2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

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The problem I have with Jaylon Tyson is his lack of quickness. He seems to be more a PF on defense, while not big enough to be a PF, and not quick enough to be a SF.

His ability to get to the rim, sometimes make the right pass and somewhat capable shooter from 3, but his lack of defensive position is a concern to me.

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A good observation. I have a problem with a ton of guys this draft so for me the willingness and interest to defend is there which counts for a lot. I'm a guy who buys into that more than guys with measurables and "defensive potential" who really have to be prodded to move and produce on D. There are many NBA SGs SFs and PFs that I can imagine him being able to deal with quite well while others you worry about him potentially getting beat off the dribble and not recovering. Really depends on the matchup. Overall you're right and it's unfortunate that he has a bit of an unconventional build but I'm not sure how detrimental it will be.

I think some teams will consider him in the low 1st, and it will be a guarantee contract (play him minutes). Particularly if we are a playoff team and need immediate help with a cheap contract.

Mid 1st is a bit too high for me to pick him, while high 2nd can be a 2-way contract, which would be best for a high risk high ceiling and send him to our G-League. Furthermore, I don't see Barnes being an elite rim protector where everyone wouldn't drive against us, so I don't really see the fit. This is the reason I look for defensive wing (and perhaps the reason we traded for Agbaji).

Tyson turns the ball over too much and projects as a bench SG/SF. What makes him a better prospect than Dillon Jones out of Weber State? I think Jones is at worst, a slightly better shooting Jae'Sean Tate.

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[Dalek]

Hall is one of the guys I feel strongly about, I think he's highly overrated and a DND for me.

For a bit of explanation I watched 3 full games this year TCU and both Miami FL games and came away super unimpressed. He looks decent in the condensed highlights but when you watch full games you're scratching your head sometimes at his gameplay and body language.

I will have to check out more film on him, but he did have some big games against UNC, Alabama and Duke this year. His last game against UNC he really took it to Bacot who is a strong defensive big. I will say his foul trouble takes him out of a lot of games, but I think that his game is predicated on how aggressive he is on both ends and for the most part he can help a team in a bench role.

I have to find examples of what you mean about the body language - he seems like a guy who is always fired up. I guess I haven't seen the downside.

Is PJ Hall a Luka Garza type prospect? I guess really tough for them to make it but might be a good bench depth player as a 3rd PF/C. Maybe like a Jaylin Williams or Trayce Jackson-Davis?

There are a few guys out there like him. The obvious one to me is Kelly Olynyk. He is a similar type of pick and pop big but a much better athlete than Kelly. Zach Collins is another current player with that floor stretching capability. I don't see Williams or TJD because they are not really great shooters, just undersized bigs.

Toronto has traded for KO, and signed Jontae Porter on a 2 way. I think we are going to lean towards a stretch big who can defend like Hall (he is a strong two-way player at least according to BPM and my own eye test).

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A good observation. I have a problem with a ton of guys this draft so for me the willingness and interest to defend is there which counts for a lot. I'm a guy who buys into that more than guys with measurables and "defensive potential" who really have to be prodded to move and produce on D. There are many NBA SGs SFs and PFs that I can imagine him being able to deal with quite well while others you worry about him potentially getting beat off the dribble and not recovering. Really depends on the matchup. Overall you're right and it's unfortunate that he has a bit of an unconventional build but I'm not sure how detrimental it will be.

I think some teams will consider him in the low 1st, and it will be a guarantee contract (play him minutes). Particularly if we are a playoff team and need immediate help with a cheap contract.

Mid 1st is a bit too high for me to pick him, while high 2nd can be a 2-way contract, which would be best for a high risk high ceiling and send him to our G-League. Furthermore, I don't see Barnes being an elite rim protector where everyone wouldn't drive against us, so I don't really see the fit. This is the reason I look for defensive wing (and perhaps the reason we traded for Agbaji).

Tyson turns the ball over too much and projects as a bench SG/SF. What makes him a better prospect than Dillon Jones out of Weber State? I think Jones is at worst, a slightly better shooting Jae'Sean Tate.

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Jones is a better defender, but a bit concern of him able to get to the rim. His shots are step back long 2, which may not be the best shot to take, but I guess at our pick, we will hardly find someone who can get to the rim, space the floor and defend.

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A good observation. I have a problem with a ton of guys this draft so for me the willingness and interest to defend is there which counts for a lot. I'm a guy who buys into that more than guys with measurables and "defensive potential" who really have to be prodded to move and produce on D. There are many NBA SGs SFs and PFs that I can imagine him being able to deal with quite well while others you worry about him potentially getting beat off the dribble and not recovering. Really depends on the matchup. Overall you're right and it's unfortunate that he has a bit of an unconventional build but I'm not sure how detrimental it will be.

I think some teams will consider him in the low 1st, and it will be a guarantee contract (play him minutes). Particularly if we are a playoff team and need immediate help with a cheap contract.

