NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[Sweet Serenity]

Tatum begging for the mvp is just sad to read. When you’re not as good as joker, SGA, luka or giannis all you can do is campaign in the media. Self awareness is important.

Did you even watch the press conference or did you just read the headline & come on here to vent ?
He was asked about the MVP race & he was referring to Windy using Tatum’s Finals series a couple of years ago as to why he wouldn’t pick him for MVP.
He wasn’t begging for the MVP. He just though that was unfair to use that against him & rightfully so.

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

A player vouching for his teammate to be MVP is now begging ?
It’s actually pathetic & sad that you think the Celtics are begging the media to create the narrative. Stephen A was the one that started bringing up Tatum for MVP. The players aren’t going out of their way, the media is asking them about it in post game interviews & they’re giving their opinion & just vouching for their teammate.

[iggymcfrack]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

strongly disagree
can u point out a similar situation from past races? that is a scenario in which player A wins it when his team has a far superior record even though players B, C and D are all having a much better individual season?

forget about the C's being stacked for a moment just focus on the record vs. individual impact
I can't really think about a comparable example

guys that win MVP's are almost at the top in terms of both raw stats and impact stats (in addition to team wins). they're usually one of the top two players in a given season, they are never 4th, 5th or 6th overall etc.

In 1983, Larry Bird was 7th in PPG, 13th in APG, and 9th in the league in RPG. Yet he won MVP. That was when a players' impact on the team and their standing in the league meant more than stats.

Those are really good numbers though? He led the league in BPM and VORP which would be the best box composites we have. Like if you gave me no information about who the players were or how their teams performed and had me judge the MVP purely the box score nunbers in ‘83, Bird would have been the clear pick with Magic the only one close.

[vulture]

Did you even watch the press conference or did you just read the headline & come on here to vent ?
He was asked about the MVP race & he was referring to Windy using Tatum’s Finals series a couple of years ago as to why he wouldn’t pick him for MVP.
He wasn’t begging for the MVP. He just though that was unfair to use that against him & rightfully so.

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

A player vouching for his teammate to be MVP is now begging ?
It’s actually pathetic & sad that you think the Celtics are begging the media to create the narrative. Stephen A was the one that started bringing up Tatum for MVP. The players aren’t going out of their way, the media is asking them about it in post game interviews & they’re giving their opinion & just vouching for their teammate.

They are begging and it’s pathetic. You know it and are here justifying this nonsense.

When your player isn’t as good all you can do is beg the media. It’s the Boston way and it’s shameful.

[GiannisAnte34]

Tatum isn't a serious MVP candidate much like Paul Pierce was never a serious MVP candidate

[ajones9219]

Tatum isn't a serious MVP candidate much like Paul Pierce was never a serious MVP candidate

Pierce was on horrible teams until KG/Allen got into town, where KG was the best player on the team. Not a real comparison. Tatum is leading the best team in the league by a country mile.

[Bob8]

This are Vegas' odds. I guess some people here will make big money betting on Tatum.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/

[ajones9219]

This are Vegas' odds. I guess some people here will make big money betting on Tatum.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/

As has been stated several times in this thread, I don't think anyone is saying Tatum should be the favorite, but the argument that he isn't right in the mix is laughable, and are built on either crazy double standards, or stem from this weird culture online where in order for fanbases to hype their guy, they have to put other players down. It's weird and silly imo.

My guess is he probably ends up #3 at the end of the year with Jokic taking it.

[vulture]

Tatum isn't a serious MVP candidate much like Paul Pierce was never a serious MVP candidate

Pierce was on horrible teams until KG/Allen got into town, where KG was the best player on the team. Not a real comparison. Tatum is leading the best team in the league by a country mile.

He’s still not an MVP candidate. He’s a good player but not at the level of the other candidates.
That’s the truth.

[Bob8]

This are Vegas' odds. I guess some people here will make big money betting on Tatum.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/

As has been stated several times in this thread, I don't think anyone is saying Tatum should be the favorite, but the argument that he isn't right in the mix is laughable, and are built on either crazy double standards, or stem from this weird culture online where in order for fanbases to hype their guy, they have to put other players down. It's weird and silly imo.

My guess is he probably ends up #3 at the end of the year with Jokic taking it.

Vegas clearly says that he isn't in the mix. And my guess is that they're taking those things a lot more seriously than casual fans in realgm.

[Woodsanity]

Tatum isn't a serious MVP candidate much like Paul Pierce was never a serious MVP candidate

Pierce was on horrible teams until KG/Allen got into town, where KG was the best player on the team. Not a real comparison. Tatum is leading the best team in the league by a country mile.

Best comparison is 2011 rose and even rose had better stats than tatum and won due to weak competition.

Tatum winning is the equivalent of billups winning mvp though many nephews may not realize how good billups was.

[Exp0sed]

This are Vegas' odds. I guess some people here will make big money betting on Tatum.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/

As has been stated several times in this thread, I don't think anyone is saying Tatum should be the favorite, but the argument that he isn't right in the mix is laughable, and are built on either crazy double standards, or stem from this weird culture online where in order for fanbases to hype their guy, they have to put other players down. It's weird and silly imo.

