiid $51,415,938
Paul Reed $7,723,000
Tyrese Maxey Cap Hold $13,031,760
20th Overall Pick $3,359,640

Total Salary $75,530,338
Cap Space $57,119,070
Tax Space $97,069,662
1st Apron Space $104,069,662
2nd Apron Space $114,569,662
Cap Holds $9,350,592

76ers Questions
1. Who will they pursue using their cap space?

Raptors

R.J. Barrett $25,794,643
Jakob Poeltl $19,500,000
Chris Boucher $10,810,000
Scottie Barnes $10,130,980
Gradey Dick $4,763,760
Jalen McDaniels $4,741,800
Ochai Agbaji $4,310,280
Immanuel Quickley Cap Hold $12,514,644
6th Overall Pick $7,563,960
17th Overall Pick $3,857,520

Total Salary $103,987,587
Cap Space $35,674,765
Tax Space $68,612,413
1st Apron Space $75,612,413
2nd Apron Space $86,112,413
Cap Holds $2,337,648

Raptors Questions
1. What will they use their cap space on?
2. How much with Quickley e-sign for?
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#2 » by wegotthabeet » Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:07 am

OG will re-sign in New York for 5/180. PO on the 5th year.

Hartenstein probably gets 4/72. Something like that.

Philadelphia uses their cap space + picks to trade for a third star. If not they make a run at Jrue and probably land DeRozan while keeping Harris.

Boston trades Brown.

Toronto probably uses their space on bench vets. Maybe they make an offer to a RFA like Patrick Williams.

Quickly re-signs for 4/110.

Have no idea what the Nets will do.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#3 » by BK_2020 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:35 pm

Jaylen Brown to OKC
Markkanen to Boston
Picks to Utah
salaries all around to make this legal

Why doesn't OKC take Markkanen instead? Because Jaylen is a better fit for them (Chet and lauri too similar in body-type).
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#4 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:51 pm

Celtics lock up Jrue Holiday for a slight discount next year at 3/$115 and move Horford & Pritchard to try to get under the 2nd apron.

The Nets re-sign Claxton for 4/$100. They finally choose a direction and either trade Bridges to Houston or acquire a star, which may or may not involve trading Bridges.

Knicks re-sign OG for 4/$150 after the Pistons drive up his price. Hartenstein signs for 4/$72. Burks signs for 2/$25. The Knicks think long and hard about Randle’s future with a max contract looming in summer 2025.

The 76ers sign Demar DeRozan for 3/$110 after a failed effort at signing Paul George. Tobias Harris re-signs for 4/$110. Maxey signs an extension that lives up to his name.

The Raptors sign Quickly to a 4/$120 deal and otherwise stand pat outside of a few free agency bets on young under performers
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#5 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:01 pm

There's going to be lot of tax dancing in the Atlantic.

The Nets will probably tread water again to reset the repeater tax unless a truly elite, youngish star becomes available. I've thought for a long time that Claxton is looking at about 4/$90mil, but there are a couple of teams now projected to have cap space that could try to overpay him on a front loaded deal. Ultimately, I expect him to be retained. Their biggest move of the offseason will be firing Vaughn and hopefully replacing him with a competent coach.

I don't know what Boston's appetite is for the tax. They'll pay it, but how much? You have to figure Jrue is looking at at least $30mil per on a multi-year deal else he opts in, and they risk losing him to Philly if they don't pay. They could proactively sell sky high on White a year before his big pay day is due.

After paying OG $30ish mil per, the Knicks likely find the tax hit on Hartenstein prohibitive & see him walk.

The 76ers would have been better off trading for a star at the deadline with their picks+expirings & then use Bird rights to retain Harris. Outside of Jrue, I don't think there's a better FA for them than Harris.

Toronto will try to poach RFAs or young FAs. If they fail in that endeavor, than they could be a deal facilitator & collect picks.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#6 » by brackdan70 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:34 pm

For the Celtics you are missing Jordan Walsh.
Cap hold for Xavier Tillman as they likely sign him long term.

I don’t expect much from the Cs. I bet they trade pick 30 for a couple seconds on draft night. Sign Jrue long term. Sign Tillman long term. Let Svi go elsewhere. Might add Queta and or Davison to the roster under cheap minimum deals. I could see them bringing back Kornet as well. He is a UFA and might get interest from others.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#7 » by oldncreaky » Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 pm

For Toronto, they have a decision on Bruce Brown and whether or not to exercise the Early Termination option on his contract before 6/29/24

If they keep Brown, they will have $103M before cap holds, and likely will just add one player using the space before doing IQ's rookie extension

If they terminate Brown, they'll be at $80M before cap holds, and then they could have a close-to-max slot available (especially if their pick ends up outside top 6 and is conveyed to SAS)
In a no-win argument, the first poster to Let It Go will at least retain some peace of mind
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#8 » by oldncreaky » Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:01 pm

In a no-win argument, the first poster to Let It Go will at least retain some peace of mind
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#9 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:05 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:There's going to be lot of tax dancing in the Atlantic.

