Woj: Knicks trade for Alec Burks and Bojan Bogdanovich

[Jalen Bluntson]

Burks has played something like 6 mins across 3 games where it could be considered 'Deuce mins' because Brunson was off the floor and during that stretch Deuce has still gotten about 20mpg. There is no evidence that Thibs is benching Deuce for Burks just yet but I'm keeping my eyes on the situation as more players come back from injury to see how the rotation shakes out.

I believe DDV played 41 minutes in that Houston game and was taken out with over 5 minutes left in the game. DDV didn't return due to injury. Deuce only played 5 minutes in that game. With how shorthanded the team is it is a bit concerning that Deuce would log so few minutes. I'm not sure if that was a sign that Thibs may have been beginning to phase him out. Deuce's minutes went back up the next game but Thibs had no other options with Donte out unless he was willing to play Brunson and Burks 48 minutes each.

Obviously a small sample size but, so far we benched Deuce for Burks when we NEEDED them both to play. It was dumb. Thibs is dumb.

[cgf]

This trade did nothing to address our depth NEEDS.

ok

what were our needs

and were you prepared to give up first round picks for them? or Donte?

Personally, I'd much rather have given up one of our FRPs this spring than Grimes.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I like to call out the Knicks front office for their leakiness but there was 0 reporting that we had interest in Bojan. There was a bunch of speculation on how we’d made the money work to get Burks, like getting a third team involved and nothing about making the deal bigger Detroit side to make the money work. So they deserve a bunch of kudos for getting this done under the radar.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I like to call out the Knicks front office for their leakiness but there was 0 reporting that we had interest in Bojan. There was a bunch of speculation on how we’d made the money work to get Burks, like getting a third team involved and nothing about making the deal bigger Detroit side to make the money work. So they deserve a bunch of kudos for getting this done under the radar.

Katz mentioned him. He pretty much nailed the Knicks plan to trade Grimes and Fournier for help and a contract that expires next year

"The Detroit Pistons, owners of the NBA’s worst record and an 18-game losing streak, have expressed that it would take a large offer to acquire 20-point scorer Bojan Bogdanović, league sources said," Katz wrote. "The situation with Bogdanović is akin to the one with Jerami Grant from a couple of seasons ago, when Grant had two years remaining on his contract and Detroit held onto him despite its losing record. The Pistons eventually flipped Grant for a late first-round pick once the rangy forward was in the final year of his deal."

[cgf]

I like to call out the Knicks front office for their leakiness but there was 0 reporting that we had interest in Bojan. There was a bunch of speculation on how we’d made the money work to get Burks, like getting a third team involved and nothing about making the deal bigger Detroit side to make the money work. So they deserve a bunch of kudos for getting this done under the radar.

Katz mentioned him. He pretty much nailed the Knicks plan to trade Grimes and Fournier for help and a contract that expires next year

"The Detroit Pistons, owners of the NBA’s worst record and an 18-game losing streak, have expressed that it would take a large offer to acquire 20-point scorer Bojan Bogdanović, league sources said," Katz wrote. "The situation with Bogdanović is akin to the one with Jerami Grant from a couple of seasons ago, when Grant had two years remaining on his contract and Detroit held onto him despite its losing record. The Pistons eventually flipped Grant for a late first-round pick once the rangy forward was in the final year of his deal."

Katz is our best beat guy, but he also said in the week before the deadline that he no longer thought Grimes was on the table.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I like to call out the Knicks front office for their leakiness but there was 0 reporting that we had interest in Bojan. There was a bunch of speculation on how we’d made the money work to get Burks, like getting a third team involved and nothing about making the deal bigger Detroit side to make the money work. So they deserve a bunch of kudos for getting this done under the radar.

