(WOJ) Conley extends with Minnesota (2/21)

[winforlose]

I don't think they trade KAT for non-winning pieces.

Honestly I am one of the biggest break KAT’s contract into 2 or 3 guys. But the value back would need to be big. KAT is having a monster year. If this is prime KAT I think he is gonna open a lot of eyes come playoff time.

Well his first 3 playoffs has seen him take a dip in 7 PER from RS to playoffs.. So he'd be bucking a strong trend.

Minny are topping the West and are 23-to-1 on bet odds because no one believes in KAT and Gobert in the playoffs.

His defense is scary good this year. His shooting has leveled up. I think the emergence of Ant and the change in defensive culture brought by Rudy is gonna allow Karl to play better basketball. I am basing this off the fact that he already is.

[Wolveswin]

Someone on the Wolves board pointed out that trading KAT would damage or outright kill the new arena plans the new ownership has. They need a winning team spending like a contender to get public funding for a new arena. I think this core will run it back.

I don't think they trade KAT for non-winning pieces.

Honestly I am one of the biggest break KAT’s contract into 2 or 3 guys. But the value back would need to be big. KAT is having a monster year. If this is prime KAT I think he is gonna open a lot of eyes come playoff time.

Ugh. Trading KAT doesn’t mean it is for ‘non-winning’ pieces. Just different pieces. If this Wolves roster can’t survive a KAT trade, it is not that good. And it is good. KAT isn’t Giannis or Jokic. What he is, we all know. What he means in trade is TBD. Good thing his value has skyrocketed and his market of bidders tremendously increased.

KAT can be traded and team can actually get better now (harder to do but doable) and much better in future.

Wolves org is in amazing position. Keep KAT and keep winning - but pay lots of money to keep same roster. Or trade the very valuable KAT - keep winning - but spend less money. Second scenario comes with more risk (but less money) because it involves trading on open market.

[winforlose]

I don't think they trade KAT for non-winning pieces.

Honestly I am one of the biggest break KAT’s contract into 2 or 3 guys. But the value back would need to be big. KAT is having a monster year. If this is prime KAT I think he is gonna open a lot of eyes come playoff time.

Ugh. Trading KAT doesn’t mean it is for ‘non-winning’ pieces. Just different pieces. If this Wolves roster can’t survive a KAT trade, it is not that good. And it is good. KAT isn’t Giannis or Jokic. What he is, we all know. What he means in trade is TBD. Good thing his value has skyrocketed and his market of bidders tremendously increased.

KAT can be traded and team can actually get better now (harder to do but doable) and much better in future.

Wolves org is in amazing position. Keep KAT and keep winning - but pay lots of money to keep same roster. Or trade the very valuable KAT - keep winning - but spend less money. Second scenario comes with more risk (but less money) because it involves trading on open market.

I still see KAT to the Hawks for Murray, Johnson and one more piece. Okongwu would be my preference. Use Anderson as filler with Moore and now both teams are better. Trae with KAT and Bufkin if he develops could be interesting. May not happen, but that is the value I have KAT commanding with his current play plus 4 years of team control.

[zimpy27]

Honestly I am one of the biggest break KAT’s contract into 2 or 3 guys. But the value back would need to be big. KAT is having a monster year. If this is prime KAT I think he is gonna open a lot of eyes come playoff time.

Ugh. Trading KAT doesn’t mean it is for ‘non-winning’ pieces. Just different pieces. If this Wolves roster can’t survive a KAT trade, it is not that good. And it is good. KAT isn’t Giannis or Jokic. What he is, we all know. What he means in trade is TBD. Good thing his value has skyrocketed and his market of bidders tremendously increased.

KAT can be traded and team can actually get better now (harder to do but doable) and much better in future.

Wolves org is in amazing position. Keep KAT and keep winning - but pay lots of money to keep same roster. Or trade the very valuable KAT - keep winning - but spend less money. Second scenario comes with more risk (but less money) because it involves trading on open market.

