Jalen Green trade value

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For ORL, I’d take a crack at Green…makes more sense to me than Klay. If he doesn’t level up his shooting (Paolo & Franz generate a lot of open shots), his next deal will reflect that…he’s been a true scorer from day 1, I’d take a bet that a change of scenery might help with efficiency/defense/ball movement, etc…I’d love star upside at a position of need and still on a rookie deal (so doesn’t destroy cap space moves short-term)…largely depends on HOU’s valuation.

ORL sends Cole Anthony, ORL 24 (assume 10-18ish)… Cole’s a good player-not really far off of Green, imo, can play either guard spot- so he could work with Amen, would be a solid understudy to FVV). Decent pick. ORL likes Cole but bets on Green and clears more guaranteed money rather than summer cap space (pick cap hold & Cole’s team friendly extension).

[Kiss of Death]

1. He just turned 22.
2. This is his first season with a competent coach, a competent point guard and an actual system.
3. ‘Rockets can’t afford to pay all the young players!’ - Are they all getting max contracts? Only one of them, Sengun, has earned anything close to a max contract. So far.
4. The Rockets are not trading him for scraps just because some internet trolls think they should.

[dirkforpres]

I cant imagine they give up on him anytime soon, but I would love him in Dallas. I would be hesitant to offer much more than Josh Green and draft compensation though since im not sure he will ever actually come anywhere close to what I expected him to be coming in.

[Skybox]

1. He just turned 22.
2. This is his first season with a competent coach, a competent point guard and an actual system.
3. ‘Rockets can’t afford to pay all the young players!’ - Are they all getting max contracts? Only one of them, Sengun, has earned anything close to a max contract. So far.
4. The Rockets are not trading him for scraps just because some internet trolls think they should.

You sound like ORL fans talking about Anthony Black...starting a thread to discuss something that's been kicked around in the media isn't trolling. Relax.

[Hoppy1]

Jalen Green was picked 2nd overall in the 2021 draft and has been terrible all three years in Houston. He's extremely explosive, but his BBIQ is so poor that he's been one of the least helpful players in the NBA, scoring with terrible efficiency while contributing nowhere else. He's still young enough to develop into a Zach LaVine like player potentially, but he has not really improved since entering the league and has been so bad that his wins above replacement player is... negative 0.66 for his career. The Rockets' organization and fans seem completely done with him and seem to want to move on.

If the Rockets decide to move Green in the offseason, what do you think they can get back?

Not sure any team wants to pay his next contract. Maybe he will turn it around but HOU was a dumpster fire for a few years prior to this season.

Good to see HOU has turned it around and if HOU doesn’t see him as a part of their future that should speak volumes about his real value.

A team obviously does not have to pay him what he wants. He will be a fair market player at his current salary.
I would like to know what the Rockets offer to the Nets actually was for Bridges.

[Xman]

[quote="K_chile22"][quote="Xman"]Cam is too thick for a guard.
Amen can play up. His inside rebounding is strong. Part of why Trae would be great.[/quote]

Why does him being big matter?? He can guard guards and he can shoot and get his way to the rim. Passing is bad for a two guard but that's less of a concern when your center is a great passer and a lot of offense goes through him. I don't see any valid reason he can't play the two for this team and he's effectively been Jalen's backup since he got into the rotation
Cam is a 3/2 who can play some 4 if you're going small based on what I've seen from him[/quote]

He can guard "some" guards. He is not quick enough to guard most point guards or smaller quicker shooting guards.
I like the fact they can use him with Brooks and Eason since all three can cover everyone while switching except small quick guards and bigger big men.
He is a scorer - not really a shooter but you cannot leave him open and he can get hot. Plus, he is fun to watch.
And, his passing is not bad for a sg - it is bad period, hilariously so. Still, fun to watch and I think he will be a good player.
I am fine with him being in the lineup - filling in anywhere in between a pg and a center - just need to make sure we have another guard that can cover a quicker guard (if they put two out there or keep switching to force him on the point then might have to sub him out - but he would abuse that on the other end).

[Xman]

[quote="wemby"][quote="Xman"]Kind of hoping ATL is willing to deal Trae also.
HOU gets - Trae
SA gets - Vleet + Sochan (or Tre Jones) + BKN 2026 + 2028 HOU 1st (protected top 5).
ATL gets - Green + BKN 2024 (#8?) + ATL 2025+27 back.
- - can argue which picks where but idea is SA gets a veteran pg for cap space a little draft value.[/quote]
I assume you mean the Spurs are moving OUT Sochan (former no. 9 pick the Spurs really like) AND some of the most promising picks they own (Atlanta's own unprotected), for... VanVleet?
I don't think the Spurs are willing to move those Atlanta picks or Sochan, but if they are it's to get Trae for themselves, not to gift wrap him to a division rival. It's like this proposal pretends the Spurs should look after the Rockets best interest rather than their own. Totally clueless.[/quote]

See the comment - - "can argue which picks" - - which means they can choose whatever - the idea was SA would add some draft value - which getting Vleet is worth (a decent but not great first value? - listed it as ATL getting pick back because I thought they might prefer it that way). Vleet would fill their biggest need with a quality veteran - just like he did for Rox this year. Instead of sending out an ATL pick and getting BRK/HOU picks then SA could ship CHA or CHI pick. Lot of options - valuation to be determined by whatever long term plan Pop has in his head. Besides, those ATL picks might be lottery or not - the ATL core is signed through that time period (so, unless traded, Trae/Murray/JJo/Oko/Bogdan/Hunter will all be there which should mean that they are not in the bottom eight of the league, in the playin barely with their forwards missing time this year). But, I get the idea that the picks might add a few ping pong balls which makes them possible worth a lot.