Katz mentioned him. He pretty much nailed the Knicks plan to trade Grimes and Fournier for help and a contract that expires next year

"The Detroit Pistons, owners of the NBA’s worst record and an 18-game losing streak, have expressed that it would take a large offer to acquire 20-point scorer Bojan Bogdanović, league sources said," Katz wrote. "The situation with Bogdanović is akin to the one with Jerami Grant from a couple of seasons ago, when Grant had two years remaining on his contract and Detroit held onto him despite its losing record. The Pistons eventually flipped Grant for a late first-round pick once the rangy forward was in the final year of his deal."

Katz is our best beat guy, but he also said in the week before the deadline that he no longer thought Grimes was on the table.

True, at the time I think that was a legit report too. Then the injuries piled up and even Grimes was hurt, and they liked the deal so reconsidered. Or maybe a negotiation ploy... Rumors were that Bojan was also not on the table.

[stuporman]

Burks has played something like 6 mins across 3 games where it could be considered 'Deuce mins' because Brunson was off the floor and during that stretch Deuce has still gotten about 20mpg. There is no evidence that Thibs is benching Deuce for Burks just yet but I'm keeping my eyes on the situation as more players come back from injury to see how the rotation shakes out.

I believe DDV played 41 minutes in that Houston game and was taken out with over 5 minutes left in the game. DDV didn't return due to injury. Deuce only played 5 minutes in that game. With how shorthanded the team is it is a bit concerning that Deuce would log so few minutes. I'm not sure if that was a sign that Thibs may have been beginning to phase him out. Deuce's minutes went back up the next game but Thibs had no other options with Donte out unless he was willing to play Brunson and Burks 48 minutes each.

Yes, Brunson was off the floor for 11mins and Deuce played 5...which is why I mentioned Burks took 6 mins from him...why quote me and appear to be contesting my assertion without actually doing so because you describe something that supports it.

We all will be watching how the minutes distribution play out the rest of the season and into the playoffs, but right now there's scarce evidence for the idea that Burks has taken Deuces mins, one game is a minimal sample size. When the rotation fills back out with healthy players, then we will see if it does.

Although, should we ignore how badly Deuce has played recently on both ends of the floor? He's been getting torched on defense, which is supposed to be his calling card, and his shot has gone cold when the knicks needed it most. This is the definition of a bench role player, inconsistent so can't be relied on.

Burks is consistent...consistently basura, yes, but for whatever twisted reason Thibs trusts him and he is less trusting of younger players so doesn't extend them as much leash. Sure, we hope Deuce grows into more consistency or that Thibs lets him play through bad play, yet neither provides what the Knicks need.

[stuporman]

Burks has played something like 6 mins across 3 games where it could be considered 'Deuce mins' because Brunson was off the floor and during that stretch Deuce has still gotten about 20mpg. There is no evidence that Thibs is benching Deuce for Burks just yet but I'm keeping my eyes on the situation as more players come back from injury to see how the rotation shakes out.

I believe DDV played 41 minutes in that Houston game and was taken out with over 5 minutes left in the game. DDV didn't return due to injury. Deuce only played 5 minutes in that game. With how shorthanded the team is it is a bit concerning that Deuce would log so few minutes. I'm not sure if that was a sign that Thibs may have been beginning to phase him out. Deuce's minutes went back up the next game but Thibs had no other options with Donte out unless he was willing to play Brunson and Burks 48 minutes each.

Obviously a small sample size but, so far we benched Deuce for Burks when we NEEDED them both to play. It was dumb. Thibs is dumb.

Yea...those 6 mins would have completely changed the 4 game losing streak

[Jalen Bluntson]

I believe DDV played 41 minutes in that Houston game and was taken out with over 5 minutes left in the game. DDV didn't return due to injury. Deuce only played 5 minutes in that game. With how shorthanded the team is it is a bit concerning that Deuce would log so few minutes. I'm not sure if that was a sign that Thibs may have been beginning to phase him out. Deuce's minutes went back up the next game but Thibs had no other options with Donte out unless he was willing to play Brunson and Burks 48 minutes each.

Obviously a small sample size but, so far we benched Deuce for Burks when we NEEDED them both to play. It was dumb. Thibs is dumb.

