NecessaryEvil wrote:?s=20
Yeah, and he was going to be the first Bears QB to throw for 4,000 yards this past season as well.
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NecessaryEvil wrote:?s=20
Hold That wrote:fleet wrote:othawhitemeat wrote:
Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?
I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has potential legitimacy as an incident. For example:
Could all be a telephone game.
I would hate that fields move up trade by including 9 and fields just to secure Odunze.
I’d much rather trade Fields separately, Odunze could very well fall to us at 9 nor do I believe he’s much better of a prospect than Alt Bowers or just going defense.
We’d literally just throw away the additional assets we’d get from a fields trade just to settle for a move up that doesn’t have us getting Marvin Harrison
Dresden wrote:I agree. I'd do it for Nabors, but not Odunze. If I had to pick between Odunze and Bowers, I'd take Bowers, too.
molepharmer wrote:Dresden wrote:I agree. I'd do it for Nabors, but not Odunze. If I had to pick between Odunze and Bowers, I'd take Bowers, too.
I'm probably in the minority but if Odunze is gone and Bowers is there at #9, I'm trading back to get a mid-late 1st + a 2nd. I also don't think the Bears will go into the draft without signing a backup TE in free agency, of which quite a few are available. Trading back from #9, could also net a package of, for example, JPJ + M Corley or B Thomas + Z Frazier or an Edge + WR, etc.
molepharmer wrote:Dresden wrote:I agree. I'd do it for Nabors, but not Odunze. If I had to pick between Odunze and Bowers, I'd take Bowers, too.
I'm probably in the minority but if Odunze is gone and Bowers is there at #9, I'm trading back to get a mid-late 1st + a 2nd. I also don't think the Bears will go into the draft without signing a backup TE in free agency, of which quite a few are available. Trading back from #9, could also net a package of, for example, JPJ + M Corley or B Thomas + Z Frazier or an Edge + WR, etc.
Hold That wrote:fleet wrote:othawhitemeat wrote:
Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?
I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has potential legitimacy as an incident. For example:
Could all be a telephone game.
I would hate that fields move up trade by including 9 and fields just to secure Odunze.
I’d much rather trade Fields separately, Odunze could very well fall to us at 9 nor do I believe he’s much better of a prospect than Alt Bowers or just going defense.
We’d literally just throw away the additional assets we’d get from a fields trade just to settle for a move up that doesn’t have us getting Marvin Harrison
_txchilibowl_ wrote:Interesting as it relates to Fields and the quarterback market. Vacchiano suggests the Commanders could get a 3rd or higher for Howell.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/the-commanders-are-recalibrating-their-3-item-checklist-begins-with-a-new-qb
fleet wrote:There’s something like 16-20 ‘True first round’ graded players in this draft. The high number of quarterbacks and perhaps Bowers will cause a situation where a blue chip prospect can be available at #9. I don’t necessarily agree with trading down from one of those blues into the reds if you’re falling out of blue range, and able to draft at a need position. Very limited distance trading down for me. If any. The Bears are very fortunate with that #9
[Miller] The 16 NFL draft prospects with a true Round 1 grade: What makes them 2024 first-rounders, plus comps
QB Caleb Williams, USC, Comp: Aaron Rodgers
QB Jayden Daniels, LSU, Comp: Lamar Jackson
QB Drake Maye, North Carolina, Comp: Justin Herbert
WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State, Comp: A.J. Green
WR Malik Nabers, LSU, Comp: Stefon Diggs
WR Rome Odunze, Washington, Comp: Ja'Marr Chase
WR Brian Thomas Jr., LSU, Comp: Tee Higgins
TE Brock Bowers, Georgia, Comp: George Kittle
OT Joe Alt, Notre Dame, Comp: Andrew Thomas
OT Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Penn State, Comp: Terron Armstead
OT Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State, Comp: Darnell Wright
EDGE Dallas Turner, Alabama, Comp: Josh Allen
EDGE Jared Verse, Florida State, Comp: Trey Hendrickson
DT Byron Murphy II, Texas, Comp: Justin Madubuike
CB Terrion Arnold, Alabama, Comp: Devon Witherspoon
CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Missouri, Comp: Tre'Davious White
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39163371/2024-nfl-draft-board-prospects-first-round-grades-comps
Dresden wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:?s=20
Yeah, and he was going to be the first Bears QB to throw for 4,000 yards this past season as well.
