Bronny James- The Biggest Wildcard of the 2024 Off-Season

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What team will Bronny be on next season?

USC Trojans
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Philadelphia 76ers
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New York Knicks
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2%
Los Angeles Lakers
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Miami Heat
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Re: Bronny James- The Biggest Wildcard of the 2024 Off-Season 

Post#61 » by zimpy27 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:59 am

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zimpy27 wrote:

I think you have to read what I was replying to.

The original idea was to pick Bronny to hold him ransom, not because they wanted to select him to play for their team.


I know, I am saying Lebron asked a team to draft Bronny in the first round. He held himself out as the reward. Why is it wrong to try and collect on the offer. Lebron could rescind it at any time before the draft. Teams should want to accept and collect. Sacrificing a non lottery first (or even late lottery first,) to get Lebron for a year is worth it. If Lebron then doesn’t honor his promise he doesn’t get to play with Bronny and Bronny gets buried in the G until he is dumped into free agency. If the team sacrifices the pick they should get what was offered, a cheap year of Lebron.


I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.
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Re: Bronny James- The Biggest Wildcard of the 2024 Off-Season 

Post#62 » by wegotthabeet » Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:19 am

zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
winforlose wrote:
I know, I am saying Lebron asked a team to draft Bronny in the first round. He held himself out as the reward. Why is it wrong to try and collect on the offer. Lebron could rescind it at any time before the draft. Teams should want to accept and collect. Sacrificing a non lottery first (or even late lottery first,) to get Lebron for a year is worth it. If Lebron then doesn’t honor his promise he doesn’t get to play with Bronny and Bronny gets buried in the G until he is dumped into free agency. If the team sacrifices the pick they should get what was offered, a cheap year of Lebron.


I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


Pretty sure he would have to re-enter the draft a 2nd time. Do that twice and then he can become a free agent.
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Post#63 » by docholliday99 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:01 am

wegotthabeet wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


Pretty sure he would have to re-enter the draft a 2nd time. Do that twice and then he can become a free agent.


yes, I think only if he's not drafted a second time or he would have to wait another year? Legalese is not my thing...
10.4 Negotiating Rights to Draft Rookies.

A Team that drafts a player shall, during the period from the date of such NBA Draft (hereinafter, the “Initial Draft”) to the date of the next Draft (hereinafter, the “Subsequent Draft”), be the only Team with which such player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract, provided that, (i) on or before the July 15 immediately following the Initial Draft (for a First Round Pick), (ii) in the two (2) weeks before the September 5 immediately following the Initial Draft (for a Second Round Pick selected in an NBA Draft prior to the 2024 NBA Draft), or (iii) on or before the August 5 immediately following the Initial Draft (for a Second Round Pick selected in the 2024 NBA Draft or any subsequent NBA Draft), such Team has made a Required Tender to such player. If a Team has made a Required Tender to such a player and the player has not signed a Player Contract within the period between the Initial Draft and the Subsequent Draft, the Team that drafted the player shall lose its exclusive right to negotiate with the player and the player will then be eligible for selection in the Subsequent Draft.

A Team that, in the Subsequent Draft, drafts a player who (i) was drafted in the Initial Draft, (ii) received a Required Tender from the Team that drafted him in the Initial Draft, and (iii) did not sign a Player Contract with such first Team prior to the Subsequent Draft, shall, during the period from the date of the Subsequent Draft to the date of the next NBA Draft, be the only Team with which such player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract, provided such Team has made a Required Tender to such player by the applicable date specified in Section 4(a) above. If such player has not signed a Player Contract within the period between the Subsequent Draft and the next NBA Draft with the Team that drafted him in the Subsequent Draft, that Team shall lose its exclusive right, which it obtained in the Subsequent Draft, to negotiate with the player, and the player will become a Rookie Free Agent as of the date of the next NBA Draft.

If a player is drafted in an Initial Draft and (i) receives a Required Tender, (ii) does not sign a Player Contract with a Team prior to the Subsequent Draft, and (iii) is not drafted by any Team in such Subsequent Draft, the player will become a Rookie Free Agent immediately upon the conclusion of the Subsequent Draft.