Yea...those 6 mins would have completely changed the 4 game losing streak

We didn't have them for four games. What is your point? He gave our regular backup PG the night off and ran a 7 man rotation. That's dumb. Thibs is dumb. It makes zero sense in the middle of a series of injuries taking our players out. IOW he was STILL running players into the ground after losing 6 players to injury in 3 weeks. Ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Burks SUCKS at PG. DDV went out with a hammy issue AFTER that. Great coaching.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I like to call out the Knicks front office for their leakiness but there was 0 reporting that we had interest in Bojan. There was a bunch of speculation on how we’d made the money work to get Burks, like getting a third team involved and nothing about making the deal bigger Detroit side to make the money work. So they deserve a bunch of kudos for getting this done under the radar.

Katz mentioned him. He pretty much nailed the Knicks plan to trade Grimes and Fournier for help and a contract that expires next year

"The Detroit Pistons, owners of the NBA’s worst record and an 18-game losing streak, have expressed that it would take a large offer to acquire 20-point scorer Bojan Bogdanović, league sources said," Katz wrote. "The situation with Bogdanović is akin to the one with Jerami Grant from a couple of seasons ago, when Grant had two years remaining on his contract and Detroit held onto him despite its losing record. The Pistons eventually flipped Grant for a late first-round pick once the rangy forward was in the final year of his deal."

I guess need to take away some of that credit I just gave them then cuz their plan ended up getting leaked. Although, I don’t think Fred was reporting their interest in Bojan there. That reads a lot of like Fred speculating that Bojan would be a good for the Knicks plans. Maybe they can have half credit instead

[stuporman]

Obviously a small sample size but, so far we benched Deuce for Burks when we NEEDED them both to play. It was dumb. Thibs is dumb.

Yea...those 6 mins would have completely changed the 4 game losing streak

We didn't have them for four games. What is your point? He gave our regular backup PG the night off and ran a 7 man rotation. That's dumb. Thibs is dumb. It makes zero sense in the middle of a series of injuries taking our players out. IOW he was STILL running players into the ground after losing 6 players to injury in 3 weeks. Ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Burks SUCKS at PG. DDV went out with a hammy issue AFTER that. Great coaching.

The point...is in 3 games Brunson, Burks and Deuce played in together there is only 6 mins that could be construed into Burks taking from Deuce when Brunson was off the floor...6 mins, that's all. Everything else is not my point so not sure why you expect me to address it.

Thibs may be 'dumb' as you call it but he's the best coach the Knicks have had in two decades, he has brought a stability, consistency and credibility to the franchise it also hasn't had in two decades...regardless of the media/fan driven narratives that are talked about on social media.

Although, yea...Burks sucks. So painful watching him and a little mad at Rose for forcing me to watch it if I want to watch the Knicks. Even if it's true Thibs pushed for him, they could have just said nah. Of course the other opportunities might have taken prime draft assets so maybe why they acquiesced.

[stuporman]

Didn't the media talk about the Knicks interest in Bojan for well over a year? How can anyone suggest it came out of nowhere.

I didn't see the allure of him for the asking price reportedly being sought by Detroit and still not sure that I like the deal considering it cost Grimes unless BoBo included in a 'star' deal I like.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Yea...those 6 mins would have completely changed the 4 game losing streak

We didn't have them for four games. What is your point? He gave our regular backup PG the night off and ran a 7 man rotation. That's dumb. Thibs is dumb. It makes zero sense in the middle of a series of injuries taking our players out. IOW he was STILL running players into the ground after losing 6 players to injury in 3 weeks. Ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Burks SUCKS at PG. DDV went out with a hammy issue AFTER that. Great coaching.

The point...is in 3 games Brunson, Burks and Deuce played in together there is only 6 mins that could be construed into Burks taking from Deuce when Brunson was off the floor...6 mins, that's all. Everything else is not my point so not sure why you expect me to address it.

Thibs may be 'dumb' as you call it but he's the best coach the Knicks have had in two decades, he has brought a stability, consistency and credibility to the franchise it also hasn't had in two decades...regardless of the media/fan driven narratives that are talked about on social media.

