eminence wrote:Big differences are the NBA being unwilling to remove older players. Which makes it much much harder for the younger guys to get on, there's a few older guys I might keep on a personal top 75, but agree with the general direction of the boards list.
I do think the board tends to move up current MVP type guys a bit faster than I'd like, but the finished career guys I don't have any major issues with the boards era balance.
Re: forced inclusion of entire previous list. Yup, that's the big sin. I'm still stunned they let that happen given that's not how previous updates to the NBA & WNBA's lists along these lines go. I feel like it's likely nobody told the voters to do this, but because the old voters were biased and the young voters they chose weren't qualified by actual expertise, this became the easy way out.
Re: current MVP guys move up too fast on RealGM. I definitely think this happens sometimes, and it speaks to a certain assumption that a guy's prime status won't age poorly that I don't necessarily object to. While it makes sense to try to be conservative in your assessment to avoid having a guy awkwardly move back down your list, I'm okay with this happening on my personal lists because it just means I changed my assessment about the guy.
Dwight Howard's the guy I think of here. I memory serves I wasn't actually a Top 100 champion for him in any project, but when he made his debut - and to this day peak - in 2011 at #39, I didn't think that was crazy high for him, because at the time I thought more highly of what could be built around him. I did not know at the time that early weirdness in his relationship with the Orlando Magic would bloom into a bizarre situation where he'd bounce from team to team insisting that he wanted to play as a volume post-scorer at a time when NBA teams were realizing that almost no one should be a volume post-scorer. I did not know, in other words, that anything built around Howard was destined to fall apart.
Depending on one's philosophy, one might believe none of this relevant, but I think the reality is that for most, even those who don't want to be swayed by stuff like this probably are.
So yeah, there's a non-zero probability that we'll eventually see how high we placed Giannis or Jokic and cringe at how much we overrated them, but I think documenting the phenomenon behind the cringe is worthwhile.