My guess is he probably ends up #3 at the end of the year with Jokic taking it.

I don't get what ur saying. he's not in the mix..a top 5 finish is "in the mix" then fine..but he's not "in the mix" to actually win the MVP, despite his team playing the way it has been. everyone noticed, believe me and yet - he's not in the mix.

[Woodsanity]

This are Vegas' odds. I guess some people here will make big money betting on Tatum.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/

As has been stated several times in this thread, I don't think anyone is saying Tatum should be the favorite, but the argument that he isn't right in the mix is laughable, and are built on either crazy double standards, or stem from this weird culture online where in order for fanbases to hype their guy, they have to put other players down. It's weird and silly imo.

My guess is he probably ends up #3 at the end of the year with Jokic taking it.

Forget about sga or jokic. He is nowhere close to giannis or luka. He is way more comparable to brunson than those guys….

[GiannisAnte34]

Tatum isn't a serious MVP candidate much like Paul Pierce was never a serious MVP candidate

Pierce was on horrible teams until KG/Allen got into town, where KG was the best player on the team. Not a real comparison. Tatum is leading the best team in the league by a country mile.

PP had a legit MVP candidate as his running mate, Tatum doesn't

but there's at least 5 guys in the league who could be MVP next to Tatum: Luka, Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic are indisputable

then there are a bunch of guys who probably raise the ceiling of a team more than Tatum like Curry, Durant, Kawhi, Butler, AD

[Special_Puppy]

Latest MVP Odds (Giving the longest odds for each candidate)
Jokic: -105
Shai: +220
Luka: +600
Giannis: +1400
Tatum: +4000
Kawhi: +9500
Brunson: +16000
Curry: +50000

[Sweet Serenity]

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

A player vouching for his teammate to be MVP is now begging ?
It’s actually pathetic & sad that you think the Celtics are begging the media to create the narrative. Stephen A was the one that started bringing up Tatum for MVP. The players aren’t going out of their way, the media is asking them about it in post game interviews & they’re giving their opinion & just vouching for their teammate.

They are begging and it’s pathetic. You know it and are here justifying this nonsense.

When your player isn’t as good all you can do is beg the media. It’s the Boston way and it’s shameful.

How can they be begging if they’re the ones being asked about it ??

[vulture]

A player vouching for his teammate to be MVP is now begging ?
It’s actually pathetic & sad that you think the Celtics are begging the media to create the narrative. Stephen A was the one that started bringing up Tatum for MVP. The players aren’t going out of their way, the media is asking them about it in post game interviews & they’re giving their opinion & just vouching for their teammate.

They are begging and it’s pathetic. You know it and are here justifying this nonsense.

When your player isn’t as good all you can do is beg the media. It’s the Boston way and it’s shameful.

How can they be begging if they’re the ones being asked about it ??

Creating a false narrative and then get the media to start asking questions.

The Boston media knows the game and is playing it well.
Is Tatum worthy of the mvp award? Absolutely not and that’s the truth no matter how much you try to change the argument.

[Sweet Serenity]

They are begging and it’s pathetic. You know it and are here justifying this nonsense.

When your player isn’t as good all you can do is beg the media. It’s the Boston way and it’s shameful.

How can they be begging if they’re the ones being asked about it ??

Creating a false narrative and then get the media to start asking questions.

The Boston media knows the game and is playing it well.
Is Tatum worthy of the mvp award? Absolutely not and that’s the truth no matter how much you try to change the argument.

Give me evidence of the players creating a false narrative

[vulture]

How can they be begging if they’re the ones being asked about it ??

Creating a false narrative and then get the media to start asking questions.

The Boston media knows the game and is playing it well.
Is Tatum worthy of the mvp award? Absolutely not and that’s the truth no matter how much you try to change the argument.

Give me evidence of the players creating a false narrative

Is Tatum worthy of the mvp award?

[Sweet Serenity]

Creating a false narrative and then get the media to start asking questions.

The Boston media knows the game and is playing it well.
Is Tatum worthy of the mvp award? Absolutely not and that’s the truth no matter how much you try to change the argument.

Give me evidence of the players creating a false narrative

Is Tatum worthy of the mvp award?

Why are you avoiding my question ?

[jokeboy86]

I think Tatum or more likely SGA win the MVP now. Murray is hurt and this is a lingering injury and Malone basically came out and said that their main concern is going into the playoffs healthy. With Murray hurt I expect Jokic’s stats to go up but I don’t think Denver can get the 1 seed with Murray being in or out of the lineup and may possibly stay at either 4 or 5. I think the voters(and more so talking heads) are looking for a reason not to give it to Jokic and if Denver doesn’t get the 1 seed( in contrast to SGA and Tatum’s team having it or competing for it) that will be it.

Now if Jokic were to somehow get the 1 seed with Murray’s injury then the conversation is over.