Although, yea...Burks sucks. So painful watching him and a little mad at Rose for forcing me to watch it if I want to watch the Knicks. Even if it's true Thibs pushed for him, they could have just said nah. Of course the other opportunities might have taken prime draft assets so maybe why they acquiesced.

Those six minutes could have came from DDV. You know, the guy who was injured after playing 40+ mpg for weeks. It's dumb. Thibs is dumb. You still aren't making sense calling out my post but, whatever.

Burks WITH Deuce helps limit minutes for Brunson/DDV who were being run ragged. Both players were injured during that stretch. It was dumb even if it was for one game. Then you can add the part where Burks sucks as a PG and was calling his own number brick after brick.

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch. That's dumb and makes less than zero sense. Indefensible.

[stuporman]

We didn't have them for four games. What is your point? He gave our regular backup PG the night off and ran a 7 man rotation. That's dumb. Thibs is dumb. It makes zero sense in the middle of a series of injuries taking our players out. IOW he was STILL running players into the ground after losing 6 players to injury in 3 weeks. Ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Burks SUCKS at PG. DDV went out with a hammy issue AFTER that. Great coaching.

The point...is in 3 games Brunson, Burks and Deuce played in together there is only 6 mins that could be construed into Burks taking from Deuce when Brunson was off the floor...6 mins, that's all. Everything else is not my point so not sure why you expect me to address it.

Thibs may be 'dumb' as you call it but he's the best coach the Knicks have had in two decades, he has brought a stability, consistency and credibility to the franchise it also hasn't had in two decades...regardless of the media/fan driven narratives that are talked about on social media.

Although, yea...Burks sucks. So painful watching him and a little mad at Rose for forcing me to watch it if I want to watch the Knicks. Even if it's true Thibs pushed for him, they could have just said nah. Of course the other opportunities might have taken prime draft assets so maybe why they acquiesced.

Those six minutes could have came from DDV. You know, the guy who was injured after playing 40+ mpg for weeks. It's dumb. Thibs is dumb. You still aren't making sense calling out my post but, whatever.

Burks WITH Deuce helps limit minutes for Brunson/DDV who were being run ragged. Both players were injured during that stretch. It was dumb even if it was for one game. Then you can add the part where Burks sucks as a PG and was calling his own number brick after brick.

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch. That's dumb and makes less than zero sense. Indefensible.

You quoted a post in which my post was the original in the quote tree so if you don't want me to reply then cut me out of it so you are only responding to someone else. If you respond to my point with my quote still in it, then I'm not calling you out, I'm responding to you....snarkily, I'll admit.

I don't know what you mean by 'those six minutes could have came from DDV' but my point is that the only real way to construe the amount of time Burks 'took' from Deuce if from the time that Brunson is off the floor and that is a total of 6 mins in 3 games. We will see how it plays out going forward.

Thibs rotation is what it is, we can disagree or call it 'dumb' but if he's playing less capable players more often and more minutes this leads to less success. If you are ok with the Knicks having a worse record under the guise of protecting players then that is your opinion.

It's really easy to think one's own opinion is smart and what a coach, player or FO does is dumb when there are no consequences for holding that opinion on the internet. Yet, people's professions have consequences of their decisions. Many have the same critique with media that spout stuff with no consequences.

You may interpret this as defending Thibs or being a stan, but it's not really that, it's me speaking to the reality of things even if I don't like what I see going on, too. It's just my view and it's empty of consequences, being just another nobody on the internet with an opinion.

We get to say these things, our opinions, on the internet...it's what the internet is for, kinda.

[JayTWill]

Burks has played something like 6 mins across 3 games where it could be considered 'Deuce mins' because Brunson was off the floor and during that stretch Deuce has still gotten about 20mpg. There is no evidence that Thibs is benching Deuce for Burks just yet but I'm keeping my eyes on the situation as more players come back from injury to see how the rotation shakes out.

