The Washington Commanders Thread

[gambitx777]

If you think Caleb really is like that, then yes, you should trade up. Even if you think Maye is Josh Allen. The difference between Josh Allen and Mahomes is championships. And let's be honest, we're going to have high picks that end up missing. It always happens. The Rams had very little to show from the haul they got from us for RG3. We're picking a bust every other year high in the first round.

With that being said. Is he really really really like that? You've gotta be certain and you can't be swayed by the Johnny come lately hype cycle that is here every year.

Yeah I just don't see it. I mean I look at him and see Big Ben lite if he puts on some beef.

Williams I see too many red flags.

Daniels I like better than Williams

I hate on Williams cuz I think he's a bust but he's still in my mind a top ten pick he's just gonna go to high. Don't take him.

I personally would belay the QB choice till next season. Regroup retool and set the team up for winning.

Busting on a high QB can set a group back decades and the quality of the team factors into that greatly

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Next year's QB draft class is considered to be extremely weak...and also, you can't assume you're going to be picking this high next year.

You need to strike now in a really strong QB draft class.

I've had this out with a few people. There is an entire season of football to play in-between the drafts and there are gonna be stuff QBs remember the machines draft was considered week. I don't think it's gonna be week infact I think it's probably better. Saunders anders and ewwer and Beck are all really solid and aller looks like he might be a stud. Drew aller might be the next big thing too.

I'm not questioning the logic I'm questioning the talent I think there are 5-6 QBs next year that are gonna be better than Williams. Not to mentions a couple this year.

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Yea Quinn Ewers is the best QB prospect next year and he's a third rounder at best.

[gambitx777]

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Yea Quinn Ewers is the best QB prospect next year and he's a third rounder at best.

How can anyone look at ewwers and not think he would be a first round QB this year and call him a 3ed rounder. Sanders, aller, beck, ewwer are all gonna be really solid choices next year.

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Yea Quinn Ewers is the best QB prospect next year and he's a third rounder at best.

How can anyone look at ewwers and not think he would be a first round QB this year and call him a 3ed rounder. Sanders, aller, beck, ewwer are all gonna be really solid choices next year.

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Your gripe is with nfl personnel people.

They are the ones saying the 2025 QB class is weak.

[gambitx777]

Says who who are these people where is this coming from. They say this **** every year based on what the agenda is. They wanna hype up this class. So of course the next one is trash. When objectively by the numbers it isn't gonna be. Once the foot ball is played then the hype machines will roll out and people will start writing articles 2025 underratted. 2025 under cover QB gold. 5 QBs that could make the 2025 draft mean something. Blah blah blah. I look at the numbers and I see some good options.

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Yea Quinn Ewers is the best QB prospect next year and he's a third rounder at best.

How can anyone look at ewwers and not think he would be a first round QB this year and call him a 3ed rounder. Sanders, aller, beck, ewwer are all gonna be really solid choices next year.

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Have you seen Allar actually play? He’s awful.

This QB class is miles better than whoever is coming out next year.

[gambitx777]

Yea Quinn Ewers is the best QB prospect next year and he's a third rounder at best.

How can anyone look at ewwers and not think he would be a first round QB this year and call him a 3ed rounder. Sanders, aller, beck, ewwer are all gonna be really solid choices next year.

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Have you seen Allar actually play? He’s awful.

This QB class is miles better than whoever is coming out next year.

19 years old, 6'5, went 10-2 with pen state, tossed for 2,300 yard with 23 TD and 1 int and had a QB rating of 101. But yeah he's terrible. Yes I've watched him play. I would take him over Caleb Williams tomorrow.

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[Wizardspride]

How can anyone look at ewwers and not think he would be a first round QB this year and call him a 3ed rounder. Sanders, aller, beck, ewwer are all gonna be really solid choices next year.

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Have you seen Allar actually play? He’s awful.

This QB class is miles better than whoever is coming out next year.

19 years old, 6'5, went 10-2 with pen state, tossed for 2,300 yard with 23 TD and 1 int and had a QB rating of 101. But yeah he's terrible. Yes I've watched him play. I would take him over Caleb Williams tomorrow.

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Ok.

If you were picking #1 in this draft, what QB would you select?

[pancakes3]

ain't nobody thinks that Caleb is Mahomes. nobody thinks anyone is Mahomes. Teddy Bruschi just came out and said that Mahomes is better than Brady at this point in their respective careers.

these guys aren't even Peyton. Teams have won with Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisburger, Nick Foles, and Matt Stafford. Mr. Irrelevant was an OT cointoss away from winning. Aaron Rodgers is the most talented qb since Marino, and there's only 1 ring between the two of them. Point being, QB is important, but it's not a surefire ticket to championships. Plus, we are SO far away from a championship, it's delusional to think that even if Mahomes was in the draft, taking him guarantees anything.

If you want to draft Maye at 2, or if Caleb falls to 2, take him, then fine. Trading up is dumb.

