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Post#761 » by NYG » Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:08 pm

NYG wrote:Who are the top 5 free agents that will be on a new team next year?


DeRozan - Could see a better team paying him short term

Tobias - Could see a worse team paying him more than Philly

Bruce Brown - Raptors probably prefer the cap flexibility with the upcoming IQ deal

Claxton - I could see him landing a deal Brooklyn wouldn't top

Monk/Hield/Tyus - I have these 3 as all about even at 5

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Post#763 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:34 pm

I probably would’ve saved that firing for the end of the year. But this does give you the opportunity to rave about a five game stretch where the team plays well and pretend that the coach was the problem.
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Post#764 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:39 pm

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If the Lakers buy a pick in the 50+ range from a team with too many picks, you will both be right

A quick scan shows me that Memphis, Philly, NYK and Indiana all have multiple SRPs in 2024, and none of those teams are going to have room on the roster for all those prospects


If the Lakers send cash in any trade, they would hard cap themselves at the second apron for next season.


they can trade future 2nd(s) for current 2nd(s) still right?



Yup. Correct. Just can’t “buy” a pick unless they’re also wanting to hardcap themselves and limit their spending options.
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Post#765 » by NYG » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:46 pm

Can Minnesota afford both KAT and Edwards?

Can New Orleans afford both Ingram and Zion?
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Post#766 » by K_chile22 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:02 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I probably would’ve saved that firing for the end of the year. But this does give you the opportunity to rave about a five game stretch where the team plays well and pretend that the coach was the problem.
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Post#767 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:07 pm

NYG wrote:Can Minnesota afford both KAT and Edwards?

Can New Orleans afford both Ingram and Zion?


Yes, but maybe not Trey Murphy III, and especially considering the team-friendly contract signed by Herb Jones.

Career TS% higher for Murphy III than for Mikal Bridges. The gap in contract figures currently is massive. Not sure any gap on defense covers the difference.

I think the Pels should wait to see the return on Mikal Bridges, and be ready to shop Murphy III at the next deadline.
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Post#768 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:41 pm

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Biding their time with minimum roster slots while they wait out the buyout period would be my guess.
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Post#772 » by NYG » Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:10 am

Assuming a bad player on a matching expiring salary is the filler... how many draft picks do the following players get (please note if a 1st, a 2nd and/or a swap)?

Dejounte Murray
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Mikal Bridges
Zach LaVine
Alex Caruso
Karl-Anthony Towns
Zion Williamson
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Kevin Durant
Jerami Grant
Collin Sexton
Corey Kispert
Kyle Kuzma
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Post#773 » by mademan » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:34 pm

I hate Klay for the Magic. He's wayy too arrogant and they have too many guard prospects that need playing time. I'd rather they targe KCP if theye looking or a shooter at guard with championship experience. If Black/Suggs/Cole are having hot games, KCP is fine on the bench in a way that Klay isnt.
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Post#774 » by oldncreaky » Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:17 pm

mademan wrote:I hate Klay for the Magic. He's wayy too arrogant and they have too many guard prospects that need playing time. I'd rather they targe KCP if theye looking or a shooter at guard with championship experience. If Black/Suggs/Cole are having hot games, KCP is fine on the bench in a way that Klay isnt.


KCP is a good choice for the Magic I hadn't thought of. Agree he is a much better option than Klay too.

I still see Orlando needing a lead guard, and if Black doesn't emerge as the answer, I'm not sure what they'll do with Suggs/Anthony/Harris/Fultz -- they're all good players, but not "best guard on a contender" level, and I don't think someone like Tyus is the answer either.
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Post#775 » by cgf » Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:28 pm

NYG wrote:
NYG wrote:Who are the top 5 free agents that will be on a new team next year?


DeRozan - Could see a better team paying him short term

Tobias - Could see a worse team paying him more than Philly

Bruce Brown - Raptors probably prefer the cap flexibility with the upcoming IQ deal

Claxton - I could see him landing a deal Brooklyn wouldn't top

Monk/Hield/Tyus - I have these 3 as all about even at 5

??


