Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[The-Stallion70]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

[Skybox]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

Maybe if we drafted guys with basketball skills instead of basketball physical profiles, we could expect more. The NBA used to use late first and srps for long shots with potential to learn the game.

[KillMonger]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

man, paolo and franz have spoiled people man.....most rookies don't really provide a lot of impact in year 1....expecting more from a backup? all those players you mentioned played more minutes than black....2 out of the 3 of those guys played at least 80 games in their rookie season, black won't....not exactly apples to apples

[basketballRob]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

None of those teams made the playoffs when those players were rookies. Black is playing within himself so we can win games. If he got drafted to Washington, he may have averaged over 20 points per 100.

Murray is the closest in age to Black during his rookie season and look at his first 50 games or so. He was shooting in the 30's from the field and 20's from 3.


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[The-Stallion70]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

man, paolo and franz have spoiled people man.....most rookies don't really provide a lot of impact in year 1....expecting more from a backup? all those players you mentioned played more minutes than black....2 out of the 3 of those guys played at least 80 games in their rookie season, black won't....not exactly apples to apples

A backup who was THE SIXTH PICK

you seem to have forgot that part

[SOUL]

AB has shown some nice flashes, a heady player, although I think a lot of rookies have shown higher highs.

I think there's a lot to show he could be a 10-14 year NBA vet sort of guy by working on a few things, where some other players could flame out if they don't have specific roles catered to them more.

[KillMonger]

Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

man, paolo and franz have spoiled people man.....most rookies don't really provide a lot of impact in year 1....expecting more from a backup? all those players you mentioned played more minutes than black....2 out of the 3 of those guys played at least 80 games in their rookie season, black won't....not exactly apples to apples

A backup who was THE SIXTH PICK

you seem to have forgot that part

not really, my expectations are for any rookie is to just show flashes....AB has done that so far i can't complain....i just wish we see him play more and not be victim to dnp's....can't speak for anyone else but i can't be so definitive in year 1...there's so much more work and time ahead of the kid it's not even funny....thankfully enough he's one of those guys that's always in the gym, i'm good with what i've seen so far he's building a good foundation

[MasterGMer]

AB looked like a complete different player tonight. I always thought his problem is his mental game. But I might be wrong. He looked aggressive and scored 9 points tonight. That is the AB I am hoping to see. I wish he can keep it going. Cause this dude is going to be an asset for us

[Knightro]

Like always, multiple things that can true at the same time.

Black can have nice potential and have shown nice flashes while also looking like he’s a very long way away from being a significant contributor offensively.

[p0peye]

He projects so far to be defensive specialist that can guard 1-4. So, a smaller version of Isaac without rim protection.

Both are 6th picks btw.

[Fortune Teller]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

Yeah unless you were expecting nothing Black has been a disappointment.

[eyriq]

Like always, multiple things that can true at the same time.

Black can have nice potential and have shown nice flashes while also looking like he’s a very long way away from being a significant contributor offensively.

"long way away from being a significant contributor offensively" while being in the 80th percentile defensively is a starter or at worst a rotation player. As a rookie.

[Skybox]

Like always, multiple things that can true at the same time.

Black can have nice potential and have shown nice flashes while also looking like he’s a very long way away from being a significant contributor offensively.

"long way away from being a significant contributor offensively" while being in the 80th percentile defensively is a starter or at worst a rotation player.

You conveniently glossed over "a very long way from" (a significant contributor offensively)...I like AB a lot, but he's not close yet and really doesn't project to be an offensive contributor - which is fine for a versatile defensive specialist who can also handle a bit but not necessarily create offense at PG. It could work if you move Suggs to the bench and plug in a high-level shooter/scorer (like Simons?) at SG...otherwise, hold him and wait...which is also fine.

[JoshuaPotter]

AB has performed beyond expectations this season.

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Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

Yeah unless you were expecting nothing Black has been a disappointment.

With how we constructed our team going in Black had no clear path to minutes. Thank goodness our back court is made of paper mache. There is a difference between "expecting nothing" and "knowing he is going to have to outplay every other guard on the roster to get significant minutes".

All things aside Stallion has some great points. I don't think AB is as poor as he projects, I just love me some statistically based arguments even if the lack nuance.

Example, Josh Giddey was not on a great team his rookie year. Now Josh is what? 4th option? Maybe peek 3-6th option depending on the night?

The way I understand it, is AB is getting his time via injuries and last night especially earned every second he was out there. We are a team of Paolo + Franz + 4 other 10+ ppg scorers that are above him on the offensive opportunity list. Many would argue that if G Harris / Black were wide open on either side of the court that Harris should get the ball because "he is the better shooter". That is exactly what is going to happen because we are in "how many wins can our main cast get" while we develop picks at the end of the bench.

