Dallas hot summer (POR and BKN)

[realEAST]

Of course, it all depends on this year playoffs etc., but an idea for Mavericks to consolidate for final pieces.

DAL in: D. Finney Smith, M. Brogdon
DAL out: T. Hardaway jr., M. Kleber, O. Max Prosper, 2025 DAL 1st (top 8 protected), 2025 TOR 2nd, 2028 MIA 2nd

BKN in: M. Kleber, 2025 DAL 1st (top 8 protected)
BKN out: D. Finney Smith

POR in: T. Hardaway jr, O. Max Prosper, 2025 TOR 2nd, 2028 MIA 2nd
POR out: M. Brogdon


Mavericks use their immediate remaining assets to upgrade two key positions for a two or three year push. Brogdon is upgrade on Hardaway in every aspect of the game, especially playmaking and defense (and a more reliable shooter too) and offers Mavericks third reliable guard when one of Luka or Irving is out, who can also play alongside any of them or even alongside both of them. Finney Smith is known face, and really good 3&D guy who gives them defensive size on the wing and more reliable 3PT shooting if Green or Washington have an off game. This leaves Dallas with pretty deep 12 men rotation for regular season and really good top 8 rotation for PO (Brogdon-DFS-Gafford).

Irving-Doncic-Green-Washington-Lively
Brogdon-Exum-DFS-Jones jr-Gafford
Hardy-Powell

Brooklyn essentially get an immediate 1st round pick for DFS, who is not essential for them and they also get Kleber, who can still be pretty useful with them, giving them some more size, and can fit pretty well with some of their pieces, like Simmons. Additional pick adds to their asset pile for future trades.

Blazers also swap vet for a youngster and two 2nd rounders. Toronto picks has potential to be a good 2nd rounder, Prosper has 3&D potential and will get his opportunity in Portland. They also get immediate replacement for Brogdon to give them some experience in backcourt in THJ, but he is more adapt at playing off ball than Brogdon, which opens up usage and opportunities for Scoot and Simons.

[Scoot McGroot]

You have the 2025 Dallas 1st going to both Portland and Brooklyn, which would be an amazing way for Dallas to maximize value with their diminishing draft pick assets.

[realEAST]

You have the 2025 Dallas 1st going to both Portland and Brooklyn, which would be an amazing way for Dallas to maximize value with their diminishing draft pick assets.

For what it is worth, I am fairly certain that Morey had made offers like this.
But thanks for the catch, edited the deal and removed 1st rounder going to Blazers.

[penbeast0]

Redskins did that once and got caught, back in the George Allen days.

[dirkforpres]

Horrible overpay for Dallas for what would be the 4th PG on the team and a 31 year old swing. Id much rather just keep the picks and OMax.

[Mike lorenzo]

To simplify it THJ+O-Max+FRP for Cam Johnson... Is he far away?...

[Mike lorenzo]

To simplify it THJ+O-Max+FRP for Cam Johnson... Is he far away?...

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, no interest in 22M for 4th PG, and will need to see what PJW brings b4 trading for DFS back, THJ/25 1st should be enough.

[PistolPeteJR]

I'm waiting on JRoy to tune in and say "No" because Brogdon isn't netting him the 1st he wants.

[Texas Chuck]

Let's see how Washington does. If he's not the answer, and I'm certainly skeptical he is, then a deal for just DFS might make sense if Brooklyn is willing to be reasonable with their ask. Makes no sense for Dallas to punt assets for another injury prone 3rd PG when they have Exum locked into a min deal to do that next year. When he's played, he's been good enough for a 3rd PG. And Hardy is good enough to be a 4th also making the min. Brogdon is simply not a need.

[realEAST]

I think Dallas has some unreliable guards behind Luka-Irving. THJ is really erratic, hot-cold guy, who offers no playmaking. Exum is decent, but better playing off ball than on ball, not really a creator. And Hardy is still young and inconsistent, while also not showing some projectable upside as playmaker.

Brogdon in that sense offers steady, reliable hand when one of Luka or Irving don't play or have a bad night, and still has the ability to play alongside both of them as he is great off ball player and shooter, and he's got size to guard 1-3.

As much as it pains me to say, but this Dallas team currently needs THJ, and Brogdon is much better overall version for the same role.

As for Finney Smith, I think he is good option (depending on the price, but for this, I'd do it) regardless of how PJ turns out, because it gives Dallas deeper and defensively more versatile forward rotation which is pretty important for serious contention (Green, Washington, DFS; Jones jr. for regular season), but it also allows to go small if needed, with Washington at the C, DFS as PF and Green as SF (Luka and Irving backcourt).

I just think this rounds up roster perfectly, adding significant upgrades to key roles, which enables Mavs even more matchup versatility and gives them better backup options in case of injuries or cold stretches for some of the younger players.

[Myth]

I’m onboard for Portland.