Dresden wrote:fleet wrote:There’s something like 16-20 ‘True first round’ graded players in this draft. The high number of quarterbacks and perhaps Bowers will cause a situation where a blue chip prospect can be available at #9. I don’t necessarily agree with trading down from one of those blues into the reds if you’re falling out of blue range, and able to draft at a need position. Very limited distance trading down for me. If any. The Bears are very fortunate with that #9
[Miller] The 16 NFL draft prospects with a true Round 1 grade: What makes them 2024 first-rounders, plus comps
QB Caleb Williams, USC, Comp: Aaron Rodgers
QB Jayden Daniels, LSU, Comp: Lamar Jackson
QB Drake Maye, North Carolina, Comp: Justin Herbert
WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State, Comp: A.J. Green
WR Malik Nabers, LSU, Comp: Stefon Diggs
WR Rome Odunze, Washington, Comp: Ja'Marr Chase
WR Brian Thomas Jr., LSU, Comp: Tee Higgins
TE Brock Bowers, Georgia, Comp: George Kittle
OT Joe Alt, Notre Dame, Comp: Andrew Thomas
OT Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Penn State, Comp: Terron Armstead
OT Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State, Comp: Darnell Wright
EDGE Dallas Turner, Alabama, Comp: Josh Allen
EDGE Jared Verse, Florida State, Comp: Trey Hendrickson
DT Byron Murphy II, Texas, Comp: Justin Madubuike
CB Terrion Arnold, Alabama, Comp: Devon Witherspoon
CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Missouri, Comp: Tre'Davious White
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39163371/2024-nfl-draft-board-prospects-first-round-grades-comps
what happened to Kool Aid? He went from being a top 12 pick in a lot of mocks a few months ago, to now not even being the first CB from his own team taken.
molepharmer wrote:Dresden wrote:I agree. I'd do it for Nabors, but not Odunze. If I had to pick between Odunze and Bowers, I'd take Bowers, too.
I'm probably in the minority but if Odunze is gone and Bowers is there at #9, I'm trading back to get a mid-late 1st + a 2nd. I also don't think the Bears will go into the draft without signing a backup TE in free agency, of which quite a few are available. Trading back from #9, could also net a package of, for example, JPJ + M Corley or B Thomas + Z Frazier or an Edge + WR, etc.
HearshotKDS wrote:Dresden wrote:fleet wrote:There’s something like 16-20 ‘True first round’ graded players in this draft. The high number of quarterbacks and perhaps Bowers will cause a situation where a blue chip prospect can be available at #9. I don’t necessarily agree with trading down from one of those blues into the reds if you’re falling out of blue range, and able to draft at a need position. Very limited distance trading down for me. If any. The Bears are very fortunate with that #9
[Miller] The 16 NFL draft prospects with a true Round 1 grade: What makes them 2024 first-rounders, plus comps
QB Caleb Williams, USC, Comp: Aaron Rodgers
QB Jayden Daniels, LSU, Comp: Lamar Jackson
QB Drake Maye, North Carolina, Comp: Justin Herbert
WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State, Comp: A.J. Green
WR Malik Nabers, LSU, Comp: Stefon Diggs
WR Rome Odunze, Washington, Comp: Ja'Marr Chase
WR Brian Thomas Jr., LSU, Comp: Tee Higgins
TE Brock Bowers, Georgia, Comp: George Kittle
OT Joe Alt, Notre Dame, Comp: Andrew Thomas
OT Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Penn State, Comp: Terron Armstead
OT Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State, Comp: Darnell Wright
EDGE Dallas Turner, Alabama, Comp: Josh Allen
EDGE Jared Verse, Florida State, Comp: Trey Hendrickson
DT Byron Murphy II, Texas, Comp: Justin Madubuike
CB Terrion Arnold, Alabama, Comp: Devon Witherspoon
CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Missouri, Comp: Tre'Davious White
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39163371/2024-nfl-draft-board-prospects-first-round-grades-comps
what happened to Kool Aid? He went from being a top 12 pick in a lot of mocks a few months ago, to now not even being the first CB from his own team taken.