[J-Mezzy]

Never understood the AB pock given our roster

Still don’t

[Magicman125]

Beat CLE while we were on the road with an off game from both Paolo and Franz. I'll take that 10 times out of 10. We are so back.

[basketballRob]

Uhm no

13 points per 100 pos doesn't get it done for a team starved for scoring. Harkless-esq usage isn't what I was expecting for a point guard taken sixth who wasn't a huge scorer in college but wasn't really a slouch either.

Jamal Murray was the 7th pick, why can't our 6th puck score a bit like he could? Murray averaged 22 points per 100 poss as a rook.

Trae Young was the 5th pick, averaged 28 ppg per 100 as a rookie.

Josh Giddey, also a 6th pick overall and not known as a big scorer, averaged 19 points per 100 possessions as a rook.

We are not out of line to expect more returns after enduring such bad teams. We cannot normalize this underperformance as we basically have after 11 years.

I think Black is a solid player but I was expecting more.

Yeah unless you were expecting nothing Black has been a disappointment.

With how we constructed our team going in Black had no clear path to minutes. Thank goodness our back court is made of paper mache. There is a difference between "expecting nothing" and "knowing he is going to have to outplay every other guard on the roster to get significant minutes".

All things aside Stallion has some great points. I don't think AB is as poor as he projects, I just love me some statistically based arguments even if the lack nuance.

Example, Josh Giddey was not on a great team his rookie year. Now Josh is what? 4th option? Maybe peek 3-6th option depending on the night?

The way I understand it, is AB is getting his time via injuries and last night especially earned every second he was out there. We are a team of Paolo + Franz + 4 other 10+ ppg scorers that are above him on the offensive opportunity list. Many would argue that if G Harris / Black were wide open on either side of the court that Harris should get the ball because "he is the better shooter". That is exactly what is going to happen because we are in "how many wins can our main cast get" while we develop picks at the end of the bench.

Black has already improved since the beginning of the year and will keep making jumps over the next few seasons. He's our youngest draft pick since AG and Black has already surpassed him in stats. Black is doing it on a playoff team. Black will likely start next season.

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[eyriq]

Yeah unless you were expecting nothing Black has been a disappointment.

With how we constructed our team going in Black had no clear path to minutes. Thank goodness our back court is made of paper mache. There is a difference between "expecting nothing" and "knowing he is going to have to outplay every other guard on the roster to get significant minutes".

All things aside Stallion has some great points. I don't think AB is as poor as he projects, I just love me some statistically based arguments even if the lack nuance.

Example, Josh Giddey was not on a great team his rookie year. Now Josh is what? 4th option? Maybe peek 3-6th option depending on the night?

The way I understand it, is AB is getting his time via injuries and last night especially earned every second he was out there. We are a team of Paolo + Franz + 4 other 10+ ppg scorers that are above him on the offensive opportunity list. Many would argue that if G Harris / Black were wide open on either side of the court that Harris should get the ball because "he is the better shooter". That is exactly what is going to happen because we are in "how many wins can our main cast get" while we develop picks at the end of the bench.

Black has already improved since the beginning of the year and will keep making jumps over the next few seasons. He's our youngest draft pick since AG and Black has already surpassed him in stats. Black is doing it on a playoff team. Black will likely start next season.

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Bingo. Black is very underrated and underappreciated by this fan base

[basketballRob]

If we go by Aaron Gordon's playing time, Black will start around 50% of the games next season, 80% in year 3, and will always be a starter beginning in year 4. Gordon was on the cusp of making an all-star team last season.

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[JoshuaPotter]

With how we constructed our team going in Black had no clear path to minutes. Thank goodness our back court is made of paper mache. There is a difference between "expecting nothing" and "knowing he is going to have to outplay every other guard on the roster to get significant minutes".

All things aside Stallion has some great points. I don't think AB is as poor as he projects, I just love me some statistically based arguments even if the lack nuance.

Example, Josh Giddey was not on a great team his rookie year. Now Josh is what? 4th option? Maybe peek 3-6th option depending on the night?

The way I understand it, is AB is getting his time via injuries and last night especially earned every second he was out there. We are a team of Paolo + Franz + 4 other 10+ ppg scorers that are above him on the offensive opportunity list. Many would argue that if G Harris / Black were wide open on either side of the court that Harris should get the ball because "he is the better shooter". That is exactly what is going to happen because we are in "how many wins can our main cast get" while we develop picks at the end of the bench.

Black has already improved since the beginning of the year and will keep making jumps over the next few seasons. He's our youngest draft pick since AG and Black has already surpassed him in stats. Black is doing it on a playoff team. Black will likely start next season.

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Bingo. Black is very underrated and underappreciated by this fan base

I'm all for starting him and saying "come what may" from here.

Unfortunately any losses whether directly the result of him or not will always go along the line of "what did you expect with a rookie point guard starting."