I still see KAT to the Hawks for Murray, Johnson and one more piece. Okongwu would be my preference. Use Anderson as filler with Moore and now both teams are better. Trae with KAT and Bufkin if he develops could be interesting. May not happen, but that is the value I have KAT commanding with his current play plus 4 years of team control.

Johnson going nowhere.

But yeah Murray and Okongwu. Or Murray and Bogdan.

[winforlose]

Ugh. Trading KAT doesn’t mean it is for ‘non-winning’ pieces. Just different pieces. If this Wolves roster can’t survive a KAT trade, it is not that good. And it is good. KAT isn’t Giannis or Jokic. What he is, we all know. What he means in trade is TBD. Good thing his value has skyrocketed and his market of bidders tremendously increased.

KAT can be traded and team can actually get better now (harder to do but doable) and much better in future.

Wolves org is in amazing position. Keep KAT and keep winning - but pay lots of money to keep same roster. Or trade the very valuable KAT - keep winning - but spend less money. Second scenario comes with more risk (but less money) because it involves trading on open market.

I still see KAT to the Hawks for Murray, Johnson and one more piece. Okongwu would be my preference. Use Anderson as filler with Moore and now both teams are better. Trae with KAT and Bufkin if he develops could be interesting. May not happen, but that is the value I have KAT commanding with his current play plus 4 years of team control.

Johnson going nowhere.

But yeah Murray and Okongwu. Or Murray and Bogdan.

Sabonis got Hali, KAT is a league above Sabonis right now. I am sorry but Sabonis just cannot score at 3 levels or play the SF for long stretches. Karl’s also better at walling up. Any trade for Karl is gonna be a young stud plus a win now PG.

[zimpy27]

I still see KAT to the Hawks for Murray, Johnson and one more piece. Okongwu would be my preference. Use Anderson as filler with Moore and now both teams are better. Trae with KAT and Bufkin if he develops could be interesting. May not happen, but that is the value I have KAT commanding with his current play plus 4 years of team control.

Johnson going nowhere.

But yeah Murray and Okongwu. Or Murray and Bogdan.

Sabonis got Hali, KAT is a league above Sabonis right now. I am sorry but Sabonis just cannot score at 3 levels or play the SF for long stretches. Karl’s also better at walling up. Any trade for Karl is gonna be a young stud plus a win now PG.

Okongwu is the young dude you get.

KAT at $50m is overpaid, he's a good RS player with poor playoff history.

[Wolveswin]

I still see KAT to the Hawks for Murray, Johnson and one more piece. Okongwu would be my preference. Use Anderson as filler with Moore and now both teams are better. Trae with KAT and Bufkin if he develops could be interesting. May not happen, but that is the value I have KAT commanding with his current play plus 4 years of team control.

Johnson going nowhere.

But yeah Murray and Okongwu. Or Murray and Bogdan.

Sabonis got Hali, KAT is a league above Sabonis right now. I am sorry but Sabonis just cannot score at 3 levels or play the SF for long stretches. Karl’s also better at walling up. Any trade for Karl is gonna be a young stud plus a win now PG.

Murray+ is a good get.
Garland
Ball (Towns to 3rd team - assets to Hornets)
Cade+
Suggs/WCJ+
Maxey (not likely because of 76ers situation)

Ideal sending Towns to East. Nets can send assets as 3rd team as can Knicks.

[zimpy27]

Johnson going nowhere.

But yeah Murray and Okongwu. Or Murray and Bogdan.

Sabonis got Hali, KAT is a league above Sabonis right now. I am sorry but Sabonis just cannot score at 3 levels or play the SF for long stretches. Karl’s also better at walling up. Any trade for Karl is gonna be a young stud plus a win now PG.

Murray+ is a good get.
Garland
Ball (Towns to 3rd team - assets to Hornets)
Cade+
Suggs/WCJ+
Maxey (not likely because of 76ers situation)

Ideal sending Towns to East. Nets can send assets as 3rd team as can Knicks.

