NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[iggymcfrack]

I think Tatum or more likely SGA win the MVP now. Murray is hurt and this is a lingering injury and Malone basically came out and said that their main concern is going into the playoffs healthy. With Murray hurt I expect Jokic’s stats to go up but I don’t think Denver can get the 1 seed with Murray being in or out of the lineup and may possibly stay at either 4 or 5. I think the voters(and more so talking heads) are looking for a reason not to give it to Jokic and if Denver doesn’t get the 1 seed( in contrast to SGA and Tatum’s team having it or competing for it) that will be it.

Now if Jokic were to somehow get the 1 seed with Murray’s injury then the conversation is over.

Tatum has almost zero chance. The only player to win MVP with numbers anywhere near that far behind the leaders since the ‘70s is Steve Nash. He had a super strong narrative, first lifting the Suns record upon getting traded there and then raising his numbers and keeping the team steady with Amare out.

It’s realistically between SGA and Jokic with Giannis as a dark horse and Luka having an outside shot if the Mavs go on a crazy run to finish the year and the other candidates fall. If you bet on Tatum at 50:1, you’re basicallt lighting your money on fire though.

[Jaqua92]

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

A player vouching for his teammate to be MVP is now begging ?
It’s actually pathetic & sad that you think the Celtics are begging the media to create the narrative. Stephen A was the one that started bringing up Tatum for MVP. The players aren’t going out of their way, the media is asking them about it in post game interviews & they’re giving their opinion & just vouching for their teammate.

They are begging and it’s pathetic. You know it and are here justifying this nonsense.

When your player isn’t as good all you can do is beg the media. It’s the Boston way and it’s shameful.

What the hell is this pathetic crap you're spewing and making up?

There's no Tatum MVP push in Celtic nation. There's no Tatum MVP push in our fandom, or in our media. Tatum hasn't said a word about MVP, and the only time it's been addressed is when asked about it.

There's no Tatum MVP narrative in our camp. None. This is weird.

[Jaqua92]

One poster, Vulture, has entirely detailed and taken over this thread by turning into a Tatum bashing session with his claims that Celtic media is pushing a Tatum narrative when that isn't true whatsoever.

No one, even the most homer members of Celtic media is advocating for a Tatum MVP. No one.


This dude is flat out making crap up and has derailed the thread with it

Can we get a mod involved here?

[Jaqua92]

Stop deflecting and answer the question: should tatum win MVP this season?

I’m going to be the bigger person & move on because it’s clear your ego won’t allow you to admit that you just made up that Tatum’s teammates were creating a false narrative to start talking about Tatum in the MVP discussions.

Move on with your Homer self because clearly you can’t answer a simple question.
Tatum isn’t an MVP unless he plays a media game.

No one, including Celtic media, is saying Tatum is the MVP. You're making crap up to justify **** on Tatum.

This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on this website.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Jokic is doing Jokic things but the Thunder being possibly the first seed in the West with Shai being at this level has to be enough for him.

The narrative is there, clearly the best player on his team, leads the team from playin to top of the West with only young guys and himself as the leader.

The "best player in the NBA" argument didn't work out for the MJ and Lebrons of the world who probably could have taken a few more MVPs in years other guys fit the conventional MVP narrative. I'm not seeing what would be different for Jokic next year in terms of stats. He may as well win every year if being the best player is the primary criteria to win the award in this era

[PierceFan4ever]

Jokic should and will win mvp. He’s the best player by a good margin and right up there with anyone in nba’s history best stretch. The way he does it so effortlessly and doesn’t even look to pad his stats is insane to watch. Really is a generational talent.

[zero rings]

Jokic is doing Jokic things but the Thunder being possibly the first seed in the West with Shai being at this level has to be enough for him.

The narrative is there, clearly the best player on his team, leads the team from playin to top of the West with only young guys and himself as the leader.

The "best player in the NBA" argument didn't work out for the MJ and Lebrons of the world who probably could have taken a few more MVPs in years other guys fit the conventional MVP narrative. I'm not seeing what would be different for Jokic next year in terms of stats. He may as well win every year if being the best player is the primary criteria to win the award in this era

If it's close, I think Jokic will win it. For the first time in his career the narrative is on his side. His haters are in hiding following the championship, and a lot of people are going to want to give it to him as a make-up for last year.

He may get robbed again but I doubt it will be this year.

[LessEyeTest]

Jokic in the 3 games post-ASB: 82 points, 50 rebounds, 45 assists, 7 steals...also shooting 35-51 from the field.

I think he's widening the gap between himself and SGA.

[Jaqua92]

We can't assume the Thunder will take the #1 seed anyway.

[lethalizer]

I hope Jokic wraps this up in April so OKC can safely fine tune for the playoffs and give the required rest Shai deserves instead of pushing all out for the award.

The expectations have wildly changed with me for this team during the season. First I was okay with a guaranteed playoff spot, then I was okay with HCA and a first round playoff exit, now I actually expect to win a playoff series.

it would be hard as hell to accomplish that if we burn SGA towards the finish line.