[Apz]

does dfs/brogdon even make mavs better then kleber/thj? I dont actually think so, specially when considering the rest of the pieces on mavs roster

[JRoy]

Pass for POR unless that package is rerouted for something more useful.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I’d just cut Portland out of this and do Brooklyn’s part.

Brogdon is a luxury Dallas behind the two ball heavy stars. And the 6 million dollar difference between Brogdon and THJ is pretty big for a team that is pretty expensive and needs some help still filling the bench.

Obviously, would prefer Dallas consolidating the value in the OP. Most fans would prefer that for their team..

[Texas Chuck]

I think Dallas has some unreliable guards behind Luka-Irving. THJ is really erratic, hot-cold guy, who offers no playmaking. Exum is decent, but better playing off ball than on ball, not really a creator. And Hardy is still young and inconsistent, while also not showing some projectable upside as playmaker.

Brogdon in that sense offers steady, reliable hand when one of Luka or Irving don't play or have a bad night, and still has the ability to play alongside both of them as he is great off ball player and shooter, and he's got size to guard 1-3.

As much as it pains me to say, but this Dallas team currently needs THJ, and Brogdon is much better overall version for the same role.

Sure an available Brogdon would be the 3rd best guard for Dallas. But is he worth even a win more than the guys they have? Probably not, right? So spending more money, giving up the last of the assets for a luxury just isn't what Dallas should be doing.

Teams that stockpiled assets when they were bad can be making moves like this. Dallas' past mistakes make this untenable. Yeah it stinks THJ sometimes has a 4/13 game. It certainly stinks Exum still can't stay on the court(though he's been fine on ball, and was a key part in Dallas playing much faster this year along with Green). And it stinks that Hardy is an inconsistent young player.

But when your first two guys are Luka and Kyrie, and you still bigger holes at forward, that's where the assets should go.

Lively/Gafford/Maxi/Powell? It's not an elite center group, but its good enough.
Luka/Kyrie/Green/THJ/Exum/Hardy? Yeah that's elite even if would be amazing to turn some of those back 4 guys into one better guy.
Washington/Kleber/Jones/Morris/Prosper? This is really unfortunate. Now Luka is big so that means Dallas gets to play an extra guard which helps.

But I'd expect forward to be where Dallas invests its resources this summer, not guard.

[Mamba4Goat]

I don’t think Dallas necessarily needs to burn assets for the best/flashiest names, but instead find the right role players to fill specific holes. TJ McConnell wouldn’t be a bad option for them. Similarly, once they’re able to trade for him this offseason Thybulle wouldn’t be either. Especially if you’re buying his improved shooting.

[realEAST]

But I'd expect forward to be where Dallas invests its resources this summer, not guard.

I think Brogdon is more impactful than that, just going off the last years advanced numbers, it is not an insignificant difference (6 vs 2 win shares, for ex.), but his playmaking ability is what separates him - the need may not be as plapatable, although it is pretty welcome, when both Irving and Doncic are healthy and in form. If only one of those changes, it might look different pretty quick.

As for the positional focus this summer, I agree that forward is probably a focus (I am bigger beliver in PJ, though, I think Mavs need another strong rotation guy, like DFS), that's why there is one coming in this deal.

But problem I see with forwards is that you can go for a guy like DFS who is probably affordable, but any player that would be a more significant upgrade is likely not on a market, or Mavs get outbid.

Besides, if you are trading THJ out, you need to bring in backup guard or scorer who is capable on ball (I was thinking about Keldon Johnson in that context), and when you consider all the more or less realistic names (maybe I missed someone, ofc) Brogdon for me comes on top due to combination of relatively low price to acquire him, his on ball and off ball ability and size where he can defend 1-3 (and Luka being able to guard PFs allows you to play them together), especially if you manage to add prototypical 3&D forward in DFS in a deal too, and in that way address two potentially significant weaknesses - in that sense I agree that this team is already very good).

I am not sure who else could be available and in Mavs price range (and I would try not to include a 2031 pick in any shape or form).

What I don't like about this deal is that it sends Maxi out, who I'd love to keep for his on court value and versatility he allows, but also his off court significance. Initially, I was hoping salaries would match if Powell is included, but it is 1.8 mil short.

Potentially someone with lower salary than Brogdon could be included, but not sure who would that be that has equal or lower price (and some might not be available) and is actually better player or fit than him, for what Dallas need:

Another option could just be to trade THJ + pick for DFS + Lonnie Walker in sign and trade.

[aguiar95]

I like the Brogdon part, but hate giving up O-Max and Kleber.

What would it take to turn THJ into Brogdon? I think a 1st (top-8 protected) seems a high price, maybe 4 2nds ? If not, I'd rather keep things the way they are.

[JRoy]

I like the Brogdon part, but hate giving up O-Max and Kleber.

What would it take to turn THJ into Brogdon? I think a 1st (top-8 protected) seems a high price, maybe 4 2nds ? If not, I'd rather keep things the way they are.

I’d move Brogdon for a LPFRP and THJ.