Mid 1st is a bit too high for me to pick him, while high 2nd can be a 2-way contract, which would be best for a high risk high ceiling and send him to our G-League. Furthermore, I don't see Barnes being an elite rim protector where everyone wouldn't drive against us, so I don't really see the fit. This is the reason I look for defensive wing (and perhaps the reason we traded for Agbaji).

Tyson turns the ball over too much and projects as a bench SG/SF. What makes him a better prospect than Dillon Jones out of Weber State? I think Jones is at worst, a slightly better shooting Jae'Sean Tate.

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The way his brain is wired, better athleticism, 1 year younger, more role player adaptability and system flexibility, documented higher efficiency in a role playing capacity, better looking deep ball with more pure makes from the field, stronger offensive rebounder and above the rim, consistently produced against much tougher competition, RSCI #31 with stronger resume, has only essentially played 2 seasons to Jones' 4, etc..

Jones went back to school because he did not impress NBA teams enough and while he did improve some and get his 3 ball % up, his schedule has been even softer than last year's and some of his metrics remained the same or are slightly down.

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I think some teams will consider him in the low 1st, and it will be a guarantee contract (play him minutes). Particularly if we are a playoff team and need immediate help with a cheap contract.

Mid 1st is a bit too high for me to pick him, while high 2nd can be a 2-way contract, which would be best for a high risk high ceiling and send him to our G-League. Furthermore, I don't see Barnes being an elite rim protector where everyone wouldn't drive against us, so I don't really see the fit. This is the reason I look for defensive wing (and perhaps the reason we traded for Agbaji).

Tyson turns the ball over too much and projects as a bench SG/SF. What makes him a better prospect than Dillon Jones out of Weber State? I think Jones is at worst, a slightly better shooting Jae'Sean Tate.

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Jones is a better defender, but a bit concern of him able to get to the rim. His shots are step back long 2, which may not be the best shot to take, but I guess at our pick, we will hardly find someone who can get to the rim, space the floor and defend.

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Jones will probably getting pro conditioning in April and May for the combine. Getting more trim will likely help his game. He isn't as doughy as a Brice Sensabaugh so not as far to go.

[Dalek]

Jones will probably getting pro conditioning in April and May for the combine. Getting more trim will likely help his game. He isn't as doughy as a Brice Sensabaugh so not as far to go.

Jones looks pretty stiff and mechanical in the way he creates. To me, he will struggle at the next level to stand out because he isn't a superior athlete and not that great at creating offense. He hasn't really shot it that well from three but this year was an improvement.
I know the numbers look good with him but he is playing in the Big Sky Conference so I think they are a bit inflated.

Regarding Jaylon Tyson, I just see a different type of player. More of scorer/playmaking wing. Looking at stats, D1 college players with:

Dunks ≥ 20
3PM ≥ 36
AST% ≥ 20

Devin Carter, Jaylon Tyson. Both players are very comparable to each other. Carter is often the guy at 17-20 range, and I don't see why Tyson can't be in the same conversation given he is 6'7 versus 6'3 for Carter. I do think I would love Tyson at 31 versus burning 17 on Carter, although we have a long way to go with March and then the draft process.

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Hard not to absolutely love him. I have no doubt he genuinely loves basketball, his intangibles are very high. Doubted by high school team and Longhorns and carried a D1 team on his shoulders against good competition multiple times this season with little help. Will live in the gym. Gives you great confidence there's a lot more development ahead.

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Jones will probably getting pro conditioning in April and May for the combine. Getting more trim will likely help his game. He isn't as doughy as a Brice Sensabaugh so not as far to go.

Jones looks pretty stiff and mechanical in the way he creates. To me, he will struggle at the next level to stand out because he isn't a superior athlete and not that great at creating offense. He hasn't really shot it that well from three but this year was an improvement.
I know the numbers look good with him but he is playing in the Big Sky Conference so I think they are a bit inflated.

Regarding Jaylon Tyson, I just see a different type of player. More of scorer/playmaking wing. Looking at stats, D1 college players with:

Dunks ≥ 20
3PM ≥ 36
AST% ≥ 20

Devin Carter, Jaylon Tyson. Both players are very comparable to each other. Carter is often the guy at 17-20 range, and I don't see why Tyson can't be in the same conversation given he is 6'7 versus 6'3 for Carter. I do think I would love Tyson at 31 versus burning 17 on Carter, although we have a long way to go with March and then the draft process.

Jones puts up 5 assists and less turnovers than Tyson. Tyson reminds me of a younger Jordan Miller.

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On Tyson last year at Texas Tech:

"Synergy graded him within the 90th percentile (Excellent) on catch-and-shoot plays. On guarded shots, he was in the 80th percentile (Very Good), and was in the 82nd percentile (Very Good) when left open."

"When working off of cutting plays, Jaylon was ranked in the 97th percentile (Excellent)."