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I'd have to believe that if the drafting team's intention is to corral daddy as part of the reasoning to draft Bronny, that there would be a lot of discussions behind the scenes. With the "weak" 2024 draft, what are the odds NoP defers taking the Lakers pick this year to next year? Lots of really good players in 2025...
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Re: Bronny James- The Biggest Wildcard of the 2024 Off-Season 

Post#64 » by winforlose » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:35 am

zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
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I know, I am saying Lebron asked a team to draft Bronny in the first round. He held himself out as the reward. Why is it wrong to try and collect on the offer. Lebron could rescind it at any time before the draft. Teams should want to accept and collect. Sacrificing a non lottery first (or even late lottery first,) to get Lebron for a year is worth it. If Lebron then doesn’t honor his promise he doesn’t get to play with Bronny and Bronny gets buried in the G until he is dumped into free agency. If the team sacrifices the pick they should get what was offered, a cheap year of Lebron.


I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


I doubt it. Nothing kills a career faster than long stretches without competitive play or development. Two down years would put a nail in Bronny’s career before it even starts.
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Post#65 » by zimpy27 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:56 am

wegotthabeet wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:
I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


Pretty sure he would have to re-enter the draft a 2nd time. Do that twice and then he can become a free agent.


Yeah that's right. But after failing to sign first contract I think teams would realize "oh wait, this guy doesn't need the money, we can't use that to expect a signature" he can just sit this out and develop his game with the g league or in private.
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Post#66 » by zimpy27 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:56 am

winforlose wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


I doubt it. Nothing kills a career faster than long stretches without competitive play or development. Two down years would put a nail in Bronny’s career before it even starts.



It's never going to happen but I would gladly bet you on it.
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Post#67 » by winforlose » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:01 am

zimpy27 wrote:
winforlose wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


I doubt it. Nothing kills a career faster than long stretches without competitive play or development. Two down years would put a nail in Bronny’s career before it even starts.



It's never going to happen but I would gladly bet you on it.


I don’t think it will happen either.
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Post#68 » by wegotthabeet » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:02 am

zimpy27 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


Pretty sure he would have to re-enter the draft a 2nd time. Do that twice and then he can become a free agent.


Yeah that's right. But after failing to sign first contract I think teams would realize "oh wait, this guy doesn't need the money, we can't use that to expect a signature" he can just sit this out and develop his game with the g league or in private.


Sure. Would be more productive to just tell teams not to draft him as no team really wants to just burn a first round pick for nothing. If he goes undrafted then he just becomes a free agent immediately saving everyone the time and energy of wasting a year.
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Re: Bronny James- The Biggest Wildcard of the 2024 Off-Season 

Post#69 » by jbk1234 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:01 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
winforlose wrote:
I know, I am saying Lebron asked a team to draft Bronny in the first round. He held himself out as the reward. Why is it wrong to try and collect on the offer. Lebron could rescind it at any time before the draft. Teams should want to accept and collect. Sacrificing a non lottery first (or even late lottery first,) to get Lebron for a year is worth it. If Lebron then doesn’t honor his promise he doesn’t get to play with Bronny and Bronny gets buried in the G until he is dumped into free agency. If the team sacrifices the pick they should get what was offered, a cheap year of Lebron.


I think this probably falls apart with the cheap year of LBJ. Bronny isn't an NBA player right now. Is he opting out of $50M to play with Bronny in garbage time?


Far more likely that Bronny just doesn't sign the contract and waits out a year of the draft rights.then he can sign wherever he wants.


That seems far less likely than staying in college another year. He's not, presently, an NBA player. He needs to be on the court developing if he wants to play meaningful minutes as a pro. If he sits out a year, there's no guarantee he ever gets drafted. His dad could lose another step.
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Re: Bronny James- The Biggest Wildcard of the 2024 Off-Season 

Post#70 » by shrink » Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:04 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Pretty sure he would have to re-enter the draft a 2nd time. Do that twice and then he can become a free agent.


Yeah that's right. But after failing to sign first contract I think teams would realize "oh wait, this guy doesn't need the money, we can't use that to expect a signature" he can just sit this out and develop his game with the g league or in private.


Sure. Would be more productive to just tell teams not to draft him as no team really wants to just burn a first round pick for nothing. If he goes undrafted then he just becomes a free agent immediately saving everyone the time and energy of wasting a year.

This would require all 29 other GMs (well, at least the ones with first or second round picks), to determine that he has no value whatsoever to LeBron and the Lakers, and they would not trade anything more than the pick they used.

And do it for two seasons.

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