Garland is possible if Cavs extend Mitchell but they probably want Naz+KAT for Garland+Allen

[Wolveswin]

Sabonis got Hali, KAT is a league above Sabonis right now. I am sorry but Sabonis just cannot score at 3 levels or play the SF for long stretches. Karl’s also better at walling up. Any trade for Karl is gonna be a young stud plus a win now PG.

Murray+ is a good get.
Garland
Ball (Towns to 3rd team - assets to Hornets)
Cade+
Suggs/WCJ+
Maxey (not likely because of 76ers situation)

Ideal sending Towns to East. Nets can send assets as 3rd team as can Knicks.

Garland is possible if Cavs extend Mitchell but they probably want Naz+KAT for Garland+Allen

Teams sending Towns West:
Rockets: Amen/Jabari/Adams (Wolves need to add)
Griz: Bane+ to 3rd team (Cavs for Garland?)
Pels: Daniels/Murphy+
Lakers: Reaves/Rui+

Towns works on OKC and Warriors but don’t want to make either juggernaut. And kind of weird one is to Suns with Buddy Booker for KD (KD to 3rd team).

[zimpy27]

Murray+ is a good get.
Garland
Ball (Towns to 3rd team - assets to Hornets)
Cade+
Suggs/WCJ+
Maxey (not likely because of 76ers situation)

Ideal sending Towns to East. Nets can send assets as 3rd team as can Knicks.

Garland is possible if Cavs extend Mitchell but they probably want Naz+KAT for Garland+Allen

Teams sending Towns West:
Rockets: Amen/Jabari/Adams (Wolves need to add)
Griz: Bane+ to 3rd team (Cavs for Garland?)
Pels: Daniels/Murphy+
Lakers: Reaves/Rui+

Towns works on OKC and Warriors but don’t want to make either juggernaut. And kind of weird one is to Suns with Buddy Booker for KD (KD to 3rd team).

Yeah rockets trade and Pels trade work.

Lakers would only do that if LeBron leaves, they couldn't afford 3 x 35% guys

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One will make over $40 million more than the other next season...

Feels very…

[winforlose]

Johnson going nowhere.

But yeah Murray and Okongwu. Or Murray and Bogdan.

Sabonis got Hali, KAT is a league above Sabonis right now. I am sorry but Sabonis just cannot score at 3 levels or play the SF for long stretches. Karl’s also better at walling up. Any trade for Karl is gonna be a young stud plus a win now PG.

Okongwu is the young dude you get.

KAT at $50m is overpaid, he's a good RS player with poor playoff history.

Okongwu is a role player, not a potential All Star. Jalen Johnson is the only young blue chip they have. There is no team that will trade them a KAT level player without him.

[SkyHook]

Wonderful for Mike and for the Wolves, less so for the Minnesota picks/swaps owned by Utah.

[winforlose]

:wink: Wonderful for Mike and for the Wolves, less so for the Minnesota picks/swaps owned by Utah.

Utah bet against Mike’s age. They sent us a 35 (soon to be 36) Mike, and got a 27 year old Dlo out. They didn’t count on Mike finding the fountain of youth and playing like he is 26 again.

[Klomp]

Wonderful for Mike and for the Wolves, less so for the Minnesota picks/swaps owned by Utah.

That's actually a great point. I think this basically locks in that this core group's "window" will probably go through the 2025-26 season, as Conley's new deal lines up with the $46 million player option for Gobert. So regarding the picks, the 2025 pick should be back half of the round and the 2026 pick swap would seem unlikely as well given what we know today.

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Why is there a trade restriction?

[jayjaysee]

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Why is there a trade restriction?

5% is limit for trade and extend, so it would be held to that 6 month restriction.

While I get having no plans of trading him, I’d think it would’ve been better to push dollars around to keep him eligible to be traded at the draft just in case.. some kind of blow up between Ant and Conley could happen (not really) Or maybe it’s Rudy and Ant and they could’ve packaged Conley/Rudy as those two should finish their careers together..

But realistically, they aren’t trading him.

[shrink]

Thank you, jayjaysee!