"Jaylon was in the 80th percentile (Very Good) in overall defense."

[Dalek]

Jones will probably getting pro conditioning in April and May for the combine. Getting more trim will likely help his game. He isn't as doughy as a Brice Sensabaugh so not as far to go.

Jones looks pretty stiff and mechanical in the way he creates. To me, he will struggle at the next level to stand out because he isn't a superior athlete and not that great at creating offense. He hasn't really shot it that well from three but this year was an improvement.
I know the numbers look good with him but he is playing in the Big Sky Conference so I think they are a bit inflated.

Regarding Jaylon Tyson, I just see a different type of player. More of scorer/playmaking wing. Looking at stats, D1 college players with:

Dunks ≥ 20
3PM ≥ 36
AST% ≥ 20

Devin Carter, Jaylon Tyson. Both players are very comparable to each other. Carter is often the guy at 17-20 range, and I don't see why Tyson can't be in the same conversation given he is 6'7 versus 6'3 for Carter. I do think I would love Tyson at 31 versus burning 17 on Carter, although we have a long way to go with March and then the draft process.

Jones puts up 5 assists and less turnovers than Tyson. Tyson reminds me of a younger Jordan Miller.

You know who he reminds me of, David Roddy who was a similar athletic 3-4 who offered playmaking and rebounding with some solid scoring. I guess I could see some team taking him based on the physical profile. It is just tough for a lot of tweener guys to transition to an off-ball role and stick in the NBA.

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KOC has a comp that makes some sense for Tyler Smith - Charlie Villanueva.

I'd say something like having a rich man's Charlie V upside which is a nice player. I'd still take a good look what else is there before zoning in on that but the reality is that Smith will probably be a lottery pick come June and unavailable regardless with Pacers pick.

[PhilBlackson]

With how well guys are reading each other on the court and showing some bball IQ makes me tempted to take a home run swing on Hansen Yang. I know we now have 2 competent Cs but both are older, will likely be gone within 3 years and don’t have Yang’s upside. Not to mention we could always use a C like that moving forward which would be the next 8+ years if we draft him.

I’m not saying he’s the Chinese Sengun but damn his game reminds me of him (albeit on obv a lower level of competition).

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KOC has a comp that makes some sense for Tyler Smith - Charlie Villanueva.

I'd say something like having a rich man's Charlie V upside which is a nice player. I'd still take a good look what else is there before zoning in on that but the reality is that Smith will probably be a lottery pick come June and unavailable regardless with Pacers pick.

Smith is 6'11, is that without shoes? Charlie was what 6'10 in shoes? So a PF/C version of CV and it looks like he's trying all the avenues available for him to getting better. Charlie was more like Ben Simmons with their drive for basketball.

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With how well guys are reading each other on the court and showing someone bball IQ makes me tempted to take a home run swing on Hansen Yang. I know we now have 2 competent Cs but both are older, will likely be gone within 3 years and don’t have Yang’s upside. Not to mention we could always use a C like that moving forward which would be the next 8+ years if we draft him.

I’m not saying he’s the Chinese Sengun but damn his game reminds me of him (albeit on obv a lower level of competition).

I would definitely gamble on Zvonimir Ivisic at #31 instead of Yang.

[PhilBlackson]

With how well guys are reading each other on the court and showing someone bball IQ makes me tempted to take a home run swing on Hansen Yang. I know we now have 2 competent Cs but both are older, will likely be gone within 3 years and don’t have Yang’s upside. Not to mention we could always use a C like that moving forward which would be the next 8+ years if we draft him.

I’m not saying he’s the Chinese Sengun but damn his game reminds me of him (albeit on obv a lower level of competition).

I would definitely gamble on Zvonimir Ivisic at #31 instead of Yang.

I’m willing to gamble on either of them tbh. But they look to me like they have the most upside around our pick and considering it’s supposed to be a bad draft, might as well roll the dice a little bit. But if either develop and pan out right they. could be serious steals.

[BoyzNTheHood]

People were telling me how superior rookie bench warmer Kobe (not Bryant) Bufkin was to him.

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Johnny Furphy with the Pacers pick

[Mark_83]

With how well guys are reading each other on the court and showing someone bball IQ makes me tempted to take a home run swing on Hansen Yang. I know we now have 2 competent Cs but both are older, will likely be gone within 3 years and don’t have Yang’s upside. Not to mention we could always use a C like that moving forward which would be the next 8+ years if we draft him.

I’m not saying he’s the Chinese Sengun but damn his game reminds me of him (albeit on obv a lower level of competition).

Good call. Darko's system seems to call for a playmaking big who can also shoot (*cough* Jokic) so I can see the front office looking to develop a guy like that to replace Yak and KO. Yang would fit that mold, and so would Ivisic and Avilla.

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Johnny Furphy with the Pacers pick

He won't get out of lottery.

[ArthurVandelay]

Johnny Furphy with the Pacers pick

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