I believe DDV played 41 minutes in that Houston game and was taken out with over 5 minutes left in the game. DDV didn't return due to injury. Deuce only played 5 minutes in that game. With how shorthanded the team is it is a bit concerning that Deuce would log so few minutes. [b]I'm not sure if that was a sign that Thibs may have been beginning to phase him out. Deuce's minutes went back up the next game but Thibs had no other options with Donte out unless he was willing to play Brunson and Burks 48 minutes each.[/b]

Yes, Brunson was off the floor for 11mins and Deuce played 5...which is why I mentioned Burks took 6 mins from him...why quote me and appear to be contesting my assertion without actually doing so because you describe something that supports it.

We all will be watching how the minutes distribution play out the rest of the season and into the playoffs, but right now there's scarce evidence for the idea that Burks has taken Deuces mins, one game is a minimal sample size. When the rotation fills back out with healthy players, then we will see if it does.

Although, should we ignore how badly Deuce has played recently on both ends of the floor? He's been getting torched on defense, which is supposed to be his calling card, and his shot has gone cold when the knicks needed it most. This is the definition of a bench role player, inconsistent so can't be relied on.

Burks is consistent...consistently basura, yes, but for whatever twisted reason Thibs trusts him and he is less trusting of younger players so doesn't extend them as much leash. Sure, we hope Deuce grows into more consistency or that Thibs lets him play through bad play, yet neither provides what the Knicks need.

I simply said I was unsure what the plan was with Deuce since his minutes were greatly reduced in the second game after the trade despite being shorthanded and his minutes were greatly increased after Thibs had no other options to play. I did not say Thibs will or will not bench Deuce or who is taking his minutes. It has only been 3 games since the trade. Only 2 of those games did he even have the option to play Burks behind Brunson. I was just highlighting McBride's role in the second and third game after the trade.

As far as Deuce vs Burks I have not really involved myself in that discussion. Some people were very high on the idea of Deuce playing after the OG trade. I preferred an upgrade at backup point guard with a more experienced floor general whether it was Brodgan or Tyus Jones or even someone like Kris Dunn. I would have even taken an older Lowry as a buy out option. I was not ready to give Deuce a bigger role this year especially for the playoffs.

Burks is obviously not the type of guard I wanted but I could understand the value of the added depth with all the injuries and players taking on heavy minutes. Thibs still isn't taking full advantage of the added depth unless forced to by injury. It is part of the reason I mentioned McBrides playing 5 minutes and DDV playing 41 minutes with 5 minutes still left in the game until he was hurt. I thought they would be playing McBride more minutes in addition to Burks at this point to reduce the load on the current rotation and hopefully reduce some of the injury risk.

[Jalen Bluntson]

The point...is in 3 games Brunson, Burks and Deuce played in together there is only 6 mins that could be construed into Burks taking from Deuce when Brunson was off the floor...6 mins, that's all. Everything else is not my point so not sure why you expect me to address it.

Thibs may be 'dumb' as you call it but he's the best coach the Knicks have had in two decades, he has brought a stability, consistency and credibility to the franchise it also hasn't had in two decades...regardless of the media/fan driven narratives that are talked about on social media.

Although, yea...Burks sucks. So painful watching him and a little mad at Rose for forcing me to watch it if I want to watch the Knicks. Even if it's true Thibs pushed for him, they could have just said nah. Of course the other opportunities might have taken prime draft assets so maybe why they acquiesced.

Those six minutes could have came from DDV. You know, the guy who was injured after playing 40+ mpg for weeks. It's dumb. Thibs is dumb. You still aren't making sense calling out my post but, whatever.

Burks WITH Deuce helps limit minutes for Brunson/DDV who were being run ragged. Both players were injured during that stretch. It was dumb even if it was for one game. Then you can add the part where Burks sucks as a PG and was calling his own number brick after brick.

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch. That's dumb and makes less than zero sense. Indefensible.