[AleksandarN]

Crazy and over looked the stuff you see after rewatching Jokic’s plays. He has the highest bbiq in the game. Even over lebron and cp3

Read on Twitter

[dygaction]

I hope Jokic wraps this up in April so OKC can safely fine tune for the playoffs and give the required rest Shai deserves instead of pushing all out for the award.

The expectations have wildly changed with me for this team during the season. First I was okay with a guaranteed playoff spot, then I was okay with HCA and a first round playoff exit, now I actually expect to win a playoff series.

it would be hard as hell to accomplish that if we burn SGA towards the finish line.

Unless your goal is the championship this season, the value of a MVP to an NBA player is SO invaluable. SGA should go for it while it is still within reach. You will never know what happens and how narratives change next season as shown in Tatum case. Celtics are winning but his scoring decreased by several points. With the assets OKC has, you may be able to add both Mikal Bridges and Lauri in the offseason, then the team can focus on the championship.

[lethalizer]

I hope Jokic wraps this up in April so OKC can safely fine tune for the playoffs and give the required rest Shai deserves instead of pushing all out for the award.

The expectations have wildly changed with me for this team during the season. First I was okay with a guaranteed playoff spot, then I was okay with HCA and a first round playoff exit, now I actually expect to win a playoff series.

it would be hard as hell to accomplish that if we burn SGA towards the finish line.

Unless your goal is the championship this season, the value of a MVP to an NBA player is SO invaluable. SGA should go for it while it is still within reach. You will never know what happens and how narratives change next season as shown in Tatum case. Celtics are winning but his scoring decreased by several points. With the assets OKC has, you may be able to add both Mikal Bridges and Lauri in the offseason, then the team can focus on the championship.

We won't add Mikal and Lauri in the offseason, but I actually agree with your general assessment. I'm just being selfish here a bit I guess.

I'm content with another All NBA 1st team and a decent playoff run over an MVP, but obviously for this season alone Shai might think otherwise and I wouldn't fault him for it.

[Wolfgang630]

Luka back in the 8th seed. It’s only Jokic vs SGA. No one else is in their tier.

[CobraCommander]

Jokic is doing Jokic things but the Thunder being possibly the first seed in the West with Shai being at this level has to be enough for him.

The narrative is there, clearly the best player on his team, leads the team from playin to top of the West with only young guys and himself as the leader.

The "best player in the NBA" argument didn't work out for the MJ and Lebrons of the world who probably could have taken a few more MVPs in years other guys fit the conventional MVP narrative. I'm not seeing what would be different for Jokic next year in terms of stats. He may as well win every year if being the best player is the primary criteria to win the award in this era

Jokic with a easy 32-16-16 while beating GSW - dude got this locked up

[CobraCommander]

Luka back in the 8th seed. It’s only Jokic vs SGA. No one else is in their tier.

Sga gonna need to be 1st in west to touch Jokic

[mkot]

Crazy and over looked the stuff you see after rewatching Jokic’s plays. He has the highest bbiq in the game. Even over lebron and cp3

Read on Twitter

I'm actually more impressed with his BBIQ. One of his biggest weapon on defense is his IQ and how he sees things before they happen. That was the GSW patent Draymond and Steph 2-man game and he read it beautifully.

But yeah that was disgusting. How he jumped in the air and had the body control to fake that pass, unreal.

[dygaction]

I hope Jokic wraps this up in April so OKC can safely fine tune for the playoffs and give the required rest Shai deserves instead of pushing all out for the award.

The expectations have wildly changed with me for this team during the season. First I was okay with a guaranteed playoff spot, then I was okay with HCA and a first round playoff exit, now I actually expect to win a playoff series.

it would be hard as hell to accomplish that if we burn SGA towards the finish line.

Unless your goal is the championship this season, the value of a MVP to an NBA player is SO invaluable. SGA should go for it while it is still within reach. You will never know what happens and how narratives change next season as shown in Tatum case. Celtics are winning but his scoring decreased by several points. With the assets OKC has, you may be able to add both Mikal Bridges and Lauri in the offseason, then the team can focus on the championship.

We won't add Mikal and Lauri in the offseason, but I actually agree with your general assessment. I'm just being selfish here a bit I guess.

I'm content with another All NBA 1st team and a decent playoff run over an MVP, but obviously for this season alone Shai might think otherwise and I wouldn't fault him for it.

Why not? Their ability and age fit well, and OKC have too many assets to consolidate.

[dygaction]

Luka back in the 8th seed. It’s only Jokic vs SGA. No one else is in their tier.

Sga gonna need to be 1st in west to touch Jokic

They currently are tied first, and likely will end up being the 1st.

[Mavrelous]

SGA is ahead of Jokic for me, he's taking his team with #2 and #3 are a rookie and a sophomore to 2nd best record in the league, his impact stats are top notch.
I still have Jokic as the clear best player in the league though.