Who's going to offer DDR the money or PT that the Bulls will? He seems to be content being Mr. Play-In and I dunno if a contender would want him playing crunchtime minutes, so I dunno where he could find similar money & a similar role on a better team. I'll be really surprised if AK lets him go...especially with Lavine still wanting out.
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Post#776 » by jayjaysee » Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:35 pm

cgf wrote:
NYG wrote:
NYG wrote:Who are the top 5 free agents that will be on a new team next year?


DeRozan - Could see a better team paying him short term

Tobias - Could see a worse team paying him more than Philly

Bruce Brown - Raptors probably prefer the cap flexibility with the upcoming IQ deal

Claxton - I could see him landing a deal Brooklyn wouldn't top

Monk/Hield/Tyus - I have these 3 as all about even at 5

??


Who's going to offer DDR the money or PT that the Bulls will? He seems to be content being Mr. Play-In and I dunno if a contender would want him playing crunchtime minutes, so I dunno where he could find similar money & a similar role on a better team. I'll be really surprised if AK lets him go...especially with Lavine still wanting out.


Demar is in a really good situation to get overpaid this summer..

I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone… Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..

If Harris gets that ugly contract from Detroit, Philly will be left with calling Bridges and Demar right?

And Utah has enough cap space to pay Demar and then renegotiate Lauri. Could be a low end “win now” move..

Some other teams have a lot of cap space that make sense depending on how other things play out? Toronto, SAS, Charlotte..
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Post#777 » by oldncreaky » Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:07 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
cgf wrote:
NYG wrote:
DeRozan - Could see a better team paying him short term

Tobias - Could see a worse team paying him more than Philly

Bruce Brown - Raptors probably prefer the cap flexibility with the upcoming IQ deal

Claxton - I could see him landing a deal Brooklyn wouldn't top

Monk/Hield/Tyus - I have these 3 as all about even at 5

??


Who's going to offer DDR the money or PT that the Bulls will? He seems to be content being Mr. Play-In and I dunno if a contender would want him playing crunchtime minutes, so I dunno where he could find similar money & a similar role on a better team. I'll be really surprised if AK lets him go...especially with Lavine still wanting out.


Demar is in a really good situation to get overpaid this summer..

I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone… Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..

If Harris gets that ugly contract from Detroit, Philly will be left with calling Bridges and Demar right?

And Utah has enough cap space to pay Demar and then renegotiate Lauri. Could be a low end “win now” move..

Some other teams have a lot of cap space that make sense depending on how other things play out? Toronto, SAS, Charlotte..


I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone


Yep, Detroit is going to write a big check to someone, or someones. Assuming Detroit doesn't pick up Fournier's option, Detroit will have only $69M committed to nine players. Add in Muscala, Fontecchio and 2 drafted players, and they are still more than $40M below the salary floor with only 2 open roster spots.

Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..


If we sign a FA, we're pretty much doomed to overpaying, and it immediately becomes a bad contract that we have to wait out.

Why not Demar?: Detroit desperately needs a wing who can defend and isn't a completely dud on offence. OG would be the first choice, but I expect NYK will use bird rights to pay more than Detroit can. Tobias Harris, due to (1) age (2) game and (3) likelihood to sign, is a better choice than DDR -- but overpaying DeRozan is better than falling short of the salary floor.

I'm hoping that Detroit uses its cap space for trade, take someone from a taxpaying team that wants to get off a contract: what team/player(s) depends a lot on what happens in the playoffs. We'll have much better odds of getting a useful player on a trade-able contract that way.
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Post#778 » by babyjax13 » Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:21 pm

NYG wrote:Assuming a bad player on a matching expiring salary is the filler... how many draft picks do the following players get (please note if a 1st, a 2nd and/or a swap)?

Dejounte Murray
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Mikal Bridges
Zach LaVine
Alex Caruso
Karl-Anthony Towns
Zion Williamson
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Kevin Durant
Jerami Grant
Collin Sexton
Corey Kispert
Kyle Kuzma