Matt Miller is a Bleacher report flunky with no NFL experience is the short answer. I can see dropping Latu if they are assuming worst case with the neck but no Koolaid or Newton is clickbait bad. Some of the comps are ridiculous too, the big example that immediately jumped out to me was: Terron Armstead was an undersized hyper athletic Tackle - Olu is a prototypical size with decent athleticism guy and their games look nothing alike. MIA asks armstead to pull and block Dbs on the edge or S at the 3rd level lmao Penn state was happy if Olu could block the guy in front of him on runs plays they are not similar LTs.
JockItch43 wrote:Hold That wrote:fleet wrote:I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has potential legitimacy as an incident. For example:
Could all be a telephone game.
I would hate that fields move up trade by including 9 and fields just to secure Odunze.
I’d much rather trade Fields separately, Odunze could very well fall to us at 9 nor do I believe he’s much better of a prospect than Alt Bowers or just going defense.
We’d literally just throw away the additional assets we’d get from a fields trade just to settle for a move up that doesn’t have us getting Marvin Harrison
That's why I like the proposed Atlanta trade I saw. Fields for their 2nd rounder, and we also swap the 9th with the 8th pick. Would have an even better shot to land a guy like Odunze, Nabers, or Bowers and we still get a much needed high 2nd rounder.
Almost Retired wrote:https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-mock-draft-roundup-2024-bears-land-caleb-williams-rome-odunze-first-round-projections/
Multiple draft analysts weighing in on what they think the Bears will do. The consensus is that we go with Caleb #1 and Odunze at #9. The only two guys that disagree have us going with Caleb and Fashanu or Caleb and Terrion Arnold. I disagree on both of the outliers. Bears will either go Caleb and Odunze or they will trade down from #9 to try to get some extra picks in this very strong draft.
dice wrote:molepharmer wrote:Dresden wrote:I agree. I'd do it for Nabors, but not Odunze. If I had to pick between Odunze and Bowers, I'd take Bowers, too.
I'm probably in the minority but if Odunze is gone and Bowers is there at #9, I'm trading back to get a mid-late 1st + a 2nd. I also don't think the Bears will go into the draft without signing a backup TE in free agency, of which quite a few are available. Trading back from #9, could also net a package of, for example, JPJ + M Corley or B Thomas + Z Frazier or an Edge + WR, etc.