I listed Sochan because it seems like the experiment with him failed (I have barely watched SA and thought he was not good when I did watch them - but I do not watch SA enough so maybe he has some value). Could be Graham or TJones or whatever.

And - as far as SA getting Trae for themselves - I agree that they should try (if they think a Trae/Vassell backcourt is sound defensively because offensively it sounds great). Trae, due to size and effort, is not much defensively. Houston could run a big defensive minded player with him in the backcourt limiting the defensive issues (Brooks, Whitmore, Amen, Eason, Tate). Or, SA could push to get Murray back (seems to fit on the court - but rumors of his personality might limit them wanting him back). I think SA might make a move - after the draft lottery (maybe at draft if they are not in position to take a stud pg). Lottery mocks show Topic as best pg but the rest not top 5 worthy. Several forwards though (Williams, Risacher, Holland) could help. If that TOR pick landed 7th and SA got 2nd, then a Topic/Holland draft would fill their needs (assuming prospects pan out)(and I still see pf as their 2nd biggest need behind pg).

[Kiss of Death]

You sound like ORL fans talking about Anthony Black...starting a thread to discuss something that's been kicked around in the media isn't trolling. Relax.

‘The Rockets' organization and fans seem completely done with him and seem to want to move on.’

Saying something like ‘Jalen Green has not lived up to the expectations of his draft position’ is one thing.

Making up a lie out of thin air and using it as the main premise for your thread is trolling.

And RealGM fan posts aren’t ’the media’. If you’re going by actual media reports, the Rockets had offers for Jalen Green and they turned them down. Which basically annihilates the entire premise of this thread.

[Skybox]

You sound like ORL fans talking about Anthony Black...starting a thread to discuss something that's been kicked around in the media isn't trolling. Relax.

‘The Rockets' organization and fans seem completely done with him and seem to want to move on.’

Saying something like ‘Jalen Green has not lived up to the expectations of his draft position’ is one thing.

Making up a lie out of thin air and using it as the main premise for your thread is trolling.

And RealGM fan posts aren’t ’the media’. If you’re going by actual media reports, the Rockets had offers for Jalen Green and they turned them down. Which basically annihilates the entire premise of this thread.

The OP is pretty unrealistically grim (not mine) but there's certainly some basis (as you said). Crazy to label him horrible/terrible/awful/bust at this point tho

[K_chile22]

Cam is too thick for a guard.
Amen can play up. His inside rebounding is strong. Part of why Trae would be great.

Why does him being big matter?? He can guard guards and he can shoot and get his way to the rim. Passing is bad for a two guard but that's less of a concern when your center is a great passer and a lot of offense goes through him. I don't see any valid reason he can't play the two for this team and he's effectively been Jalen's backup since he got into the rotation
Cam is a 3/2 who can play some 4 if you're going small based on what I've seen from him

He can guard "some" guards. He is not quick enough to guard most point guards or smaller quicker shooting guards.
I like the fact they can use him with Brooks and Eason since all three can cover everyone while switching except small quick guards and bigger big men.
He is a scorer - not really a shooter but you cannot leave him open and he can get hot. Plus, he is fun to watch.
And, his passing is not bad for a sg - it is bad period, hilariously so. Still, fun to watch and I think he will be a good player.
I am fine with him being in the lineup - filling in anywhere in between a pg and a center - just need to make sure we have another guard that can cover a quicker guard (if they put two out there or keep switching to force him on the point then might have to sub him out - but he would abuse that on the other end).

I don't agree that he can't guard guards but either way... Most two guards can't guard other two guards particularly well

[wemby]

I listed Sochan because it seems like the experiment with him failed (I have barely watched SA and thought he was not good when I did watch them - but I do not watch SA enough so maybe he has some value). Could be Graham or TJones or whatever

The failed "Sochan experiment" refers to the crazy idea of playing Sochan (a natural PF) at PG for the first time in his life in an NBA season with a totally discombobulated team. Can you imagine playing Jabari Smith Jr, Tari Eason or Cam Whitmore at point guard and coming to the conclusion that they're no good because the experiment failed? As ridiculous as it sounds, that's what some are saying about Sochan. Bottom line is he isn't a failed player, in fact he's been playing great defense and he's improving all around (even his shooting) so he's just fine, only not at PG and I'm glad Pop finally came to his senses. He's definitely not a filler, if you want to use someone on the Spurs roster as filler you can take your pick from Graham, Bassey, etc.

[Xman]

[quote="wemby"][quote="Xman"]I listed Sochan because it seems like the experiment with him failed (I have barely watched SA and thought he was not good when I did watch them - but I do not watch SA enough so maybe he has some value). Could be Graham or TJones or whatever[/quote]
The failed "Sochan experiment" refers to the crazy idea of playing Sochan (a natural PF) at PG for the first time in his life in an NBA season with a totally discombobulated team. Can you imagine playing Jabari Smith Jr, Tari Eason or Cam Whitmore at point guard and coming to the conclusion that they're no good because the experiment failed? As ridiculous as it sounds, that's what some are saying about Sochan. Bottom line is he isn't a failed player, in fact he's been playing great defense and he's improving all around (even his shooting) so he's just fine, only not at PG and I'm glad Pop finally came to his senses. He's definitely not a filler, if you want to use someone on the Spurs roster as filler you can take your pick from Graham, Bassey, etc.[/quote]

If we played Whitmore at pg, we could average less assists than Detroit has turnovers. .

If Sochan is developing then SA really should use assets to get a point guard, if they miss out on Topic.