Dejounte Murray - 2 unprotected 1sts with some variance + marginal value (2nds/prospects)
Bogdan Bogdanovic - 1 2nd
Clint Capela - 2 2nds
Mikal Bridges - 3 unprotected 1sts
Zach LaVine - 1 well-protected 1st
Alex Caruso - 1 lottery-protected 1st + marginal value (2nds)
Karl-Anthony Towns - 3 unprotected 1sts
Zion Williamson - 3 unprotected 1sts
Brandon Ingram - 3 unprotected 1sts
Julius Randle - 1 unprotected 1st
Kevin Durant - 3 unprotected 1sts
Jerami Grant - 1 lottery-protected 1st + marginal value (2nds)
Collin Sexton - 1 lottery protected 1st
Corey Kispert - 1 lottery protected 1st
Kyle Kuzma - 1 lottery-protected 1st + marginal value (2nds)
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Post#779 » by cgf » Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:07 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
cgf wrote:
Who's going to offer DDR the money or PT that the Bulls will? He seems to be content being Mr. Play-In and I dunno if a contender would want him playing crunchtime minutes, so I dunno where he could find similar money & a similar role on a better team. I'll be really surprised if AK lets him go...especially with Lavine still wanting out.


Demar is in a really good situation to get overpaid this summer..

I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone… Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..

If Harris gets that ugly contract from Detroit, Philly will be left with calling Bridges and Demar right?

And Utah has enough cap space to pay Demar and then renegotiate Lauri. Could be a low end “win now” move..

Some other teams have a lot of cap space that make sense depending on how other things play out? Toronto, SAS, Charlotte..


I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone


Yep, Detroit is going to write a big check to someone, or someones. Assuming Detroit doesn't pick up Fournier's option, Detroit will have only $69M committed to nine players. Add in Muscala, Fontecchio and 2 drafted players, and they are still more than $40M below the salary floor with only 2 open roster spots.

Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..


If we sign a FA, we're pretty much doomed to overpaying, and it immediately becomes a bad contract that we have to wait out.

Why not Demar?: Detroit desperately needs a wing who can defend and isn't a completely dud on offence. OG would be the first choice, but I expect NYK will use bird rights to pay more than Detroit can. Tobias Harris, due to (1) age (2) game and (3) likelihood to sign, is a better choice than DDR -- but overpaying DeRozan is better than falling short of the salary floor.

I'm hoping that Detroit uses its cap space for trade, take someone from a taxpaying team that wants to get off a contract: what team/player(s) depends a lot on what happens in the playoffs. We'll have much better odds of getting a useful player on a trade-able contract that way.


Other than Philly, which of those is a better team than the Bulls? 6ers could be a wildcard, but the other teams I can see paying Demar won’t win as many games as Chicago does this season.
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Post#780 » by oldncreaky » Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:36 am

cgf wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Demar is in a really good situation to get overpaid this summer..

I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone… Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..

If Harris gets that ugly contract from Detroit, Philly will be left with calling Bridges and Demar right?

And Utah has enough cap space to pay Demar and then renegotiate Lauri. Could be a low end “win now” move..

Some other teams have a lot of cap space that make sense depending on how other things play out? Toronto, SAS, Charlotte..


I feel like Detroit is going to be writing a big check to someone


Yep, Detroit is going to write a big check to someone, or someones. Assuming Detroit doesn't pick up Fournier's option, Detroit will have only $69M committed to nine players. Add in Muscala, Fontecchio and 2 drafted players, and they are still more than $40M below the salary floor with only 2 open roster spots.

Why not give Demar the FVV contract? Philly probably will be willing to pay Harris big if Pascal if off the table as expected..


If we sign a FA, we're pretty much doomed to overpaying, and it immediately becomes a bad contract that we have to wait out.

Why not Demar?: Detroit desperately needs a wing who can defend and isn't a completely dud on offence. OG would be the first choice, but I expect NYK will use bird rights to pay more than Detroit can. Tobias Harris, due to (1) age (2) game and (3) likelihood to sign, is a better choice than DDR -- but overpaying DeRozan is better than falling short of the salary floor.

I'm hoping that Detroit uses its cap space for trade, take someone from a taxpaying team that wants to get off a contract: what team/player(s) depends a lot on what happens in the playoffs. We'll have much better odds of getting a useful player on a trade-able contract that way.


Other than Philly, which of those is a better team than the Bulls? 6ers could be a wildcard, but the other teams I can see paying Demar won’t win as many games as Chicago does this season.


You're right, but if Demar makes his decision based on trying to compete, obviously Detroit is out. If Demar comes to Detroit, it will be because they pay the most. The key reason why I worry about Detroit ending up with a bad contract is because they are almost certain to have to overpay for anyone.
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