The Nets will probably tread water again to reset the repeater tax unless a truly elite, youngish star becomes available. I've thought for a long time that Claxton is looking at about 4/$90mil, but there are a couple of teams now projected to have cap space that could try to overpay him on a front loaded deal. Ultimately, I expect him to be retained. Their biggest move of the offseason will be firing Vaughn and hopefully replacing him with a competent coach.

I don't know what Boston's appetite is for the tax. They'll pay it, but how much? You have to figure Jrue is looking at at least $30mil per on a multi-year deal else he opts in, and they risk losing him to Philly if they don't pay. They could proactively sell sky high on White a year before his big pay day is due.

After paying OG $30ish mil per, the Knicks likely find the tax hit on Hartenstein prohibitive & see him walk.

The 76ers would have been better off trading for a star at the deadline with their picks+expirings & then use Bird rights to retain Harris. Outside of Jrue, I don't think there's a better FA for them than Harris.

Toronto will try to poach RFAs or young FAs. If they fail in that endeavor, than they could be a deal facilitator & collect picks.


I think OG gets closer to $40 mill than $30.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#10 » by 165bows » Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:30 pm

brackdan70 wrote:For the Celtics you are missing Jordan Walsh.
Cap hold for Xavier Tillman as they likely sign him long term.

I don’t expect much from the Cs. I bet they trade pick 30 for a couple seconds on draft night. Sign Jrue long term. Sign Tillman long term. Let Svi go elsewhere. Might add Queta and or Davison to the roster under cheap minimum deals. I could see them bringing back Kornet as well. He is a UFA and might get interest from others.

Yeah this is all good from Brack as always.

Would expect very little movement, odd chance they make a huge move with Brown or revisit Pritchard+picks for Caruso. But they probably have all their guys in house and draft a second round guy who will get a two-way and pick up more future seconds.

Deeper bench big is a little thing to watch as that’s their three FAs outside Holiday who’s re-signing.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#11 » by the_process » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:23 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Celtics lock up Jrue Holiday for a slight discount next year at 3/$115 and move Horford & Pritchard to try to get under the 2nd apron.

The Nets re-sign Claxton for 4/$100. They finally choose a direction and either trade Bridges to Houston or acquire a star, which may or may not involve trading Bridges.

Knicks re-sign OG for 4/$150 after the Pistons drive up his price. Hartenstein signs for 4/$72. Burks signs for 2/$25. The Knicks think long and hard about Randle’s future with a max contract looming in summer 2025.

The 76ers sign Demar DeRozan for 3/$110 after a failed effort at signing Paul George. Tobias Harris re-signs for 4/$110. Maxey signs an extension that lives up to his name.

The Raptors sign Quickly to a 4/$120 deal and otherwise stand pat outside of a few free agency bets on young under performers


I don't see the Sixers doing that at all.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#12 » by BK_2020 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:13 pm

the_process wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Celtics lock up Jrue Holiday for a slight discount next year at 3/$115 and move Horford & Pritchard to try to get under the 2nd apron.

The Nets re-sign Claxton for 4/$100. They finally choose a direction and either trade Bridges to Houston or acquire a star, which may or may not involve trading Bridges.

Knicks re-sign OG for 4/$150 after the Pistons drive up his price. Hartenstein signs for 4/$72. Burks signs for 2/$25. The Knicks think long and hard about Randle’s future with a max contract looming in summer 2025.

The 76ers sign Demar DeRozan for 3/$110 after a failed effort at signing Paul George. Tobias Harris re-signs for 4/$110. Maxey signs an extension that lives up to his name.

The Raptors sign Quickly to a 4/$120 deal and otherwise stand pat outside of a few free agency bets on young under performers


I don't see the Sixers doing that at all.

They can't really punt another year of Embiid's limited prime, though.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#13 » by JKiddy » Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:18 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:There's going to be lot of tax dancing in the Atlantic.

The Nets will probably tread water again to reset the repeater tax unless a truly elite, youngish star becomes available. I've thought for a long time that Claxton is looking at about 4/$90mil, but there are a couple of teams now projected to have cap space that could try to overpay him on a front loaded deal. Ultimately, I expect him to be retained. Their biggest move of the offseason will be firing Vaughn and hopefully replacing him with a competent coach.

I don't know what Boston's appetite is for the tax. They'll pay it, but how much? You have to figure Jrue is looking at at least $30mil per on a multi-year deal else he opts in, and they risk losing him to Philly if they don't pay. They could proactively sell sky high on White a year before his big pay day is due.

After paying OG $30ish mil per, the Knicks likely find the tax hit on Hartenstein prohibitive & see him walk.

The 76ers would have been better off trading for a star at the deadline with their picks+expirings & then use Bird rights to retain Harris. Outside of Jrue, I don't think there's a better FA for them than Harris.

Toronto will try to poach RFAs or young FAs. If they fail in that endeavor, than they could be a deal facilitator & collect picks.


