Scoot Henderson

[Big J]

Big J takes every possible chance to poop on Scoot. But what would he have the Blazers do with the #3 pick? I'd still take Scoot at #3 even today. I feel good about him having a better career than everyone else in the draft picked after him.

Either of the Thompson twins would have been better than him. Hell, even Podziemski is a more natural basketball player than him. He's got a much higher BBIQ than Scoot.

[Special_Puppy]

Big J takes every possible chance to poop on Scoot. But what would he have the Blazers do with the #3 pick? I'd still take Scoot at #3 even today. I feel good about him having a better career than everyone else in the draft picked after him.

I might take Lively over Scoot tbh

[Blaze the Nugz]

Big J takes every possible chance to poop on Scoot. But what would he have the Blazers do with the #3 pick? I'd still take Scoot at #3 even today. I feel good about him having a better career than everyone else in the draft picked after him.

Either of the Thompson twins would have been better than him. Hell, even Podziemski is a more natural basketball player than him. He's got a much higher BBIQ than Scoot.

The Thompson twins might never learn to shoot. They will have a hard time staying on the floor if their teams make the playoffs. A team can generally only afford to play one offensive non-threat. Podz is a good rookie but his ceiling is not near Scoot's. I'd bet you will change your mind about that within a year or two.

[EvanZ]

Did Big J have Podz ranked higher than Scoot? No, no he did not. The dude literally does not know how this works.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Scoot's explosiveness is so bad that he'll only be a star if he can shoot 35-37% from three on off the dribble jumpers.

But this is possible.

If he learns how to shoot, he becomes really valuable. There's no real analysis to be had other than waiting to see if he learns how to shoot. His ceiling is capped offensively because he can't jump and that's all we can really say, but he can still be a top 15 or 25 player like Deron Williams was.

[JMAC3]

A whole lot of talk about his outside shooting, which honestly has been better than I what I expected. If that sticks he has a chance, but that is not even the worries right now for me. He is in the 2% at finishing at the rim, 3% defender.

but kudos for his shooting lately, teams are daring him to shoot open 3s and he is making them at a decent clip.

I just haven't seen any attribute yet that says he is special.

[HadAnEffectHere]

A whole lot of talk about his outside shooting, which honestly has been better than I what I expected. If that sticks he has a chance, but that is not even the worries right now for me. He is in the 2% at finishing at the rim, 3% defender.

but kudos for his shooting lately, teams are daring him to shoot open 3s and he is making them at a decent clip.

I just haven't seen any attribute yet that says he is special.

Yeah people talk about shooting because shooting is most of what matters in the NBA and he can dribble and pass already and he's 19 so of course he doesn't know how to defend yet.

[JMAC3]

A whole lot of talk about his outside shooting, which honestly has been better than I what I expected. If that sticks he has a chance, but that is not even the worries right now for me. He is in the 2% at finishing at the rim, 3% defender.

but kudos for his shooting lately, teams are daring him to shoot open 3s and he is making them at a decent clip.

I just haven't seen any attribute yet that says he is special.

Yeah people talk about shooting because shooting is most of what matters in the NBA and he can dribble and pass already and he's 19 so of course he doesn't know how to defend yet.

Scoot is 20 and he has a much lower Depm than Thompson twins.
Along with a bunch of other rookies who profiled as better defenders.
He is one of the worst defenders in the league.

[Big J]

A whole lot of talk about his outside shooting, which honestly has been better than I what I expected. If that sticks he has a chance, but that is not even the worries right now for me. He is in the 2% at finishing at the rim, 3% defender.

but kudos for his shooting lately, teams are daring him to shoot open 3s and he is making them at a decent clip.

I just haven't seen any attribute yet that says he is special.

Anyone can make wide open 3's if they are left alone. Hell, Draymond is shooting 40% this year because nobody guards him out there. Same reason Scoot is making a few now.

[Big J]

Did Big J have Podz ranked higher than Scoot? No, no he did not. The dude literally does not know how this works.

I didn't because I underestimated how bad Scoot would be.

[EvanZ]

Scoot's explosiveness is so bad that he'll only be a star if he can shoot 35-37% from three on off the dribble jumpers.

Is there another Scoot Henderson in the league that people are talking about? Because this is wildly inaccurate description of the Scoot Henderson I've seen.

[EvanZ]

Meanwhile Big J just keeps telling on himself.

[JMAC3]

Scoot's explosiveness is so bad that he'll only be a star if he can shoot 35-37% from three on off the dribble jumpers.

Is there another Scoot Henderson in the league that people are talking about? Because this is wildly inaccurate description of the Scoot Henderson I've seen.

Say it is not the explosiveness issue. In your opinion why is he in the bottom 2% in shooting percentage at the rim?

[EvanZ]

Scoot's explosiveness is so bad that he'll only be a star if he can shoot 35-37% from three on off the dribble jumpers.

Is there another Scoot Henderson in the league that people are talking about? Because this is wildly inaccurate description of the Scoot Henderson I've seen.

Say it is not the explosiveness issue. In your opinion why is he in the bottom 2% in shooting percentage at the rim?