[gambitx777]

Have you seen Allar actually play? He’s awful.

This QB class is miles better than whoever is coming out next year.

19 years old, 6'5, went 10-2 with pen state, tossed for 2,300 yard with 23 TD and 1 int and had a QB rating of 101. But yeah he's terrible. Yes I've watched him play. I would take him over Caleb Williams tomorrow.

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Ok.

If you were picking #1 in this draft, what QB would you select?

No one honestly. I'm trading back for assets. This draft is seen as a high end QB draft. Making high picks valuable. It's also stacked with two things that the commanders desperatly need. OL, LB and edge rushers. WR and RB are deep this year too! We can do several trade backs and land form 15-25 pick up several draft assets and more plicks. A good edge rusher like Chop Robinson or a really solid online man like Mims or Guyton.
If I'm looking at QBs it's late like a Joe Milton from ten or kedon solvis from byu in the 7th. I'm not wasting premium draft capital on a QB u til the team is trending up Ward.

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[Wizardspride]

19 years old, 6'5, went 10-2 with pen state, tossed for 2,300 yard with 23 TD and 1 int and had a QB rating of 101. But yeah he's terrible. Yes I've watched him play. I would take him over Caleb Williams tomorrow.

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Ok.

If you were picking #1 in this draft, what QB would you select?

No one honestly. I'm trading back for assets. This draft is seen as a high end QB draft. Making high picks valuable. It's also stacked with two things that the commanders desperatly need. OL, LB and edge rushers. WR and RB are deep this year too! We can do several trade backs and land form 15-25 pick up several draft assets and more plicks. A good edge rusher like Chop Robinson or a really solid online man like Mims or Guyton.
If I'm looking at QBs it's late like a Joe Milton from ten or kedon solvis from byu in the 7th. I'm not wasting premium draft capital on a QB u til the team is trending up Ward.

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The beautiful thing about having the most cap space and 5 picks in the top 100 is we can select a QB at #2 and still build a team around him.

[Dark Faze]

IDK, I would trade up a spot depending on the price. The Mahomes comparison exists because Williams is the only comparable player in regards to evasiveness from the pocket and being able to make any throw regardless of the awkwardness of the throw angle. Defenses are not really capable of defending for the amount of time that guys like Mahomes and Williams can generate. It's a rare ability that frankly should not be passed on unless the cost is too high to acquire (there probably isn't a price too high). A guy like Lamar does have the ability to be evasive in the pocket, but the ability to execute throws down field, and having the vision down field, is not on the same level. If Lamar extends the play and someone gets wide open, he can make the throw. Williams and Mahomes can dart throws while a defensive end is hanging on their hip across the body in small pockets.

What would I trade to move up? I would trade #2, #36 (2nd rd), 2025 Rd 1. That's probably my limit.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's any chance the Bears trade the pick. If they were going to do it the smoke would be there already and they'd be reaching out themselves, because the chance to get a receiver like Harrison in addition to multiple picks is obviously an incredible move if the path forward includes Fields at QB.

So now onto Maye and Daniels. The only thing I have against Maye in comparison to Daniels is UNC. I don't think it's a small difference. You've got a guy putting up stats comparable to Burrow in the same program, inferior in passing completion but obviously insanely improved on rushing stats, and doing it in the SEC, vs a guy playing for UNC lol. The competition level isn't comparable. That being said, Maye's skillset does appear to be superior purely from a passing perspective, and he appears to be the "safer" kind of player archetype. If Daniels ends up being better, it's going to seem obvious in the rearview when the SEC advantage is taken into account, but yea. I honestly don't know who I would pick between the two. I'm leaning Maye.

[tontoz]

ain't nobody thinks that Caleb is Mahomes. nobody thinks anyone is Mahomes.

Nobody thought Mahomes would be Mahomes. Wasn't he drafted 12th?

[gambitx777]

IDK, I would trade up a spot depending on the price. The Mahomes comparison exists because Williams is the only comparable player in regards to evasiveness from the pocket and being able to make any throw regardless of the awkwardness of the throw angle. Defenses are not really capable of defending for the amount of time that guys like Mahomes and Williams can generate. It's a rare ability that frankly should not be passed on unless the cost is too high to acquire (there probably isn't a price too high). A guy like Lamar does have the ability to be evasive in the pocket, but the ability to execute throws down field, and having the vision down field, is not on the same level. If Lamar extends the play and someone gets wide open, he can make the throw. Williams and Mahomes can dart throws while a defensive end is hanging on their hip across the body in small pockets.

What would I trade to move up? I would trade #2, #36 (2nd rd), 2025 Rd 1. That's probably my limit.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's any chance the Bears trade the pick. If they were going to do it the smoke would be there already and they'd be reaching out themselves, because the chance to get a receiver like Harrison in addition to multiple picks is obviously an incredible move if the path forward includes Fields at QB.