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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#14 » by NYG » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:27 pm

brackdan70 wrote:For the Celtics you are missing Jordan Walsh.
Cap hold for Xavier Tillman as they likely sign him long term.

I don’t expect much from the Cs. I bet they trade pick 30 for a couple seconds on draft night. Sign Jrue long term. Sign Tillman long term. Let Svi go elsewhere. Might add Queta and or Davison to the roster under cheap minimum deals. I could see them bringing back Kornet as well. He is a UFA and might get interest from others.


I had them waiving Walsh, but I'll add him and the Tillman cap hold. What does Tillman re-sign for?
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#15 » by NYG » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:28 pm

the_process wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Celtics lock up Jrue Holiday for a slight discount next year at 3/$115 and move Horford & Pritchard to try to get under the 2nd apron.

The Nets re-sign Claxton for 4/$100. They finally choose a direction and either trade Bridges to Houston or acquire a star, which may or may not involve trading Bridges.

Knicks re-sign OG for 4/$150 after the Pistons drive up his price. Hartenstein signs for 4/$72. Burks signs for 2/$25. The Knicks think long and hard about Randle’s future with a max contract looming in summer 2025.

The 76ers sign Demar DeRozan for 3/$110 after a failed effort at signing Paul George. Tobias Harris re-signs for 4/$110. Maxey signs an extension that lives up to his name.

The Raptors sign Quickly to a 4/$120 deal and otherwise stand pat outside of a few free agency bets on young under performers


I don't see the Sixers doing that at all.


How do you have Philly spending their space?
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#16 » by brackdan70 » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:32 pm

NYG wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:For the Celtics you are missing Jordan Walsh.
Cap hold for Xavier Tillman as they likely sign him long term.

I don’t expect much from the Cs. I bet they trade pick 30 for a couple seconds on draft night. Sign Jrue long term. Sign Tillman long term. Let Svi go elsewhere. Might add Queta and or Davison to the roster under cheap minimum deals. I could see them bringing back Kornet as well. He is a UFA and might get interest from others.


I had them waiving Walsh, but I'll add him and the Tillman cap hold. What does Tillman re-sign for?

They won’t waive Walsh…I’d be shocked if they did. Huge upside and he is on a league minimum contract. I’m not sure on Tillman. Maybe he signs for a 4/30 or something like that? Similar to Payton Pritchard money?
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#17 » by 165bows » Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:20 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
NYG wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:For the Celtics you are missing Jordan Walsh.
Cap hold for Xavier Tillman as they likely sign him long term.

I don’t expect much from the Cs. I bet they trade pick 30 for a couple seconds on draft night. Sign Jrue long term. Sign Tillman long term. Let Svi go elsewhere. Might add Queta and or Davison to the roster under cheap minimum deals. I could see them bringing back Kornet as well. He is a UFA and might get interest from others.


I had them waiving Walsh, but I'll add him and the Tillman cap hold. What does Tillman re-sign for?

They won’t waive Walsh…I’d be shocked if they did. Huge upside and he is on a league minimum contract. I’m not sure on Tillman. Maybe he signs for a 4/30 or something like that? Similar to Payton Pritchard money?

Right Walsh was a 37th pick whose big knock was his shooting. He’s looking like a chance to not be a non-shooter so if anything he’s upped his value. Pritchard money seems right on imo for Tillman.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#18 » by the_process » Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:47 am

BK_2020 wrote:
the_process wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Celtics lock up Jrue Holiday for a slight discount next year at 3/$115 and move Horford & Pritchard to try to get under the 2nd apron.

The Nets re-sign Claxton for 4/$100. They finally choose a direction and either trade Bridges to Houston or acquire a star, which may or may not involve trading Bridges.

Knicks re-sign OG for 4/$150 after the Pistons drive up his price. Hartenstein signs for 4/$72. Burks signs for 2/$25. The Knicks think long and hard about Randle’s future with a max contract looming in summer 2025.

The 76ers sign Demar DeRozan for 3/$110 after a failed effort at signing Paul George. Tobias Harris re-signs for 4/$110. Maxey signs an extension that lives up to his name.

The Raptors sign Quickly to a 4/$120 deal and otherwise stand pat outside of a few free agency bets on young under performers


I don't see the Sixers doing that at all.


They can't really punt another year of Embiid's limited prime, though.


Signing DeRozan and Harris to 3 and 4 year deals is punting the rest of Embiid's prime. It's a waste of time.

The Sixers will hold out for the big deal. I think it will be a trade, but no idea who. Morey has gambled twice, and he will do it again.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#19 » by drchaos » Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:29 pm

After the Nets resign Claxton in the $20-25 mil per year range it wouldn't surprise me if they move Sharpe or Clowney.
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Re: 2024 Off-Season: Atlantic Division 

Post#20 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:26 am

drchaos wrote:After the Nets resign Claxton in the $20-25 mil per year range it wouldn't surprise me if they move Sharpe or Clowney.

Why? Sharpe is cheap depth while on his rookie deal, and Clowney is more of a PF who can play next to either.

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