Some guys never become good finishers regardless of athleticism. Just lack of touch or coordination through contact. But like...if you can't see the guy is explosive at some point what are we even doing here. We all get that he's not as explosive as Ja. But this is getting old. You literally see him miss finishes with his hand a few inches from the basket. It's not that he can't get there. It's what he does with it when he gets there that's the issue. Can he fix it? I don't know. Let's give him time to figure it out though.

[EvanZ]

Just to make the point clear about the lack of correlation between explosiveness and finishing...one only need look at Stephen Curry. He's one of the best finishers of all time. Clearly he does not do it with explosion but with touch and craft. Pretty much the same with Shai, although he's obviously a better athlete. Harden, Kryie, etc. It's more about skill, touch and craft than explosiveness with all of these cats.

[mattao313]

Is there another Scoot Henderson in the league that people are talking about? Because this is wildly inaccurate description of the Scoot Henderson I've seen.

Say it is not the explosiveness issue. In your opinion why is he in the bottom 2% in shooting percentage at the rim?

Some guys never become good finishers regardless of athleticism. Just lack of touch or coordination through contact. But like...if you can't see the guy is explosive at some point what are we even doing here. We all get that he's not as explosive as Ja. But this is getting old. You literally see him miss finishes with his hand a few inches from the basket. It's not that he can't get there. It's what he does with it when he gets there that's the issue. Can he fix it? I don't know. Let's give him time to figure it out though.

Yeah I don't thing he's slow but he really lacks a finishing package or finesse around the rim. Also he isn't much vertically unless he has a run way to take off.

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[The Sebastian Express]

Is there another Scoot Henderson in the league that people are talking about? Because this is wildly inaccurate description of the Scoot Henderson I've seen.

Say it is not the explosiveness issue. In your opinion why is he in the bottom 2% in shooting percentage at the rim?

Some guys never become good finishers regardless of athleticism. Just lack of touch or coordination through contact. But like...if you can't see the guy is explosive at some point what are we even doing here. We all get that he's not as explosive as Ja. But this is getting old. You literally see him miss finishes with his hand a few inches from the basket. It's not that he can't get there. It's what he does with it when he gets there that's the issue. Can he fix it? I don't know. Let's give him time to figure it out though.

He also tried to avoid contact a lot to start. So he'd get wild with his shots. Over the last fifteen games he's shooting closer to 55% under 5ft from the rim. Now that is a smaller sample size, but we have started seeing him getting better at absorbing contact than trying to avoid.

He still needs to develop his touch at the rim, definitely. But for a third pick, he's really humble. He always talks about how he knows what he needs to work on and I don't think I've ever heard him make a single excuse this season at all. I don't know if he'll ever have elite level touch at the rim, someone you know is just going to gently lay it up and find a way to ease something into the cup, but I think he just needs the reps to keep rising a bit higher and keep the consistency.

We'll really see how he is over the next two months. We've heard he's going to start the rest of the season, I'm going to imagine Portland will start shutting down Ant and Brogdon in mid-March or so potentially as well. Or at least maybe not play them as much.

[JMAC3]

Just to make the point clear about the lack of correlation between explosiveness and finishing...one only need look at Stephen Curry. He's one of the best finishers of all time. Clearly he does not do it with explosion but with touch and craft. Pretty much the same with Shai, although he's obviously a better athlete. Harden, Kryie, etc. It's more about skill, touch and craft than explosiveness with all of these cats.

Feels like you are making the backwards argument here. Yes, guys without great athleticism can be really good finishers, but typically guys who are elite athletes are good finishers by default, which has not been the case with Scoot.

At the rim % in EPM Percentiles.
Anthony Black 74% Amen 64%, Ausar 58%, Scoot 2%

It's not even close to the other top guards drafted and Scoot was sold as a guard who was going to generate rim pressure and finish with his superior athelticism.

[EvanZ]

Just to make the point clear about the lack of correlation between explosiveness and finishing...one only need look at Stephen Curry. He's one of the best finishers of all time. Clearly he does not do it with explosion but with touch and craft. Pretty much the same with Shai, although he's obviously a better athlete. Harden, Kryie, etc. It's more about skill, touch and craft than explosiveness with all of these cats.

Feels like you are making the backwards argument here. Yes, guys without great athleticism can be really good finishers, but typically guys who are elite athletes are good finishers by default, which has not been the case with Scoot.

At the rim % in EPM Percentiles.
Anthony Black 74% Amen 64%, Ausar 58%, Scoot 2%

It's not even close to the other top guards drafted and Scoot was sold as a guard who was going to generate rim pressure and finish with his superior athelticism.

Nobody is making backwards arguments except you.

Honest question. Do you watch Scoot play basketball?

[EvanZ]

Another issue I'd raise here is about what exactly EPM is measuring with their "Rim %" metric. According to EPM his actual "Rim %" is 44%. But according to basketball-reference he is shooting 50% from 0-3 ft, which is what most people refer to as "at the rim". It sounds like EPM is making a more restrictive definition which most likely has an even smaller sample size. EPM doesn't actually give the number of attempts as far as I can tell. So it's hard to say if this metric is meaningful at all tbh.