You quoted a post in which my post was the original in the quote tree so if you don't want me to reply then cut me out of it so you are only responding to someone else. If you respond to my point with my quote still in it, then I'm not calling you out, I'm responding to you....snarkily, I'll admit.

I don't know what you mean by 'those six minutes could have came from DDV' but my point is that the only real way to construe the amount of time Burks 'took' from Deuce if from the time that Brunson is off the floor and that is a total of 6 mins in 3 games. We will see how it plays out going forward.

Thibs rotation is what it is, we can disagree or call it 'dumb' but if he's playing less capable players more often and more minutes this leads to less success. If you are ok with the Knicks having a worse record under the guise of protecting players then that is your opinion.

It's really easy to think one's own opinion is smart and what a coach, player or FO does is dumb when there are no consequences for holding that opinion on the internet. Yet, people's professions have consequences of their decisions. Many have the same critique with media that spout stuff with no consequences.

You may interpret this as defending Thibs or being a stan, but it's not really that, it's me speaking to the reality of things even if I don't like what I see going on, too. It's just my view and it's empty of consequences, being just another nobody on the internet with an opinion.

We get to say these things, our opinions, on the internet...it's what the internet is for, kinda.

Where did I say don't respond? I didn't. Yes you are being snarky for someone who is dead wrong but. do you. I will let you know about it when necessary. I just did. Hence the coming at my post comment.

Shortening the rotation is dumb when you are playing 7.5 guys for weeks and 4 of them are playing 40+ minutes a night. Especially when you lost SEVERAL players to injury during that stretch. It's not just about 6 minutes so, kill that noise.

You are all over the map trying to defend cutting minutes. It was and still is dumb given the current state of the team. We need all hands on deck. Acting like playing Burks more than Deuce is a good idea so the consequences of that decision made sense? Huh? We were LOSING and Burks was part of that. The consequences of not running a full rotation was multiple players missing games due to multiple injuries and us losing those games. Oh, but the consequences were for the players and not the HC?

The short yet immediate sample size of Burks/Deuce was only a part of the larger problem that we have to hope goes away. We have ONE rotation player from opening night who hasn't missed time. Deuce. Why not cut into his much needed minutes when everyone else is hurting or out. Ridiculous.

We can agree to disagree but, I only disagree because you are wrong.

[stuporman]

Those six minutes could have came from DDV. You know, the guy who was injured after playing 40+ mpg for weeks. It's dumb. Thibs is dumb. You still aren't making sense calling out my post but, whatever.

Burks WITH Deuce helps limit minutes for Brunson/DDV who were being run ragged. Both players were injured during that stretch. It was dumb even if it was for one game. Then you can add the part where Burks sucks as a PG and was calling his own number brick after brick.

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch. That's dumb and makes less than zero sense. Indefensible.

You quoted a post in which my post was the original in the quote tree so if you don't want me to reply then cut me out of it so you are only responding to someone else. If you respond to my point with my quote still in it, then I'm not calling you out, I'm responding to you....snarkily, I'll admit.

I don't know what you mean by 'those six minutes could have came from DDV' but my point is that the only real way to construe the amount of time Burks 'took' from Deuce if from the time that Brunson is off the floor and that is a total of 6 mins in 3 games. We will see how it plays out going forward.

Thibs rotation is what it is, we can disagree or call it 'dumb' but if he's playing less capable players more often and more minutes this leads to less success. If you are ok with the Knicks having a worse record under the guise of protecting players then that is your opinion.

It's really easy to think one's own opinion is smart and what a coach, player or FO does is dumb when there are no consequences for holding that opinion on the internet. Yet, people's professions have consequences of their decisions. Many have the same critique with media that spout stuff with no consequences.

You may interpret this as defending Thibs or being a stan, but it's not really that, it's me speaking to the reality of things even if I don't like what I see going on, too. It's just my view and it's empty of consequences, being just another nobody on the internet with an opinion.

We get to say these things, our opinions, on the internet...it's what the internet is for, kinda.