i don't think people appreciate how much actual spending capital the bears have in free agency
players under contract for 2024 at greater than the vet minimum of (excluding fields): 24
combined cap hits of those 24 players: 140.1 mil
combined cap hits of top 3 draft picks (those over $1 mil): 12.1
franchise tag for jaylon: 19.8
obvious returnees at $1 mil or less (sewell, sanborn, t. smith, bagent): 3.9
total 2024 cap commitments to 32 players: 175.9
adjusted 2024 cap: 260.3
available cap to sign/retain 19 players and bring roster to 51: 84.4 mil
now, the bears are not going to sign 19 free agents at greater than league minimum. last year they brought in 14, so we'll use that number again. the 5 min salary additions/retentions bring cap space down to around 80 mil
around 80 mil in 2024 cap available to sign around 14 incoming free agents
but here's the rub: the year 1 cap hit of a multi-year free agent signing is generally lower than the annual average (AAV). for example, khalil mack got a 23.5 AAV contract from the bears. but his year 1 cap hit was only 13.8 mil (59% of average). if the bears decided to do that with each and every one of the 14 or so incoming free agents, the 80 mil in available 2024 cap hits would be boosted by 70% to over 135 mil in AAV. of course, that would require heavily mortgaging the future in order to go "all in" on 2024 w/ a rookie QB. that would be foolish. and some if not most of the contracts will be shorter-term. but i certainly expect that there will be some degree of cap hit deferral that poles will engage in. maybe the 80 mil or so in 2024 cap availability will jump to 90-95 mil in AAV. and that's IN ADDITION to jaylon on the franchise tag
the bottom line is that the bears have more than enough money to adequately fill every major hole on the roster prior to the draft. and i'd be surprised if they don't...other than potentially leaving the 3rd starting WR role open in the hopes that odunze drops to #9. that doesn't mean they won't sign a low-end starter at one or more positions and leave it open to competition w/ a rookie though
but even if the bears don't sign a high-end 2nd TE in FA (and i think it's somewhat unlikely that they do - bringing back lewis is a good possibility), i'm still trading back from #9 if odunze isn't there rather than taking bowers
dice wrote:molepharmer wrote:Dresden wrote:I agree. I'd do it for Nabors, but not Odunze. If I had to pick between Odunze and Bowers, I'd take Bowers, too.
I'm probably in the minority but if Odunze is gone and Bowers is there at #9, I'm trading back to get a mid-late 1st + a 2nd. I also don't think the Bears will go into the draft without signing a backup TE in free agency, of which quite a few are available. Trading back from #9, could also net a package of, for example, JPJ + M Corley or B Thomas + Z Frazier or an Edge + WR, etc.
i don't think people appreciate how much actual spending capital the bears have in free agency
players under contract for 2024 at greater than the vet minimum of (excluding fields): 24
combined cap hits of those 24 players: 140.1 mil
combined cap hits of top 3 draft picks (those over $1 mil): 12.1
franchise tag for jaylon: 19.8
obvious returnees at $1 mil or less (sewell, sanborn, t. smith, bagent): 3.9
total 2024 cap commitments to 32 players: 175.9
adjusted 2024 cap: 260.3
available cap to sign/retain 19 players and bring roster to 51: 84.4 mil
now, the bears are not going to sign 19 free agents at greater than league minimum. last year they brought in 14, so we'll use that number again. the 5 min salary additions/retentions bring cap space down to around 80 mil
around 80 mil in 2024 cap available to sign around 14 incoming free agents
but here's the rub: the year 1 cap hit of a multi-year free agent signing is generally lower than the annual average (AAV). for example, khalil mack got a 23.5 AAV contract from the bears. but his year 1 cap hit was only 13.8 mil (59% of average). if the bears decided to do that with each and every one of the 14 or so incoming free agents, the 80 mil in available 2024 cap hits would be boosted by 70% to over 135 mil in AAV. of course, that would require heavily mortgaging the future in order to go "all in" on 2024 w/ a rookie QB. that would be foolish. and some if not most of the contracts will be shorter-term. but i certainly expect that there will be some degree of cap hit deferral that poles will engage in. maybe the 80 mil or so in 2024 cap availability will jump to 90-95 mil in AAV. and that's IN ADDITION to jaylon on the franchise tag
the bottom line is that the bears have more than enough money to adequately fill every major hole on the roster prior to the draft. and i'd be surprised if they don't...other than potentially leaving the 3rd starting WR role open in the hopes that odunze drops to #9. that doesn't mean they won't sign a low-end starter at one or more positions and leave it open to competition w/ a rookie though
but even if the bears don't sign a high-end 2nd TE in FA (and i think it's somewhat unlikely that they do - bringing back lewis is a good possibility), i'm still trading back from #9 if odunze isn't there rather than taking bowers