So now onto Maye and Daniels. The only thing I have against Maye in comparison to Daniels is UNC. I don't think it's a small difference. You've got a guy putting up stats comparable to Burrow in the same program, inferior in passing completion but obviously insanely improved on rushing stats, and doing it in the SEC, vs a guy playing for UNC lol. The competition level isn't comparable. That being said, Maye's skillset does appear to be superior purely from a passing perspective, and he appears to be the "safer" kind of player archetype. If Daniels ends up being better, it's going to seem obvious in the rearview when the SEC advantage is taken into account, but yea. I honestly don't know who I would pick between the two. I'm leaning Maye.

If you have a gun to my head, I'm taking Daniels and hoping we can pack 15 more lbs of muscle on him.

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[gambitx777]

Ok.

If you were picking #1 in this draft, what QB would you select?

No one honestly. I'm trading back for assets. This draft is seen as a high end QB draft. Making high picks valuable. It's also stacked with two things that the commanders desperatly need. OL, LB and edge rushers. WR and RB are deep this year too! We can do several trade backs and land form 15-25 pick up several draft assets and more plicks. A good edge rusher like Chop Robinson or a really solid online man like Mims or Guyton.
If I'm looking at QBs it's late like a Joe Milton from ten or kedon solvis from byu in the 7th. I'm not wasting premium draft capital on a QB u til the team is trending up Ward.

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The beautiful thing about having the most cap space and 5 picks in the top 100 is we can select a QB at #2 and still build a team around him.

I absolutely hate that narrative.
Let's just shoot in the dark cuz we can. Look NFL free agency is weird. Teams don't really let players go like that in the NFL or you're over paying. Sure we can use that cap room and I'm sure we will. But I see it as far more valuable of an asset to maximize it and gather future assets. What if we land some really good picks and really hot on some players then all of a sudden a top ten RB wants traded or something like that. I'd rather go for assets then a QB when there are winning QB drafted almost every year in the draft. Also no need to spend money just cuz you can. You can save that money till later in creative ways.

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[gambitx777]

ain't nobody thinks that Caleb is Mahomes. nobody thinks anyone is Mahomes.

Nobody thought Mahomes would be Mahomes. Wasn't he drafted 12th?

That's the point I've been screaming about on Twitter. Mahomes wasn't a top ten pick. Drafting a QB is tricky.

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[Wizardspride]

No one honestly. I'm trading back for assets. This draft is seen as a high end QB draft. Making high picks valuable. It's also stacked with two things that the commanders desperatly need. OL, LB and edge rushers. WR and RB are deep this year too! We can do several trade backs and land form 15-25 pick up several draft assets and more plicks. A good edge rusher like Chop Robinson or a really solid online man like Mims or Guyton.
If I'm looking at QBs it's late like a Joe Milton from ten or kedon solvis from byu in the 7th. I'm not wasting premium draft capital on a QB u til the team is trending up Ward.

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The beautiful thing about having the most cap space and 5 picks in the top 100 is we can select a QB at #2 and still build a team around him.

I absolutely hate that narrative.
Let's just shoot in the dark cuz we can. Look NFL free agency is weird. Teams don't really let players go like that in the NFL or you're over paying. Sure we can use that cap room and I'm sure we will. But I see it as far more valuable of an asset to maximize it and gather future assets. What if we land some really good picks and really hot on some players then all of a sudden a top ten RB wants traded or something like that. I'd rather go for assets then a QB when there are winning QB drafted almost every year in the draft. Also no need to spend money just cuz you can. You can save that money till later in creative ways.

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We just fundamentally disagree on everything but that's fine.

[gambitx777]

The beautiful thing about having the most cap space and 5 picks in the top 100 is we can select a QB at #2 and still build a team around him.

I absolutely hate that narrative.
Let's just shoot in the dark cuz we can. Look NFL free agency is weird. Teams don't really let players go like that in the NFL or you're over paying. Sure we can use that cap room and I'm sure we will. But I see it as far more valuable of an asset to maximize it and gather future assets. What if we land some really good picks and really hot on some players then all of a sudden a top ten RB wants traded or something like that. I'd rather go for assets then a QB when there are winning QB drafted almost every year in the draft. Also no need to spend money just cuz you can. You can save that money till later in creative ways.

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We just fundamentally disagree on everything but that's fine.

There is also an effective argument to be made that a better use of some of the cap space is eating the dead cap from trading terry or Allen if you could get FRPs form them.

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[Dark Faze]

Well to compare the Commanders to say, an NBA rebuilding situation, we're the Ime Udoka helmed Rockets. A coaching staff that's come in that's going to want to defy expectations and transition the situation into win now as soon as possible, as Ime is on his way to accomplishing with the Rockets.

This team has technically already been rebuilding for years now, unintentionally. The owner, Quinn, etc aren't going to want to sacrifice a single season. They will be looking to win as many games as they possibly can this year--and they probably should. The team has two long term signed successful high draft picks in Allen and Payne, and had two #2 overall picks within 5 years. The goal is going to be to hit the ground running with the QB selection not unlike the RG3 draft year.