Where did I say don't respond? I didn't. Yes you are being snarky for someone who is dead wrong but. do you. I will let you know about it when necessary. I just did. Hence the coming at my post comment.

Shortening the rotation is dumb when you are playing 7.5 guys for weeks and 4 of them are playing 40+ minutes a night. Especially when you lost SEVERAL players to injury during that stretch. It's not just about 6 minutes so, kill that noise.

You are all over the map trying to defend cutting minutes. It was and still is dumb given the current state of the team. We need all hands on deck. Acting like playing Burks more than Deuce is a good idea so the consequences of that decision made sense? Huh? We were LOSING and Burks was part of that. The consequences of not running a full rotation was multiple players missing games due to multiple injuries and us losing those games. Oh, but the consequences were for the players and not the HC?

The short yet immediate sample size of Burks/Deuce was only a part of the larger problem that we have to hope goes away. We have ONE rotation player from opening night who hasn't missed time. Deuce. Why not cut into his much needed minutes when everyone else is hurting or out. Ridiculous.

We can agree to disagree but, I only disagree because you are wrong.

"I think someone is wrong on the internet and I have to tell them how wrong they are"...you think you get some prize for appearing 'right' on the internet? Maybe a medal, ring...or a trophy.

How am I 'wrong'? Explain to me how I am wrong and you are 'right'...because reading your reply, it appears you don't know what I am saying and you are arguing with your own imagination.

First, I didn't defend cutting mins...nope, I didn't and you can't even find a quote of me saying it, that's the story you made up in your mind about what you think I'm saying. It's hard enough discussing stuff online without having to figure out what people think is said instead of what actually is said.

The losing wasn't because of the back court, it's the front court. Two of the Knicks injuries can be speculated to be fatigue related, Divo and iHart. Others were instances of contact like Randle(undercut), Mitch(step on foot) and Brunson(step on foot), two of them showed up with it, OG and BoBo.

Consequences are for everyone who are getting paid as their job, players, coach, FO, even the medical/training staff...all of them. Another example of you arguing with your imagination, not with what I said.

So can I take from you ignoring that I asked about if you are ok with the Knicks losing more games because of Thibs playing guys who aren't as capable more often and more mins that you are?

Again, make sure you actually know what someone is asserting before you say they are wrong because it's not clear you actually do understand.

[stuporman]

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch.

8.739130434782609

I went back to the game logs and looked, Thibs never ran 7 players, always 8 or more and I even weeded out the garbage time guys which there were multiple games of that but is actually a major criticism of him.

8.739130434782609

That's the calculation of 'man rotation' going back to the first of the year, so update your rhetoric, it's not factual.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch.

8.739130434782609

I went back to the game logs and looked, Thibs never ran 7 players, always 8 or more and I even weeded out the garbage time guys which there were multiple games of that but is actually a major criticism of him.

8.739130434782609

That's the calculation of 'man rotation' going back to the first of the year, so update your rhetoric, it's not factual.

Yeah He played 8 guys... Sure... One would play 3-5 minutes. I've looked at game logs too. He ran the players into the ground bro. It's a fact. Indefensible.

[stuporman]

Thibs was running 7.5 man rotations for 3 weeks and players were dropping like flies before and during that stretch.

8.739130434782609

I went back to the game logs and looked, Thibs never ran 7 players, always 8 or more and I even weeded out the garbage time guys which there were multiple games of that but is actually a major criticism of him.

8.739130434782609

That's the calculation of 'man rotation' going back to the first of the year, so update your rhetoric, it's not factual.

Yeah He played 8 guys... Sure... One would play 3-5 minutes. I've looked at game logs too. He ran the players into the ground bro. It's a fact. Indefensible.

You still building strawman to argue with and telling me I'm wrong for things never said yet your own fact you bring is some made up BS number in your mind that is literally wrong, not figuratively wrong.

While still running from the question, would you accept losing more games with less capable guys playing more often and more minutes? Easy yes or no question, really, but still no response to it.

Do you argue with your own mind on the internet often?